Now that the dust has settled, what does Sup Forums think about abortion?

Now that the dust has settled, what does Sup Forums think about abortion?

I don't think people who find it morally permissible to kill their unborn children should reproduce.

Problem solves itself.

If you abort the baby, it wins

Use birth control

Prevent unwanted pregnancies

Pro-choice is pro-white. Put an abortion clinic outside every payday loan and pawn shop desu senpai.

Murdering unborn babies is fucked up. Super fucked up. Little fuckers can't even defend themselves? What kind of sick fuck do you have to be?

I don't tell this view to people because its most likely not well received, but in my opinion, you should have a license to have children. I would argue, you need license for driving, for hunting/fishing, for all sorts of fucking shit which is much much less important than creating life, having a child and raising it.

Let me re-phrase that. It should be ILLEGAL to have a baby, without being approved first. And if you FAIL TO COMPLY with the law, your tubes should be tied, nuts cut, whatever the fuck. You are done. You knew the law, and you fucked up. No kids for you dumbass.

Anyone who thinks abortion is wrong needs to go live in a manufacturing city in northern China.

This earth is overpopulated and the consequences are coming.

It's hypocrisy to pretend to care about a clueless unthinking fetus while not caring enough about actual people suffering due to too many "consumers" consuming and making waste everywhere

I always think it's funny how the only people who care about overpopulation and the suffering of peoples halfway around the globe are white.

You can fret about the poor pygmy children all you like, the world will move on without you.

China recently repealed their "1 child only" policy due to plumeting birthrates. They, unlike Japan, understand the importance of a new generation of people.

>That never happened
And it never would have happened. All aborted babies would have been born to unwed whores, who obviously aren't smart. No unlucky bastard born to an unwed braindead whore could ever amount to something that great.
>Source: born out of wedlock to a quadroon single mom, she's a democratic socialist

I don't think it should be encouraged, but I don't think it should be vilified either. We should simply realistically portray what happens in an abortion and remind people that there are better options, like Plan B, condoms, birth control, a vasectomy, or having your tubes tied.

The reason I'm kinda hedging here is that while I believe people should have respect for life, there are too many problems that require our financial attention, and too large a population, to simply say "Have your baby and put him up for adoption", not to mention the fact that adoption has been shown to have serious psychological consequences down the line. Saying "Just don't have kids until you're ready" is all well and good, but accidents happen and sometimes people change their mind or encounter new circumstances. "Just wait to have kids until you're ready" doesn't account for that.

Remember the stock market crash? I'm sure there were a number of couples who got screwed because they lost their jobs and their assets and then had kids even though they couldn't support them. Having an abortion could've helped them enormously, and at the end of the day we have to be realistic and practical about this. Saying "Don't kill the babies!" is great from a moralistic standpoint, but moralism doesn't solve problems (that's not to say it creates them), it just makes people feel good. We're willing to say "Bomb 'em all" and "Send 'em back", but not "Abort 'em", but why do we draw the line there? Our goal is a healthy, prosperous society with the best preservation of life we can achieve. Legal abortion with a strong emphasis on contraceptives first is our best bet to achieve that.

Good way to get rid of NIGGERS

Well yeah but consider this: China is a polluted and toxic wasteland and maybe we should strive to be better than them rather than saying "They don't give a fuck about population control, so why should we?"

This I am only pro abortion because there would be so many liabilities of the state if it wasn't a thing.

Abortion is based as fuck.

Not a black and white issue. There are times when it should be ok and not ok.

OK
Woman gets raped and doesn't want to raise the disgusting rape baby. This obviously could be abused by women who just cry rape so they get an abortion but the general idea is ok.

NOT OK
woman has consensual unprotected sex and gets pregnant. Too fucking bad no abortion for you.

Overpopulation is an issue, but instead of just killing unborn children, you could, you know, not have sex?

Ban for whites only

It's not moral, but it's a necessary evil.

>provides stem cells for medical research
>kills niggers before they can do any damage

>This

Christcucks still don't realize that abortions are basically letting the trash take itself out

I'm pro choice for subhumans

You know usually when one people strives to be better than another people they actually do things to make themselves better instead of killing themselves off while masturbating over how awesome they are.

If you really do think we are better then them then logically you should be trying to outbreed them.

>Too fucking bad no abortion for you.
So we force someone to have a child they don't care about who will probably grow up with one shitty parent just to avoid triggering you?

Yeah, but when they DO have sex then we have nothing to help in that regard.

Consider it from a military standpoint: abortion is the last line of defense against overpopulation. If you're a general, are you going to say "We won't post any patrols around our base, we'll just fight the enemy off? Even if they break through, we just have to make our attacking forces stronger to compensate."

It is significantly easier and in the long run much more effective and safe to simply say "Okay, abort your kids".

Okay, so what do you do with the kid? If the mother doesn't want him, she'll resent him for his entire life and fuck him up mentally. If she sends him to an adoption service, he'll be even more fucked up mentally.

And no, your answer can't be "Just don't have sex", I want an actual fucking solution that you have.

This. Way to think friend.

Yeah but the reason we think we're better than them is because we're NOT trying to outbreed them.

This is like saying "If you think you're SOOOO much better than the Nazis, why aren't you invading other countries to prove it?" You're fundamentally missing the point of why we think we're better.

Christcuckholdry thrives on populous, poor, uneducated societies (the kind which a lack of legal means to abort always lead to).

there is a concept called body autonomy. Its generally considered a human right. Bodily autonomy means a person has control over who or what uses their body, for what, and for how long. Its why you can’t be forced to donate blood, tissue, or organs. Even if you are dead. Even if you’d save or improve 20 lives. It’s why someone can’t touch you, have sex with you, or use your body in any way without your continuous consent.
A fetus is using someone’s body parts. Therefore under bodily autonomy, it is there by permission, not by right. It needs a persons continuous consent. If they deny and withdraw their consent, the pregnant person has the right to remove them from that moment. A fetus is equal in this regard because if I need someone else’s body parts to live, they can also legally deny me their use.
By saying a fetus has a right to someone’s body parts until it’s born, despite the pregnant person’s wishes, you are doing two things.
1. Granting a fetus more rights to other people’s bodies than any born person.
2. Awarding a pregnant person less rights to their body than a corpse.

sex before marriage and having abortions readily available and encouraged means people have sex without thinking of the consequences. There would be lots less unwanted children if there was a lot more stigma around sex out of wedlock and abortions which we used to have and abandoned to the new slut culture. I'm not saying ban abortions outright, rape babies/threat to mothers life should be allowed of course, but if we allow them for everything easily, then idiots are gonna keep getting knocked up withput thinking.

The government should put free-of-charge abortion clinics in every minority neighborhood.

Extend rights to men to be able to abort children if they do not wish to have them.

If women are allowed to skirt responsibility then men should be allowed to as well. Don't like that idea? Ban abortion then.

only retards that want feminists to run wild and rave traitors think it's ok or even benefitting

>overpopulation lolololol

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Yeah, the reason we abandoned the promotion of that stigma was that it didn't fucking work. All it resulted in was an over-class and an under-class, the latter of which was used to the stigma and didn't care anymore, and the former of which actually obeyed the social standard.

Literally the only situation where you can actually make this work is if you do what Saudi Arabia did and make sex out of wedlock illegal and punishable by death or imprisonment.

Children are objectively bad.

Grandmummy Hillary says it's good. It keeps the niggers from out breeding us.

Don't reply to the bait you fucking moron.

>Unironically advocating want the filthy globalist satanists want
Go fuck your self you Rothschild knob noshed.

I don't know about America but here after abortion was legalized and attitudes towards it liberalised abortion per 1000 women has moved from 5.3 to 16.9 from that statistics I can find, so it seemed to work somewhat

Have you heard of adoption?

>post-conception "contraceptive"

Stop having sex, you fucking retard.

moloch sacrifice

well i dont mind if its first 3 or 4 months when its literally not alive

Your logic only holds your axioms define fetus as nonhuman entities, otherwise it's paradoxical.

easy to say for middle age perm virgins

>Yeah but the reason we think we're better than them is because we're NOT trying to outbreed them.

Again, self-congratulating masturbation is not a differentiating quality.

Wall

Not everyone is so obsessed with muh dick so much that they have to kill children to satisfy themselves

It is a paradox. You either give more rights to a bundle of cells that is arguably human, than to an indisputable human, or the other way around.

You cant legislate on abortion without dehumanizing preggo women OR the fetus.


SHART

Nobody does it though. For some reason I don't understand. If everyone who wanted a kid would adopt one instead of having it themselves because muh genes, the world would be a better place.

It appears as though people underestimate the social damage state-sponsored abortions can aggravate. Take a defined group of people and change their organizational structure, traditionally the family unit, and they are no longer indistinguishable members of a society of people, they are bound to a different developmental pattern, and this causes instability. Take the niggers in america for instance, where ~70% of children are born to single mothers, and it is no wonder they're seem incompatible with our current social norms.

Brits are notoriously timid, have you ever considered maybe they just weren't reporting their abortions?

Abortion is great. It should be the norm.

You really going to let the Indians play you like that? I knew you guys were useful idiots for cartels, Democrats, and your white ruling class but I didn't realize you'd do the same for people half a world away.

>That moment when the depressive personality trait you inherited from your maternal line flares up and allows you to believe this comment for a moment.
Considering depressive personalities and idealism without consider the facts are both genetic traits it might be a good idea to let this whole abortion thing just genocide their communities.

>depressive personality trait you inherited from your maternal line flares up

kek I get that too

It's part of the reason I have zero desire to reproduce

The only way society could avoid this ethical conundrum is to remove the power of decision from the state, leaving it to the moral consciousness of the individual.

pro choice in all cases

>children are bad mmkay
>tosses fetus into sacrificial flames for kike magic

wew

>MUH BAITO

>niggers

abortion actually made crime go down in nigmerica on the 90s.

plus legalized, regulated abortion doesn't need to mean trivial abortion. screenings, orientation and psych evaluation all are part of the system.

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MART

It's because adoption causes seriously psychological issues. Mammals and species with higher-level thinking skills imprint on their mother figure. In adoption or foster care they're either separated from their imprinted mother when entering the system, or when leaving it, which results either way in psychological damage.

That's not to say they're not or never loving people and children, but they will never develop the same bond with an adopted parent that they did or would have with a biological parent.

There are situations like rapes or medical issues where I don't mind it, but the current culture is sickeningly frivolous about extinguishing human life. All the semantic games are pathetic.

I also inherited a psychotic possessive trait from my father's side so I don't have that problem.
>Women suggests she might have abortion.
>Lock her in the basement for 9 months.
Fortunately this particular scenario has never had to be put to the test.

I really dislike abortion and I'd be against it under most circumstances. However, if it wasn't for abortion in the USA the dependent black population would be way higher.

I think we should take Enoch's idea regarding payment for sterilisation. Stopping the people with high time preference reproducing. Subsequently we could then ban abortion and the increase in dependants would be way less.

Anyone know if it would be legal for a private company (maybe crowd funded or something) to offer degenerated $1000 to sterilise theirselves.

this desu

should be instantly available

Killing babies is a lot better than forcing them to have a shitty life. In fact it's unethical to force a baby to be born to parents who will never love them or want them. Chances are they'll get neglected or abused, if it's caught then they grow up in foster care which is arguably the same or worse.

Degenerates**** also I posted this with no proxy- how fucked am I?

>Woman says that she can't afford a kid right now.
>Police come arrest her and take her to the hospital then force the abortion.
How instantly available?

You're not you fucking retard, how self-important do you have to be to think the government gives a damn what you post?

That's already a thing you absolute fucking tardbag. It's called a vasectomy.

0% fucked. Increased rates of sterilization was part of the government's plan.
Ironically it was easier to convince people to murder babies instead of disabling their ability to make babies.

Anyway your argument is bullshit. You have no right to claim your body is being invaded by something that you caused to be there. It's like inviting your neighbor to your house and shooting him as soon as he walks in the door. You don't get to claim castle doctrine then.

Note that I'm not against abortion and I really don't care if/when feminists try to rationalize their bullshit using that line of reasoning, but honestly I expected better from you, even if you are a dirty, smelly spic who gets played by Indians and feminist women.

Your the fucking tard- there are no private companies that go round paying women and men to get sterilised.

Israel tried it doing it for free and they got told they were committing genocide so they stopped.

the person you invite into your home doesnt need your metabolism and circulatory system to live

also the invitation is a conscious action, and pregnancy can happen whether it is intended to happen or not, even if the sexual act was against the woman's own will

find better analogies, orlistatman

However, the instant you invite either one "in", you are fully aware of the terms in which these interactions are to play out, therefore, the analogy applies.

>you are fully aware of the terms in which these interactions are to play out

not always and sometimes the situation is forced upon the woman

underage pregnancies (under 15) are equally as as often due to abuse, carelessness and ignorance.

carelessness can be ruled out as a valid motive to seek abortion, and with age/education, ignorance can be ruled out as well. but that still leaves abuse

Of course, those of whom cannot be implied consent or consciousness of action and consequence, here represented by our legal systems, are exempted from the rule. Ignorance, on the other hand, of the human reproductive process cannot possibly be professed, for even the most rudimentary societies knew that penis+vagina=baby.

I would agree with you if these were pre legalization/post legalization but the first figure was 2 years after legalization, and abortions are reported by the clinic which performs them I believe, not self reported.

The claim that abortions made crime rate decline is highly controversial, and attempts to replicate Levitt's results have failed miserably.

Reminder again that abortion has killed tens of millions of blacks here in the USA.

The most dangerous place for a black kid is in its mothers womb.