Ten Differences between Catholics and Orthodox

Ten differences between Orthodox and Catholicism.

1. Orthodox reject inheritability of sin. Death and suffering are human nature, we only don't suffer them when partaking in perfect synergism with God's energies, which we haven't since the fall.

2. The Orthodox reject the "satisfaction theory of atonement". The Orthodox subscribe to "Christus Victor" (the idea of atonement illustrated in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe).

3. Hell in Orthodoxy is not separation from God. Hell, like heaven, is experiencing the full radiance of God's light and presence, but with a negative relationship so that it is like fire.

4. The Orthodox reject the idea that our understanding of dogma develops. The idea is to keep the exact same understanding the Apostles have, invented terminology is not meant to develop the understanding, but to PROTECT it from being "developed".

5. Catholics define usury as excessive interest, Orthodox define usury as any interest.

6. The Orthodox reject the Catholic idea of supererogation.

7. The Orthodox reject Purgatory. The Orthodox do, however, distinguish Sheol (called "Hades" in Greek) from Gehenna.

8. Orthodoxy places enormous emphasis on fasting, in fact more than half the days of the year involve some sort of fast. And there are even some days which are total fasts, no intake, period. Two consistent fast days (almost every Wednesday and Friday, no meat, dairy, eggs, fish, oils or wine) trace back at least to the Didache.

9. Orthodox draw most of their priests from the married laity, but most of their bishops from monks.

10. Infants can and do receive Holy Communion.

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No one cares which version of (((Christianity))) is more authenticly Jewish. All Abrahamic religions need to be destroyed.

sage

Nothing wrong with ancient Judaism, just with modern Judaism (Phariseeism).

Ancient paganism is awful. Orgies and penis worship and intoxication.

>Orgies and penis worship and intoxication
>awful
...Not seeing the downside, fag.

Then you're on the wrong board

You mean the board full of MRAs? How is penis worship opposed to their cause? And the only ones opposed to drinking and sex on this board are envious socially-retarded virgins.

What's wrong with being a virgin?

Who is your favorite Canadian?

As a man? Everything.

George Grant

What if I'm not a man?

But what's wrong with being a virgin?

Fuck off, take your jewish sand god back to desert .

respek

Culture cannot cohesively function without a common, non-relative touchstone for art, music, philosophy, morality, and so on. It breaks down and becomes purely about satiating baseness.

>God can be negative.
>God is omnibenevolent.

Well, I would expect nothing less from a heresy.

You lack the ancient Roman virtue of virility. If you can't attract women you are by definition a reject of evolution.

>virtue of virility
Manliness of man likeness?

Very informative, but what exactly did you want to say?

...What the hell are you talking about?

Benevolence is negative if you have a negative relationship with it.

I don't think the ancient Romans judged virtue by the opinion of women, desu. But imho, a virgin male is much more attractive provided he isn't a slob or sick in the head

So Orthodox reject all usury.... Jews BTFO

I've started to consider orthodoxy after almost 7 years of atheism and despair, but recently I mustered the courage to go to an orthodox church and I was so fucking disappointing, the "priest" had no voice, barely managed to mutter a "h-hi" I'm not kidding you, and next to the church was a shop where they sold icons ALONG WITH SOVIET UNION HATS WHAT THE FUCK.

>Not only in Psalm 15:5 is this teaching found. It is a fundamental principle throughout the Word of God. In Exodus (22:25), Leviticus (25:37), and Deuteronomy (23:19) the charging of interest on loans is forbidden. Prophets like Ezekiel (18:13, 22:12) thundered against usury. Charging interest is clearly and strictly forbidden by God.
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>Business expectations in lending, often ghostly becomes more profitable than the production of tangible goods. In this regard, it must be remembered about the moral ambiguity of the situation, when money is "make" new money without the application of human labor. Declaring credit sphere to be the main engine of the economy, its predominance over the real economic sector comes into conflict with the moral principles, reveled by God condemning usury.
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Reminder that paganshits and fedora-tier atheits are not welcome on Sup Forums

>Debt is usury and usury is enslavement, and enslavement is always a source of evil. Therefore, debt is always to be avoided as far as possible; at best it can only be a temporary necessary evil. Usury was and is forbidden by the Church. Catholicism, which for many centuries kept much of the heritage of the Church from the first millennium, forbade usury until the late 18th century.

events.orthodoxengland.org.uk/tag/usury/

>Dmitri Lubomudrov, the Orthodox Church’s legal adviser told the media at that time, “We realized we couldn’t stay dependent on the Western financial system, but must develop our own. As with the Islamic system, the Orthodox one will be based not just on legislation, but on Orthodox morality as well, and will be an invitation to businessmen seeking security at a time of crisis.” Among its features would be interest-free credit issuance and prohibition of investment in gambling casinos or such activities going against Church moral values.

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The Catholic Church is the only way, Texas

Unexpected answer

What did you expect, a Orthodox church that doesn't suck in fucking Chile?

If you want to experience proper Orthodoxy, visit Greece, Russia or Serbia.

Never mind, you're pointing out the etymology. It makes sense in English, waffle.
It's not women's opinion, but their instinctive attraction to masculine traits which is demonstrated by their willingness to reproduce with a man. I have no problem with people who voluntarily choose to be virgins and actually have had chances to have sex, but most people on this board and really every board on this site like to claim to choose to be virgins when in reality they are just completely undesirable as partners.

youtu.be/80PTwFFTgvk

I made an etymological joke... Noting your pleonasm.

Nvm....

I guess it's a crummy parish. The guy who subs for my priest has no voice either. Great guy, but no voice. The regular priest had a great voice. I'd just try another parish if you can, if not, well, then go with that one.

I'd notify the bishop if the hats have soviet insignia though, he'd want to know.

Wow, and i though Orthodoxy is all about cooler clothes, beards, nice chorals and better lithurgies. I can tell you with 100% certainity 99,99% of Russian Orthodox christians dont care or even know about any of the points listed.

Virtue comes from the latin word virtus, which meant the roman form of manliness.

You know you can post about Orthodoxy without spamming Canadian user.

That said point 3 seems like something that would create a form of unilateralism amoungst all faithful Christians and possibly even heathens.

Orthobros, proddies are the main problem, not Catholics. So focus on them.

see:Figured it out, thanks.

>sold icons ALONG WITH SOVIET UNION HATS WHAT THE FUCK.
Is there a problem?

Anyone is welcome on Sup Forums, you cultist fuck.

There are plenty of good parishes here, you don't know what you're talking about.

Romans did not judge virtue based on how attractive you are, full stop. They based it on things like courage. If courage made you more attractive to women, all the better, but women attractiveness was never considered an indicator, since outside of their wives, most Roman men only banged prostitutes or slaves. Ovid wrote about seducing married women, and Augustine exiled him for it because he saw it as detrimental to Roman morality.

Daily reminder that Athiests are the biggest cucks on planet earth.

>I got that book
Actually, he got exiled because he (Ovid) banged a female member of his family. =^)

That's probably because it's mainly ethnic there. Over here, more and more people who are just in it for ethnic reasons are leaving, whereas converts are becoming more dominant, and converts are extremely knowledgeable and serious, since conversion is generally a pain. The Antiochian Church is particularly full of converts, so full they only have the services in English now, at least over here

>muh magic sky fairy

protestants are fucking degenerates.

>if I accept jesus into my heart then I can do no wrong. God loves me.

*Augustus, I mean

Maybe, but Augustus was very serious about keeping morality in check, that's why he had the Aeneid written, and why he exiled his own daughter.

Liberal ones particularly, why is the RCC trying to cozy up with the liberal denominations more than the staunch ones?

So you're an expert on Roman history and mores but confuse Augustinus with Augustus? Hm...

I'll mention just one similarity, they are both wrong.

Shit, you beat me to it. Touche.

>I'll mention just one similarity, they are both wrong.

youtu.be/Q-lYOWtSFYI
>"Christianity is religion of alcoholics and prostitutes"
>"Religion of animals"

Btw, Catholic church is all about Satanism.

Protestantism is just Catholicism taken to extremes.

I'm not an expert, but I do know as much as I've said

I didn't conflate them in my head, it was a typo

Can I get a response on your point 3 issue

>Ancient paganism is awful. Orgies and penis worship and intoxication.
So, just like Greek Week at your local university, or Mardi Gras in New Orleans? You sand nigger fetishists sure are oblivious to the way things are.

Protestants are better.

No. Protestants are basically atheists

The fact that lithurgies are in ancient Russian or even Greek, doesnt help much.

From what i seen Protestanism and Catholicism are pretty much about Preaching to people, which Orthodoxy does have too - but Orthodoxy is very superstitutious and ritualistic (even if most of those superstitutions arent supported by Church). The appeal of Ritual is nice, but overall its by no means modern religion - though thats part of its appeal.

>So, just like Greek Week at your local university, or Mardi Gras in New Orleans? You sand nigger fetishists sure are oblivious to the way things are.

Those would be fine examples of modern paganism.

The idea that all will be reconciled is something we encourage hoping for, but whether it will happen is not something we know and it is wrong to claim to know.

i like number 4

Allow me to clarify: Protestantism takes all the worst elements of Catholic scholasticism and throws them into a situation where every man is his own authority wrt interpretation of the faith. Catholics and Protestants have a very bad habit of overthinking the faith, whereas the Orthodox are content to let God remain mysterious, as we cannot comprehend Him anyway.

In Sweden??

Traditionalists are the meat and potatoes of our converts here. Either Catholics who feel like the Catholic Church is getting too modernists, or Protestants who want to go back to the early Church and do a lot of research and it leads them to Orthodoxy. We've converted whole churches full of Protestants to Orthodoxy. People come to the Church because, as you've said, it's not modernist.

i can't trust any religion anymore. i mean, which one is the truest one ? which one has the real heaven ? i can't ask anyone, it will always be biased.

We still hate faggots and mudslimes like you to the max, so obviously we're the real religion and if you dont think so then you're a cathocuck, proddie, mudslime or a kike.

You could at least try coming to an Orthodox service

>The idea that all will be reconciled is something we encourage hoping for, but whether it will happen is not something we know and it is wrong to claim to know.

So there is no real reason to join your Church then so long as you love God? After all if you love him his love in the afterlife will be bliss.

>is not something we know
As in we can never be 100% or more of a case of none of the Church Fathers or bible contained info on this.

>in fact more than half the days of the year involve some sort of fast.

bullshit

>not Catholics

Look at the current Pope in Vatican.

Look at the shit he spouts.

Are there even Orthodox Churches in indonesia?

>So there is no real reason to join your Church then so long as you love God?

We can't answer for God as to what happens on the last day. We can only objectively state "these are the things that the church teaches, this is the church" or "This is not what the church teaches, this is not the church"

Anything else is sheer arrogance.

>Protestantism takes all the worst elements of Catholic scholasticism and throws them into a situation where every man is his own authority wrt interpretation of the faith.

Protestantism began as basically Martin luthers rejection of scholasticism, though.

the things we disagree with Catholics on are by and large issues derived from scholasticism.

>stuff way to minor
I'll just go with not all that different...

drifted appart because barbarians, and later mudslimes cut of comunications

>this indonesian is confused about religion
>of course he's a muslim !

>
We can't answer for God as to what happens on the last day. We can only objectively state "these are the things that the church teaches, this is the church" or "This is not what the church teaches, this is not the church"

When you start reaching that kind of skepticism you cant really say your are the Gods Church but a Church which you hope is Gods.

>protestants are better.

that settles it, sweedes actually like getting raped

How things will be for you, we can't say. One is supposed to see all others as innocent, but oneself as a grave sinner to be condemned. You're supposed to worry about yourself; you can worry about your family as a father, your flock as a priest, your disciples as an elder, and so on, but those are specific contests. We don't presume you know what's going to happen with you.

friendsofindonesia.org/

>Protestantism began as basically Martin luthers rejection of scholasticism, though.

On the surface, but his arguments and teachings all heavily rely on underlying assumptions of scholasticism.

>the things we disagree with Catholics on are by and large issues derived from scholasticism.

Things that are replaced by your own scholasticism, your own tradition. Not the tradition of the church.

>skepticism

It's skepticism to not presume to speak for God? God does what God wants. We can't control God, and any attempt to say to someone "you are certainly damned to hell" is vanity.

>Assyrian Church of the East
>Bro tier
They literally venerate Nestorius as a saint in their Liturgy. I can't believe you established Communion with some of them completely ignoring that they do this.

Unity is important, but not at that price.

>3. Hell in Orthodoxy is not separation from God. Hell, like heaven, is experiencing the full radiance of God's light and presence, but with a negative relationship so that it is like fire.
I'm curious. How would an atheist who doesn't necessarily hate God (just not believe) perceive this? Would he be able to, when proven wrong after dying, go "Oh, I was wrong. Sorry God. I accept your love"? Would it still be terrible then?

Implying there is a difference.

>How things will be for you, we can't say. One is supposed to see all others as innocent, but oneself as a grave sinner to be condemned. You're supposed to worry about yourself; you can worry about your family as a father, your flock as a priest, your disciples as an elder, and so on, but those are specific contests. We don't presume you know what's going to happen with you.

I wasnt talking about myself more so than your Churches ability to claim to represent Gods will and teachings. You just ignored my question entirely.

>friendsofindonesia.org/
Thats interesting, do you have any litergy videos being conducted in Asian/ non European languages?

>don't back the cults
and avoid spinoffs, they just start pandering to gain widespread popularity...watered down get you the lesbian bishop bending over for mudslimes

>It's skepticism to not presume to speak for God? God does what God wants. We can't control God, and any attempt to say to someone "you are certainly damned to hell" is vanity.

By your reasoning saying our "church certainly follows the will of Christ is vanity"

The only true church is the Assyrian Church of the East

We teach what God taught, which is not to presume how another will be judged, but to focus on yourself. Concerning things not taught by God, we strongly discourage any theological speculation.

youtube.com/watch?v=LbJ7wDBW6ZQ

Well first thing you have to figure out is how you would measure truth.

Hence you need to figure out "what evidence or experiences do I need to determine if something is true"

Then you start applying that to the various religions

We say that our church follows the teachings of the Apostles. It's assumed that that is the will of Christ, but individual churches have abused their power in the past, so even that isn't a given.

We work toward our own salvation instead of looking for the damnation of others.

I hope my "Judaism" there you don't mean what "Judaism" is used to mean today (Phariseeism).

Christ told us what his will is. He did not tell us what your fate is.

They're Nestorians

>We teach what God taught, which is not to presume how another will be judged, but to focus on yourself. Concerning things not taught by God, we strongly discourage any theological speculation.

Well by your own admission you cant say that with certainty, your church only teaches what tradition has chosen, preserved or altered and nothing more. To go beyond that you are falling into that problem of vanity and having knowledge which you dont actually have.

GTFO nestorian heretic.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism

sounds awfully protestant, mudslime, or Mormon. where the whole Christ divinity starts getting blurred

Die ukr gnom

Wtf, it's older than everything else. Literally built on the teachings of st. Thomas.

My Church considers faith in Christ to be about direct experience of him, so we can know Christ for certain. If you are asking whether we can know whether or not the Church's teachings are his, if Christ is God, and founded a single school to teach his spirituality, would he let it fall into error when he promised he never would?

Catholic church is about the holy sacrifice of the Eucharist just like orthodoxy. The point of contention is who should lead the church

Heritic? It came before all.