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There's a new one born every minute.

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it really fucking sucks, it will send a bad message to Europe because this is what Merkel will be doing "non-violent illegal aliens be allowed to remain in the Europe after paying X amount of fines"

it flies in the face of Trumps talk about nations, what would stop anyone from going to the united states, overstay and just pay a fine, stay there forever.

it's just paying fines, it's just cash, the borders are gone, USA is gone if that is the mentality

a thousand Chinese businessmen looking at this gleefully, if this is how Trump is going handle immigration, while in the past you would get thrown out, you can just go there for a neverending vacation, buy all the land and property up and pay a little fine, they are non-violent afterall.

He was planning to let them back in all along, he just wanted to make them go back to their country because that's what his wife said she legally had to do. But then he found out she only had to do that because she was abusing a tourist visa.

TRUMP HAS BETRAYED US ALL.

You can't win if not enough people support your policies. How was Cruz, who said he is going to deport every single illegal, planning to win if he was the nominee?

He did have support, that's how he won the Republican primary. Its just that not many voters in the general election are as down with the deporting.

That's what I meant. How was Cruz going to pull this deportation policy off in the general election?

[Citation needed]

He wouldn't have been able to either. Despite what you see on Sup Forums, the policy doesn't have much support outside of the extreme right wing base. Cruz is stupid for saying "haha see i told you guys he wouldn't really do it"

What i find funny is that people are willing to drop Trump over this when far more than a bunch of fucking stupid spics are on the line. For fuck sake if Clinton wins she will just give amnesty, sanctuary cities will be here still, our border will be thrown open and we will get fucked 6 ways to sunday

Cause Trump is a lying scumbag who sold down the river his loyal base that's been dragging his retarded ass across the finish line because they actually supported his policies and not his giant orange ego?

Hispanics are not going to vote for him, no way in hell. This can only hurt him.

Opposed to more lying scumbags who already did that and will literally throw your rights away? Are you fucking retarded? Look at our other option you braindead piece of shit

he's evolving you pleb, getting stronger and more intelligent each second.

if he goes back on this i really dont see the difference between trump and clinton. bet hes going to embrace the federal reserve and foreign interference on politics too, literally why not if hes already changed his mind on immigration.

well it was nice to be free of despair and apathy for a little bit, guess i can thank trump for that

I mean you can call him a retard if you want, but Trump really does come off as not genuine with this pivot. His primary voters really did stick it through with him despite his fuckups.

>CTR
Low energy post, friend

Objectively speaking, Clinton would make immigration 1000 times worse. At least trumps new position is to enforce the existing law. Obama doesn't enforce the existing law and Clinton wants to get rid of the law.

Seems like your the faggot who can't get over the personalities on the television.

Trump has shown in the Khan blowup and now throwing his base under the bus that he doesn't give a shit about anyone but Trump.

Fucking hell they're ILLEGAL, even our left wing multi culti sjw party ran on a platform of opposing ILLEGAL immigration at our last election

That being said, im super mad at trump and lost a lot of respect for him over this. Pisses me off.

But i hope he wins because hes still the best option.

Id vote for him if i was a burger.

>(((Levin))), the head anti trumper
>Makes an anti trump article
Why color me a nigger

Wrong. Jeb was going to give amnesty and no wall.

>Khan
Shill detected

No he's legitimizing legalization as his opening position. He already lied for the last year. So his scumbaggery is fully established. Voting for this traitor is the most Cuckservative thing you could possibly do.

Nigger this entire thread is a shill thread. How often is the first post a long winded speech?

So you will vote for Clinton? Makes sense
>one issue voters

How do you even know what Trump would do? He's already changed his position to stab his supporters i the back. Pray that he doesn't change the deal again?

Luckily hispanics have an extremely low voter turnout

Except he hasnt changed shit yet.
Come back on the 31st

I'll either stay home or vote R for congress.

>khan
Please kill yourself

No one one pol calls him orange, such a stupid comment. I can understand his need to switch positions to get more votes, the one thing people should remember is that trump isn't the change alone all, since our country is full of degenerates and won't vote for the policies we agree with.

He is a vehicle to stop the current trends, of which will allow new candidates in the future with harsher policies that we would love.

Sage shill posts and if OP is generally concerned, he should know that pols position is only acceptable with choatic change, aka not coming from a democratic position as of right now in the United States. The people aren't at our level.

Seriously how has levinstein not killed himself yet? I listen to his show every now and then and it's just 50% begging for Cruz cock and 50% convincing conservatives to skip voting and let Hillary win

>one issue voters
Classic

Dude he was out there on Jupiter having this conversation with Khan that nobody gave a shit about.

He is the pay to jewish rant talk show host. Wouldnt be suprised if he was a hillary operative

You know maybe some of us get pissed after getting stabbed in the back huh?

Except Trump hasnt changed shit.
Shills are not even trying

Nah I supported last years tax cut for the working class too that he got rid of. Can't rely on Trump for shit though.

Who cares that trump is lying to us? He has to do it to win

He might get some of the GOP and independent voters that didn't like his deportation plan.
Many people don't want to vote for a woman also.

Trump is still going to have tax cuts for the working class you dipshit.

Where did last years tax plan go and why does nobody know what Trumps real positions on immigration are? Stop shilling for this traitorous lump. What's even in it for you.

This is fucking garbage, and Trump is a moron unless he switches back ASAP.

If he continues with this nonsense, I might just vote Clinton for the acceleration angle.

>inb4 Thanks for correcting the record

I've been a Trump supporter since Day 1. Stuck with him through the ups and downs. Trump backing down on immigration is the only thing that would get me to drop him.

I know but I looked at polling and the majority of American voters support legalization and oppose deportation.

Cruz was for amnesty until Donald made him change positions.

Trump introduced a better fucking tax plan and one that is more feasible and most likely to get passed by congress. And its still far better than Clintons, who would INCREASE instead of lower.

People aren't going to switch to Trump because of a pivot on immigration, which will be minimized by MSM, so that they can continue to push "Trump is literally Hitler."

It's far too small of a gain to stab your core base in the back for.

Are you really going to believe (((Levin)))

I agree. However... Hillary means a high likelihood of war with Russia. And I'm of age to be drafted so... fuck that.

>i dont like thing
>so i will vote for the person who will do thing plus a million other things i dont like
>that will show him
Shill please

I have two christmas cards from last year. I've been sending like twenty to fifty each month. He stone cold dropped us. I'm no shill but the guy makes me sick now.

XDDD DRUMPF BTFO. I used to support Trump but after this I have totally shifted my political ideology. I no longer am conservative/leaning conservative - I now support socialism, mass immigration, PC, transgenders, LGBTQIA+++ acronyms, and most of all - #IMWITHHER.

Poor people don't actually pay shit in taxes that's why he could have left in the lower bracket cuts and only needed a couple more percentage points at higher brackets to cover it.

Why are you even listening to that kike (((levin)))

Trump is Bush's third term now or Romney or Obama but more betterer.

Fucking this, goddamn its so obvious it hurts.
What honestly sounds better shills
>11 million spics may or may not get deported
>all violent criminals will
>companies wont be allowed to hire illegals
>sanctuary cities will end
>no more benefits for illegals
Or
>open borders
>no deportations of any kind
>benefits for illegals
>sanctuary cities will still be here
>no penalties for hiring illegals

wtf i hate trump now

Did you see Nige speak last night? It was drop dead amazing

Illegal aliens need to pay back taxes for possible citizenship!

Im honestly ok with that,make them go through the process, end sanctuary cities, companies hiring illegals and deport the violent ones. Its still a damn good option

I'm not listening to Levin, but I've noticed a change in Trump's rhetoric and framing of the issue since Kellyanne Conway got on board.

Ann Coulter is a little worried, and if there's someone to trust on the immigration issue, it's Ann.

Waste of trips, tbqh senpai. I explicitly stated there's a case to be made (And it's one I'm not sure I agree with yet), that Hillary could potentially be better if you're looking at the issue from the perspective of acceleration.

If Hispanics become a majority, or even sizeable ethnic block in this country, it's over.

If Trump truly has backed down, (and I'm reluctant to firmly believe that, and am going along with Coulter, in that I'll give him time to correct himself), then America is going down.

If Hillary wins, America is going to be inevitably screwed.

Trump deporting "the bad ones!" postpones the situation, but still does nothing to reverse it.

Taking that into consideration, it's potentially better to vote Clinton, knowing that she'll wreck the country much faster.

The only worry I have regarding that is whether or not the "Constitutional conservatives" and GOPe would stand a chance at retaking the party and ensuring that no Trump/Buchanan style candidate has a chance again.

Once I get back from my vaca to the states, I'm not voting Trump. Immigration is non negotiable.
>You morons think it's only 11M spics
>When last decade 11M was the lowball estimate with it going up as high as 20M
>Thinking that spics have suddenly decided to stop coming since.

We're closer to 25-35 than the 11 you retards continue to claim.

The Wall
Ten feet higher
Make Mexico pay for it
MAGA
Back-taxes

Please stop spouting all these Trump bullshit memes. They're all lies.

I think the idea is for this only to apply to the people who have been here for a while. There are two problems and alot of people conflate the two: (1) How do we control illegal immigration. (2) How do we deal with people that are already here.

Reagan screwed up and gave amnesty to the illegals already here without a permanent solution to controlling illegal immigration. This created a situation where more illegals came bustling over in hopes of a future amnesty deal. Any solution about what to do with the people already here has to have a component that deals with a long-term solution to the illegal immigration problem.

>that Hillary could potentially be better
Stopped reading there, too obvious.
So who will you vote for? Open borders gary and Hillary?

This from the same people who said Trump was going to end his campaign 3 weeks ago?

sage in options field to avoid bump

Yes user it is, the shills are not even trying as you can see

That's not okay, user.

According to Pew:

Hispanic Americans, when asked about their first or only identity:

>Over 50% named their country of origin (or parents'/grandparents')
>24% said Hispanic/Latino
>Only 21% said American

Roughly 95% of American Hispanics view Spanish as being "very important" for future generations.

Letting them "go through the process" inevitably pushes us towards a "Press 2 for English" nation.

Multiculturalism has failed, America was always intended to be a majority white country.

Hispanics don't see themselves as American, and aside from race, language is another major faultline in society (It's one reason the Quebecois still haven't assimilated and have mounted multiple secession attempts). How long until "Reconquista" leaves the realm of rhetoric?

I'm not shilling and can screencap my Trump stuff if you'd like.

Accelerationism is a legitimate concept. It's one I'm not necessarily agreeing with right now, but I am considering it.

If you want to be a fag, keep on putting blind faith in Trump, insinuating that any concerned supporters are shills, do nothing to pressure him into changing his position back, and have fun in Estados Unidos.

CONNED
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Why is immigration such a big deal anyway? Its just some spics. Just let them in and have em pay taxes.

Only people that are hellbent on deportation are pasty white fucks that are afraid of tacos.

See:

>What's the big deal it's just Muslims?

PAY YOUR DEBTOS

Yes user, we should let shillary just speed things along,i mean its not like there is more than on issue, say the 2nd amenedment? Or even the 1st? Yeah im willing to put up with spics if it means our rights dont get infringed.
Her accelerating shit wont accomplish anything, yeah we will fall but we wont recover in any meaningful way, and if we dont fall we will never have a republican again, at least with Trump we have a goddamn chance. This is what you ignore.

The 2nd amendment is important; however, I think the pro-2nd amendment crowd has a misplaced fear.

I could be wrong on this; however, it's always seemed to be the case that, should the U.S. govt. try to ban semi-automatic rifles, or seriously infringe upon the 2A in any serious manner, that would trigger an actual armed revolution.

Maybe I'm putting too much faith in them; however, back in 2014, in Colorado, we recalled 2 senators and forced a third to resign for their votes to ban high capacity magazines or something along those lines.

You view Hillary's policies as inherently harmful, and they without a doubt are, but if we become a majority Hispanic country, or are headed towards that with no exit, anything to hasten the decline is a good idea.

Expected behavior, really.

During primaries, politicians have to pander to their party base if they want the votes, so their policies appear more extreme.

In the general election, it's often the opposite: the two candidates who were polar opposites start to come together in the middle to try and appeal to as many people as possible.

There's a famous example if this phenomenon involving ice cream vendors choosing the optimal place to sell their goods:
uh.edu/engines/epi2692.htm

Some great leaders don't need to play this game to win, but Trump's position is likely due to the advice of campaign managers.

Would have made far more sense to come to the center on other issues though.

Imagine, hypothetically, Santorum was the GOP nominee. It would make sense for him to moderate himself on taxes, foreign policy, environmental issues, etc. If he were to compromise on gay marriage or abortion, he'd be shooting himself in the foot. The reason people would (and have) supported Santorum, are because of those issues.

If you compromise on your largest issues, you're doing yourself a disservice. The amount of independent voters you are going to gain is outweighed by the core supporters that jump ship.

ITT: shills shilling to shills

And sadly, it's really the few swing voters in the swing states that decide this for us. Perhaps their research showed adjusting on this issue made sense in that context.

For most of the other people with illegal immigration as their #1 issue, they'll still vote Trump over Hillary.

If you even read the original comment, you would see literally no pivot. It's just CTR trying to work thier shitty magic. Sage

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Fucking retards

conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/08/trump-just-officially-adopted-the-jeb-bush-gang-of-8-position-on-amnesty

>Speaking on what to do with non-violent illegal aliens, Trump said that under his plan they will “pay back-taxes” and that it would be a “very hard thing” to “throw them and their family out.”

>"I think for the eleven or twelve million people here illegally, they should come out from the shadows, they should pay a fine, they should pay taxes, they should work," Bush said in an interview back in October of 2015.

Unless we boot them out, this country is doomed regardless. There are enough already here that we are damned to lose our country unless we eject ALL illegals and pressure anchor babies to leave with their illegal parents.

The studies have shown that after the first generation, they cease to be culturally conservative and yet retain the Peronist and Chavista delusional confiscation "economics" of their parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents. That dooms us to become Venezuela. Add to that the vast sums of welfare they vacuum up and that, while 2nd generation income converges to the US mean, 3rd and further falls back again and continues falling relative to the mean - a recipe for a permanent underclass comprised of a growing % of the population.

>vote R for congress.
Highly doubtful those generic R's are going to give you the deportation you want.

are you saying it's impossible to round up 11 million people?

I hope your not denying hte holocaust

>M-maybe Lucy will let me kick the football this time?!

At some point, you have to walk away.

why is he still on air? Who listens to him?