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Already forgot? It's "bring the retarded masses" to the internet day..
Gavin Thompson
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Jonathan Peterson
Daily reminder to look into your local National Socialist group if you haven't yet!
Jeremiah Anderson
DO NOT REPLY TO SHILLS
DO NOT INTERACT WITH SHILLS
DO NOT GIVE THEM THE (you)s THEY DESPERATELY WANT
Isaiah Wood
Hitler did nothing wrong.
Mason Price
The actual man in charge of repairing the economy was Hjalmar Schacht.
Schacht realised the economy of Germany was entirely unsustainable without some reforms, otherwise conquests would be necessary to fund it.
The actual Nazis (Göring, Hitler,..) made sure to kick him out especially because they did not agree with his economic policies that helped revive the German economy.
Once the war would be over, the economy would crash again and Germany would experience yet another depression.
Schacht was a member of the Nazi Party but he also publicly expressed his disgust at the treatment of the Jews as soon as 1938, and tried to co-conspire against Hitler after 1938. One can hardly call this man a Nazi.
In the end all this proves is that Hitler cared more about power and dominance than he did about the good and well-being of his people.
Cooper Williams
Let me stress this again: Hitler didn't fix the economy, Hjalmar Schacht did. Hitler then fired him and ran the economy into the ground again.
Even if you concede that Hitler fixed the economy (which he didn't), you still can't separate that from the fact that the German economy was essentially converted into a war machine dependent upon its upcoming conquest and looting, which in turn set the stage for a genocidal campaign through Eastern, Central, and Southern Europe...all of this ending with the complete collapse of the German state, its defeat in an unwinnable war, and its partition subsequently.
If you're judging by immediate legacy, worst leader ever (even restricting that to just the German people he deemed racially worthwhile).
Carson Cox
"The Borghild Project" was aimed at combating the spread of syphilis among Nazi troops by supplying soldiers with sex dolls so they would not rape the women of countries they had invaded.
The soldiers were provided with sex dolls and instructed to either use those for sexual relief or instead sleep with fellow male soldiers. Emphasis must be put on the fact that the male soldiers who slept with one never did so out of desire, but purely out physical necessity.
Ryder Diaz
How do you stormfags feel knowing it's no longer an option to destroy the jews?
Leo Fisher
>National Socialism, Fascism, Traditionalism, and European Identity Movements.
Why name all of these in the same sentence? I belong to the latter two and I don't have anything to do with you degenerates.
Hudson Hughes
Then why are you here?
Jaxson Martin
Because I read this while scrolling down
Jonathan Young
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Julian Harris
its better for all of us to push a broader range, all of these are much better for eachother than what exists now
Connor Roberts
He's a divide and conquer shill.
Isaac Reed
It's not Whites you have to worry about anymore Chaim, it's the muslims chasing you out of Europe and hoping to get you all in one place like a giant concentration camp aka Israel you need to worry about.
Blake Morgan
I'm not even countering your political stance, yet: > Now GTFO Your protecting a safe space, on a niche board, on a niche site, not even from contrary opinion, but from questioning the comfyness. Those responses were like a tetchy addict not wanting to get up. You don't see my point here? Your not engaging with reality. You should.
This is the definition of cuck. Your just watching it play out. Your watching a seed that is not your own come to term.
Why are you not talking to this chump: This is much closer to some form of a reality playing out now. And it is doing so openly. They need your support more than this masturbation.
Lincoln Murphy
dont forget to make the national socialists for hillary threads later
Daniel Watson
>The National Socialist Party has become the board. What you have inherited from your oldfags, you must lurk before you can post. The most precious meme in this board though are its own shitposters. And for these shitposters and for the sake of these memes, we have to struggle and fight. And never tire; and never weaken; and never give up; and never despair. Long live our memes and long live our shitposter empire. youtube.com/watch?v=YcQr2hnf1aU
Cameron Rogers
I'm off out for a bit but i would be up for starting a thread.
Probably wouldn't be as good as in OPs selection of links. check them and the paste bin out. It's not all Nazi and you should check out Jonathan Bowden.
Ryder Diaz
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Ayden Harris
>its not all nazi
Stop proving how new you are. The whole general pasta is usually posted. But please do start up some breads if you want, shills usually attack them pretty hard.
Chase Lee
>muslims chasing you out of Europe yeah, no. the number of jews doing aliyah from all of western europe combined, for 01-06/2016, a full half year, is 2100. This is actually lower than the number for the same period in 2015.
Also, with egypt wanting to get close to the U.S, syria torn to pieces, Jordan trying to hold their butt from exploding and Lebanon basically defunct, i'm far from worried.
Jordan Miller
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Christopher Garcia
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Lucas Adams
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Chase Anderson
At the end of the day you fascist neet cucks will die fascism has never worked and never will because there will always be people fighting oppression
Jaxson Collins
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Easton Miller
>hates oppression >is a communist
You need help m8
Kayden Rivera
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Brandon Rogers
It isn't that easy tho. Some are more accepted by the mainstream than others (traditionalism mostly) and Nazi shit bogs us down since as soon as normies hear it they freak out.
Christopher Bailey
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Cameron Gray
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Colton Reyes
>>>>>>>>>>/plebbit/
Benjamin Johnson
I love Hitler's cape, more people should wear capes.
Nathan Anderson
Highlighting this, for the next few days we will be pro-hillary
That's the funniest part about National Socialists.
They can complain about outside factors, which they have no control over, "bringing down the white race". And that could be a legitimate concern.
Yet they jeopardize the white race with their idiotic movements just as much, if not more.
Absolutely priceless.
Josiah Kelly
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Tyler Wood
People will call guys like Trump, Farage and Hofer literally Hitler regardless of what we do. So let's rehabilitate Hitler then. Lift the taboo and remove white guilt. Make it cool and funny. It is time we framed the debate rather than the enemy.
They can't control the internet narrative like they do the MSM. We have already done it for millions. It has been proven to work year after year. People don't come here and btfo of us. They're intrigued, lurk, engage and assimilate. This board is bigger than Sup Forums now. Hillary putting the stoplight on the alt right won't do anything more than make us bigger.
This is a legitimate political and cultural movement that has made a businessman and reality tv celebrity that everyone but us hates into a mass awoovement. So stop trying to divide and conquer it like the newfag you are and get on the train that has no brakes, because there's nothing you or anyone can do about it now.
Jayden Morgan
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Andrew Howard
the dankest burn that there ever was
Sebastian Ross
>That's the funniest part about JIDF.
>They can complain about outside factors, which they have no control over, "being mean about jews on the internet". And that could be a legitimate concern.
>Yet they jeopardize the jewish race with their idiotic shilling just as much, if not more.
>Absolutely kosher.
Isaiah Lopez
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Joshua Stewart
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Robert Wood
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Charles Scott
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Kevin Sullivan
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Brandon Scott
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Justin Johnson
Work, Freedom and Bread
Charles Phillips
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James Morgan
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David Turner
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Grayson Howard
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Dominic Cox
This is such a lovely photo. It really brings out the softer, lovable side of Hitler. It makes it much easier to understand why virtually all German-speaking people loved him, as opposed to the forced MSM le ebil nazi memes.
Brandon Wilson
Imagine what a future we'd be in, had all their inventions come to end. Imagine what a wonderful world we would have had.
Carson Reed
This. Muslim immigration to Europe is literally no threat to jews. They have zero chance to take power and pose a threat to them en masse. It's just another minority group we have to take time out to worry about.
That said, jews face the same problems as us in the West. Hoisted by their own propaganda petard.
>tfw no social and cultural renaissance against leeches
Henry Jenkins
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Jace Morales
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Mason Butler
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Gabriel Rivera
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Jordan Harris
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Oliver Nelson
Look at the expression of pure joy on his face
Isaac Gutierrez
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Wyatt Reyes
Kek yeah but let's be honest, Cruz is a creepy fuck. You wouldn't want a hug from him either.
Carson Williams
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Noah Thomas
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William Thomas
The purpose of the military was national defense Hitler attacked first because the element of surprise and initiative gives you a huge advantage against an opponent.
Nothing I've seen indicated that he was planning worldwide or europe-wide conquest; rather by all accounts he appeared to be trying to get europe to prepare a defense against the bolsheviks in russia.
I think everything in europe would've gone completely differently if Poland had allied with Germany instead of antagonizing them.
Kayden Sanchez
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Robert Harris
Atomwaffen from IronMarch checking in
Caleb Rivera
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Mason Phillips
You Hillary supporters need to get the fuck out Sup Forums is a board of peace
Evan Ross
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Connor Wright
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Samuel Barnes
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Isaiah Morris
no natsoc general tonight. We must focus on the defense of Sup Forums
Aaron Cox
NEVER. Until we have achieved final victory over the evil kike Trump. Heil Hillary!
Christopher Gomez
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Brandon Harris
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Jayden Anderson
>lots of newfriends are coming >NOW WOULD BE THE PERFECT TIME TO SHUT IT DOWN
Andrew Murphy
Lurker here. You show up in every Nat Soc Gen. You are so obviously either >JIDF >mentally unstable >severely autistic >some other shill
Just go away. Take a break.
Ethan Cook
Well yeah, maybe it would be better AS a general. People will be curious and check it out and maybe get red pilled on what they are trying to convey. But people won't get the impression that EVERYONE is a natsoc.
Isaiah Allen
What everyone needs to accept is that we don't give a fuck about what the MSM thinks. We frame the narrative, not them. They've all spent the last 6 months calling Drumpf literally Hitler. Well you know what? Maybe Hitler wasn't literally Hitler either.
Easton Hernandez
One of the most plagued questions we get when talking about Fascism is economics, normally brought up by people still stuck in a liberal mentality and limited scope of perception, where everything is defined in term of social and economic policies, rather than principles derived from the notion of a singular Truth and Order that dominates the world. The variety of historic economic plans and practices maintained by various champions of our Struggle likewise distorts any comprehensive answer to the question. All in all we've simply answered people that economics are secondary, they don't matter in such a way as to be a fundamental and defining element of Fascism. The answer didn't change, however there is now a way in which we can describe this attitude to economics, and it's actually a word we've used repeatedly in reference to Fascism anyway: Socialism.
Our Socialism, however, is not in of itself an economic system, it is not the Socialism of Marx and co and stands in direct opposition to both Communism and Capitalism. It would be more accurate to say that to Fascism, Socialism is the definitive social structure which is more comparable to the structures of Individualism and Collectivism, yet it stands in opposition to those two structures as well.
Logan White
Individualism creates a social structure in which every man is for himself, the good of the one trumps the good of the whole, this is the structure most related to Liberalism and the Capitalist economic system. Then we have Collectivism, which is, however, largely misinterpreted nowadays as the good of the whole above the good of the individual - this is a wrong interpretation, because collectivism in its essence is just a mass of individuals with a common interest. In individualism the one seeks out all of his interests on his own, in Collectivism many people who seeks out a common interest group together in the pursuit of that interest. Put it simply: Collectivism is Individualism seeking Strength in Numbers on given common interests. Hence the common interest(s) becomes the primary focus of the Collectivist narrative and is thus easy to define. Collectivism worked for Communism because it worked with an existing and established group - the proletariat - to sell them the idea that together, rather than apart, they could achieve all their common interests, and fulfillment of other individual interests may follow thereafter. Comparatively speaking one could argue that Collectivists get more shit done than Individualists because the victory of a collective influences the outcome for every participant of the collective and they are all somewhat elevated, whereas in Individualism all victories are… individual, and few people achieve them. Moreover in individualism absolutely every single other individual is a competitor, even when you struggle for the same prize, whereas in collectivism everyone within the collective ideally shares in the victory.
Austin Mitchell
Ultimately, however, both Individualism and Collectivism are no good for Fascism, as their fundamental premise is individual interest, regardless if it is pursued individually or collectively. We've covered before how Interests are always selfish and self-serving, going against any kind of Order in favor of one's own mere whims and wants, which are always material and inevitably lead to degeneracy.
Moreover neither Individualism nor Collectivism does anything to preserve one's Personhood (an issue of semantics: I'm using personhood and personality to give different and untainted term to what is commonly referred to as individuality and identity): to be an individual merely means to be a digit, an atom; to be in a collective means to be a cog. In both instances Personhood is not valuable, atoms are just as replaceable as cogs and just as lacking in any real personality, only difference is the less rigid structure of Individualism, where you can maintain the illusion of being your own person, while walking in a sea of clones who can replace you at a moment's notice, because both Individualism and Collectivism work on the premise of equality and necessitate easy replaceability. In both instances personality can be sacrificed, either for a collective mentality or a fake, marketable "individual" identity.
James Ortiz
Thus you can see how the social structure of Individualism coincides with the economic system of Capitalism, and the social structure of Collectivism with the economic system of Communism. Both Capitalism and Communism seek the same: material prosperity, but one seeks it through a loosely organized competitive free for all (hence the holy cow of the free market, liberal concept of the state not meddling in economics and so on) and the latter seeks it through a collective effort which demands a unified direction (hence the form of State Socialism with control of the means of production and distribution in the hands of the State, and the stateless Communism with those same means being directly in the hands of the collective itself with no middle man).
Communism all in all is a direct product of Individualism and Capitalism during the Industrial Revolution, which shaped distinct groups that could be identified, namely the Proletariat and the Bourgeoisie, however both ultimately wanted the same thing, it's just that the latter had already achieved it and relied on the former to maintain their prosperity, hence the inevitable narrative of exploitation: the Bourgeoisie essentially "cheated" the Proletariat in the competition for material wealth, and to finally get what they deserve, the Proletariat had to unite and to "expropriate the expropriators". Communism simply becomes the pursuit of Capitalist goals without the Bourgeoisie to stand in the way of the Proletariat.
Joseph Ross
The goal of Capitalism is ultimately to work and make profit until such a point when you don't have to work, work is an obstacle to be overcome on the path to having material wealth that can be enjoyed and thus decadence sets in. The Bourgeoisie achieved this goal to the envy of the Proletariat that decided that it was robbed of its take and thus rose up to claim that wealth for itself. It is only logical that with the advancement of technology ideas like "fully automated luxury communism" would appear, proving Spengler right: Marx hated work, making him in that sense no different from capitalists, as that scenario is the dream of every capitalist as well. You can read more on this criticism of Communism and Marx being ultimately the same as Capitalism in Oswlad Spengler's "Prussianism and Socialism" and in the "Marxism" chapter of France Parker Yockey's IMPERIUM.
Now that we defined all of this we can finally get back to the original question of Fascist economics. It should be obvious by now that Fascism does not seek material wealth as a goal in of itself, regardless if it is for individuals or a collective. Moreover, Fascism, striving to make human society coincide with the Cosmic Order and the Truth, does not favor obscurification of one's Personhood, but to the contrary wants to develop it to its full potential, which is different for every man, based on their place within the Cosmic Order. Our goal, in short, is creating the Organic State, where everyone is in their rightful place, striving to realize themselves and in doing so contribute to the realization of the nation, the race, and of the ultimate Truth.
Kayden Rogers
This goal can only be achieved with a special kind of social structure, one that does not permit for the individualist free for all, nor the collectivist clan/class/group conflicts. That structure is Socialism as Social Order. This is not economic socialism, but Socialism that exists on par with and in opposition to Individualism and Collectivism, by placing upon the people a sense of Duty, which removes the element of interest inherent to these two social structures, defining them as qualitatively the same, and placing our Socialism as qualitatively different (exactly it's inappropriate to talk about any kind of "third paths" when in practice there are only two). Socialism as Social Order likewise undermines, through its introduction of Duty, the fundamental premise of both Capitalism and Communism, who seek the same ends by different means, whereas our Socialism disregards those ends and likewise burdens economics with the same Duty that it burdens the people in the social structure.
Anthony Morgan
This Socialism had a variety of names to help distinguish it from economic socialism: Authoritarian/Prussian/German Socialism as opposed to English socialism (Oswald Spengler), Socialism of Political Imperialism (Francis Parker Yockey), Aryan Socialism as opposed to Semitic socialism (Evola), Spartan Socialism (Eduardo Velasco) or just the Socialism of National-Socialism.
The definitive aspect of Socialism as Social Order is that it necessitates adherence to Duty, which removes petty individual interests entirely, thus negating individualism and collectivism as rival social structures, and subsequently negating capitalism and communism as economic forms in their purity. This Socialism of Duty by necessity has to figure out and develop one's Personhood to understand his place in the Social Order, thus also realizing his place in the Cosmic Order. By that same necessity Socialism of Duty prevents individual and group conflict by removing the kind of infighting that would tear at the Social Order - the Organic State is called that because it is like a living Organism, with cells and organs, and in a healthy Organism neither cells (individuals) nor organs (collectives) fight each other. A kidney can't engage in a struggle against the heart because they have inherently different purposes to which they are "Duty bound", thus there is no room for conflict between them, no room for jealousy, no room for interests.
Cooper Reyes
Socialism as a Social Order, Socialism of Duty thus also necessitates the formation of hierarchy, removing the falsehood of equality, and it affects every member of that hierarchy, from top to bottom, as everyone are Duty bound to their role within the Organic State and in the Cosmic Order. When a person grows to understand his Destiny (in the Francis Parker Yockey sense of the word as Potential), his role in the Cosmic Order, he is Duty bound to fulfill it, to strive for that Personal Truth which is a part of the ultimate Truth. Thus he finds his place in the hierarchy of the Organic State, fulfilling not only his own, Personal Truth, but also the Truth of everyone who fulfills that role, as part of that social strata/estate/caste. Realization of that strata/estate/caste Truth helps realize the bigger Truth of the Nation to which they all belong, which in turn realizes the Racial Truth, in turn realizing Human Truth at large, and each single one of those helps directly fulfill the Ultimate Truth, as well as through that build up of other Truths - this is the Organic State, where everything is in harmony and builds up to a cohesive and organic existence.
One thing that managed to maintain its natural hierarchy for the longest time is the Army, which operates on the exact same principle (as does everything, the Truth prevails in its principles on all levels, hence the possibility of that build up from Personal to Cosmic Truth), as a result this Socialism of Duty is often brought up with comparisons to the Army, a militant brotherhood where everyone fulfills their role in order for the organism of the Army to be healthy.
