Russia converts to capitalism

>russia converts to capitalism
>fails miserably
>china converts to capitalism
>millions come out of poverty
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Russia was "helped" by America and like everything America touches, it turned to shit.

Not that I particulary like the Russian gov, but actually they didn't fail miserabily.

It's a 140 Millions inhabitants country (about the half of the USA) and their PIB is almost near than ours, or the UK one. So It's not so bad.

But their mafia-Poutine governement is KGB as fuck, though.

China has more zerglings to do slave labour.

On a le double de leur PIB avec la moitié d'habitant, ils ne sont pas du tout proche de nous.

Idiot. russia is 100% dependent on exporting natural resources. They have succeeded at capitalism as well as nigeria. Let's congratulate russia for succeeding at something even literal niggers can do!

Now let's see them come up with a company that isn't either gazprom or a bank laundering money for the oligarchs. I think we will be waiting for a long time for that.

Stop

Russians are pathetically useless. I wish they would just nuke the world and be done with it already.

Where is russian apple? Where is russian alibaba? Where is russian volkswagen? Where is russian mitsui? Where is russian IBM?
Such a great superpower must have many many companies producing many valuable high tech products. Be good superpower and show them to us! Do it!

This has to be fake

>>china converts to capitalism
That's where you're wrong, friend

>even Nigeria ie one of the most successful economies on its continent
>even
>superpower
What are you on about you muppet?

Are you dense? Are you stupid? Did your mother eat toxic waste when you were in her belly? Russia is a superpower! Great superpower with much strength! Being compared to nigeria would be incredibly embarrassing to a great great global superpower that rivals the united states and china!

good

Russia was ruined a while ago and it's still struggling to keep their citizens alive.
Look at the graph, Russian economy is totally wasted.
Russian government is OK with this and doing literally nothing to improve the situation, they are happy with what they got, exporting crude oil and natural gas is all they care about.

Let's drink liquor together before discussing it.

>Are you dense? Are you stupid? Did your mother eat toxic waste when you were in her belly? Russia is a superpower! Great superpower with much strength! Being compared to nigeria would be incredibly embarrassing

Hey finn, if we compare GDP adjusted by PPP (purchasing power to account different cost of local services and goods) then Suomi is on par with Uzbekistan, having 60th place. How embarrassing, living in such a great country yet not being able to purchase anything that a generic russian bydlo can.

>Russia collapses and is looted by (((oligarchs))), loses its imperial territories and has bad will because of it
>China gradually reforms under the iron grip of a stable dictatorship, has a stronger victim narrative than oppressor

>>Russia collapses and is looted by (((oligarchs))),
absolutely
> loses its imperial territories
> and has bad will because of it
yes and yes. How come you have common sense

I am uncommonly intelligent.

Somehow I believe you

China adopted market economy, but kept general government control of the economy in a macro sense. They didn't go full laissez-faire capitalism: they allow market transactions to occur while the direction of the economy and development is guided by 5 year plans, and around at least 20-30% of the economy is publicly owned with state owned enterprises.
Russia went full retard and tried to immediately switch from command economy to American style capitalism. The shock and lack of preparation led to poverty and anarchy, all the while a small group of apparatchik sucked up all the capital and got friendly to the government.

Thank you to the USA for your "help" in the formation of the new government and the new economy. Suka.

China really didn't convert to capitalism though, while private enterprise is allowed at the small business/shop level, all major economic ventures are state-owned and planned and the state may confiscate private property any time they feel like it.

Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era, laowai

Chinese earn more on average than Russians though

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-15/wages-below-china-spark-russian-dreams-of-manufacturing-revival

^This. What happened starting in the 80s is that the CCP realized they could get rich using their vast population of slaves to manufacture cheap sneakers and tennis balls. This worked out pretty well for them because East Asians are collective-minded and can be easily made to work 16 hour days in terrible conditions, and China is geographically in a far better position for overseas trade.

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Half of the biggest corporations in China are private. About 90% of the corporations are private.

There are only 94 SOEs as of 2017.

I would rather live in Russia anyday over China. China is a rich version of North Korea.

Also about 80% of the country _does_ still live in Africa-tier conditions. The party is pretty effective I admit at building Potemkin villages in tourist areas.

Russia's population- 143 million

China's population- 1 billion+

Also Russia has better living standards than China.

australiachinarelations.org/content/china’s-economy-state-versus-private

bloomberg.com/view/articles/2014-10-14/private-companies-are-driving-china-s-growth

>Where is russian apple? Where is russian alibaba? Where is russian volkswagen? Where is russian mitsui? Where is russian IBM?
All big corporations have started their buisiness awhile ago and over the years they captured their big share of market.
Back then Russia was isolated and later got absolutely fucked, big time.First USSR collapsed, then Yieltsin. FWIW USSR had investing shit load of money into EU countries, like GDR or Ukraine, they got huge factories built by the USSR and they got them after the collapse, some countries kind of "paid it out" but the payments were joke.
Must big companies like the ones you are referring to are multinational and they had offices all around the world (well, except alibaba prolly).
In order to compete with companies of such scale the government must invest shit ton of money and also must somehow stop educated people form leaving russia. They aren't doing anything, thus Russia is still suffering,

Despite all that Russia isn't that of a shit hole like many Russians think, just look at GDP PPP
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity
We are on par with Germany. You may not like it but actually if you compare net salaries and prices for property or goods then we are really pretty much even.

China essentially went from Communism to Fascism disguised as Communism.

Russia got fucked up because they tried being democratic

If you are rich, you cannot be a “version of North Korea.”

You might as well state that South Korea is a rich version of North Korea.

Hey!

Here is the anti-China spammer!

He posts the exact same image and the exact same sentences. He literally must be a bot.

I’ve been collecting these posts for a few months and made a collage. You’ll like it.

>population having anything to do with it

>higher living standards
Is that why Russians die earlier than Chinese?

Russia also supports some of the republic and that makes others suffer.

> Chechnya's unemployment was 67% in 2006 and fell to 21.5% in 2014[115]

>Total revenues of the budget of Chechnya for 2017 are 59.2 billion rubles. Of these, 48.5 billion rubles are so-called "gratuitous receipts" from the federal budget of the Russian Federation.

Fascism is much better than Communism tbqh

They are cleaner than the Chinese I think. I mean they also have less people that probably has something to do with it.

Except, China is like North Korea with no freedom of speech and everything is censored.

As far as I know, the Russian economy is based more on state-owned energy and raw resource businesses than anything else, so that's why they're not on that list but also have a high(ish) GDP

> Asian-Americans outlive whites by an average of nearly 8 years. By determining the sources of the Asian mortality advantage, we can pinpoint where there is the greatest potential for raising the life expectancy of whites and other groups in the United States.

Why do the states treat their white population like that? I mean look, asians live 8 years longer than whites. WTF!?!

Are you going to move the goalposts when a multinational company inevitably comes out of Nigeria?

>china converts to capitalism
Read Deng. What China is doing is not even a big state secret, it's been in the public domain since the 70s. Stop being an idiot.

May I see it my fellow mutt?

>russia is 100% dependent on exporting natural resources
Natural resources are 10% of Russian GDP now.
>Now let's see them come up with a company that isn't either gazprom or a bank laundering money for the oligarchs.
Numerous IT companies like Yandex, Kaspersky or VK or non-IT like Rosatom aren't enough for you?
Russian capitalism is pretty young, but I wouldn't say Russia failed at it.

>Natural resources are 10% of Russian GDP now.
Care to share a source for that claim?

And yet your ruble falls 50% because the price of oil falls? Really?

The lowest since 1999:
data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.TOTL.RT.ZS?locations=RU

>Also Russia has better living standards than China.
It really doesn't.

Because ruble was overvalued for years, that reform (free float ruble) should've been done years ago, but Central Bank decided to act only when crisis started, I guess because it's an unpopular reform.

Which state has the ugliest flag and why is it Wisconsin?

Just how much longer are you mongrels going to vomit this propaganda for? How many more billionaires does China have to produce before you start to understand that they have a more successful capitalist system than the United States? Or do you think American corporatism and insane levels of extremely biased corporate lobbist controlled government regulation is "true" capitalism?

>Chechnya's unemployment was 67% in 2006 and fell to 21.5% in 2014
So they killed off a chunk of the population, or?

>even my shithole country is on the list
>russia isn't
Sopa de vatnik uma delicia

>Reddit spacing

>How many more billionaires does China have to produce before you

Yeah, I agree. The CCP brass live like the Emperor Caligula from the money made by whipping their slave population into producing cheap Wal-Mart crap.

>Of these, 48.5 billion rubles are so-called "gratuitous receipts" from the federal budget of the Russian Federation.
All Russian regions are recipients of transfers from federal budget, Far East is much more subsidized than the Caucasus republics, but somehow nobody says a word it. Most regions are subsidized because of our taxation system when the biggest part of taxes goes to federal budget and regional budgets are dependent on subsidies.

Asians live longer because of genetic factors--they have lower testosterone levels than other races which causes them to age slower.

Which of course is why you left China and live in Sydney on welfare instead.

We wouldn't have had to enlighten you on the greatness of capitalism if you weren't an edgelord going on your edgy socialist shit.

>What is per capita?

>China
>free market capitalism
I'm going to go with a no.

Successful, livable societies don't have slave labor camps and total repression of free, individual thought.

Relative measure of wealth. I don't know why that user posted national GDP, being 60th in the world by that for a small country like Finland is a good result.
t. another user

Actually China did not convert to capitalism, they converted to Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.

>tfw all the CCP shills who live in free, democratic Western countries
>tfw none of them actually post with Chinese flags because [spoiler]their Internet is censored and they can't even post here[/spoiler]

China is neither communist nor capitalist, it is socialist.

>private enterprise is allowed at the small business/shop level, all major economic ventures are state-owned
Um user, have you not heard of Alibaba, Tencent, or Huawei?

All larger companies in China are closely affiliated with the party or the army, they're not really "companies" in the normal sense we'd think of.

And Russia is a bastion of freedom of speech and non-censorship.

They're not companies because muh government ties. Is Boeing not a company?
They are private corporations that sink or swim based on profit, they are publicly traded, and are privately owned.
That sounds like a company to me. They are not run by bureaucrats in the Politburo.

The equivalent would be if Apple or Google were operated as a front for the US Air Force and company profits filtered back to the military brass. It's actually a variation on the old commie tradition of the military being used to produce consumer goods--this was commonly done in the Soviet Union as well.

Obviously, it has more freedom of speech and less censorship. What's your point?

What about all dem dissidents that accidentally drink uranium in their coffee after they say mean things about Vlad?

Except none of the profits from Alibaba go to the government, they aren't a front. They're making money for themselves like Amazon.
And Soviet "goods" could never dream of being as good as Chinese ones in the 21st century.

What killing spies have to do with freedom of speech or censorship?

The PLA used to manufacture consumer goods in olden times, but in the late 90s, the party directed them to focus only on defense activities. They set up companies like Huawei to get around this rule.

Chinese companies make trash-tier products which is why they're only exported to Third World countries.

Russia's problem is quite simple. They don't respect other peoples property.

I've read a lot of stories from Dutch enterpreneurs that started a business in Russia. And you have the slow, corrupt and excessive administration, insane amounts of theft even from your employees and if your unlucky even mobsters on your ass.

And the legal system doesn't work.

Their economic system is a threat for us
China Government aid for their company is too big
For example, In OLED and Semiconder, they support $30billion per year for them
We can not compete with Chinese companies in anymore

>For example, In OLED and Semiconder, they support $30billion per year for them

Most of that money goes to line pockets in the CCP while their actual products are roughly at a 1985 technological level.

Damn, 1985 had products that looked like THIS?

It is wrong
If you buy these from Semiconductor equipments (Lam Research, ASML, TEL etc.), you can make the latest semiconductors and OLED
DRAM and OLED is now dominated by Korean companies, but in a few years Chinese companies will dominate

Yes, they can make a nice shiny case with a phone that has exploding batteries and a screen that fucks up below a certain temperature. Also all the spyware you can use. That is like I said why Chinese electronics are mostly exported to Third World countries and the US government has banned the use of them.

have you not been keeping up with the news? they have not converted to capitalism

He's right. Make a thread about phones and it's filled with flags from shitty countries talking about Huawei.

It's a chinese century. Best part is russians think chinese are their friends. Wont the world have a laugh when the chinese refuse to treat ryssä with kid gloves. Kill chinese policemen while trying to assassinate someone in china? Enjoy having your entire embassy "accidentally" gassed.

Why is the US the only country that banned them?

Damn, such shitty products, the us army still uses them?

cnbc.com/2014/01/03/us-put-china-made-parts-in-f-35-fighter-program.html

Wow, it's almost like Burgerland can't compete out of insecurity

Are there any actual white people posting under Canadian and Australian flags?

>data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.TOTL.RT.ZS?locations=RU
Thanks

>So they killed off a chunk of the population, or?
No idea what's going there. They are viewed like a leech "state" by majority of russian population.

What kind of financial assets does Russian have?
Chinese buy stocks like crazy and their financial talent is good

>Far East is much
Most relatively big companies on Far East were literally high-jacked in 90s/early 2000 and taken over by moscowits, often with force and homicide.
kommersant.ru/doc/481391
vestiprim.ru/news/ptrnews/34926-v-primore-vynesen-prigovor-tretemu-figurantu-dela-po-ubiystvu-direktora-ussuriyskogo-balzama.html

Most of the companies on Far East are owned by moscowits now and most of them are de jure moscow companies and their tax payments go to moscow budget

>Chinese buy stocks like crazy and their financial talent is good
zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-30/chinas-largest-conglomerate-verge-bankruptcy
>China's Largest Conglomerate Is On The Verge Of Bankruptcy

I guess, those stories were written in 90's and early 00's. They were lucky they returned home alive.
Doesn't mean all you said is wrong, but it's getting better.