Theresa May will trigger Brexit negotiations without Commons vote

telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/26/theresa-may-will-trigger-brexit-negotiations-without-commons-vot/

Theresa May will not hold a parliamentary vote on Brexit before opening negotiations to formally trigger Britain's withdrawal from the European Union, The Telegraph has learned.

Opponents of Brexit claim that because the EU referendum result is advisory it must be approved by a vote in the Commons before Article 50 - the formal mechanism to leave the EU - is triggered.

However, in a move which will cheer Eurosceptics, The Telegraph has learned that Mrs May will invoke Article 50 without a vote in Parliament

It had been suggested - by Tony Blair, the former Labour Prime Minister, and Owen Smith, the Labour leadership candidate, among others - that Remain-supporting MPs could use a Parliamentary vote to stop Brexit.

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Theresa May - Better or worse than Maggie?

Fuck Europe and fuck the NHS make Freddo Frogs 10p again.

Fuck Maggie I hope she burning. 30 years later and the country is still fucked. No shipbuilding on the Tyne or the clyde, no coal in Wales or Yorkshire, no heavy industry left. All our utilities owned by foreigners. The BA buys it's ammo from Germany. She literally sold us out to the highest bidder.

Reminder buy British support Democracy bring down the Euro the elite lwft wing liberal scum.

Everyone on this board should be buying extra british products right now .


trump supporters the most

Based May making Britain great again
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Fucking Blair, are we ever to be rid of that cunt. I hope mays got the steel to do this.

>They're coming back

So it begins. Will the west finally uncuck itself from jewish rule?

>Opponents of Brexit claim that because the EU referendum result is advisory it must be approved by a vote in the Commons before Article 50 - the formal mechanism to leave the EU - is triggered
>advisory
>"We know better than the people we're supposed to represent. Go watch Eurovision, little people. We're a (((representative))) democracy, so your voices aren't the important ones here."
Fuck these people sicken me

Worse due to her surveillance bullshit.

>Will the west finally uncuck itself from jewish rule?

Britain will. America won't. Pic related.

shes pretty based imo

So when is she going to trigger article 50?
This decade or next?

It's hard to realise your potential as a miner or steelworker
It was better to give those families a white collar and give them a clearer shot of thriving in a modern economy.
She was a seer . It was the EU that gave the other state funded economies a place to hide.
And now their game is almost run

>We know better than the people we're supposed to represent.
I mean to be fair that is a)Mostlikely true in matters like taxation, regulation etc. and b) the very basic fundament of representative democracy

But they were stupid enough to allow a referendum on foreign policy, probably the most complex part running a state so it's mostly their fault

>Britain will

I wasn't talking about you honorary jews.

>services are the future
>who needs industry
>building things is for faggots
Der ewige Angelsachse

Why does he think we're Chad? Is he projecting? It this final proof that the left is self consciously the home of low test betas?

>Tony Blair

How does this stupid cunt even show his face in public.

So fitting the queen told him at the height of his popularity and when he was being a smart shit to her that she had seen a lot of other PMs before him.

>mfw he became catholic to think he could wash away his sins and avoid eternal hell

If hell is real, Tony. It's where you're going.

Soz lads wrong pic. Meant to post this latest hot fresh Jahans

There is a lawsuit by this women in October. A judge can grant an injunction that May cannot trigger Article 50 without a vote.

I remember the tories of the time laughing about how stupid Germans were subsidising their car industry instead of getting rid like we did. Who's laughing now? Rolls royce owned by BMW, fuck.

Well it was silly of them to think you can beat Germans if they dedicate themselves to manufacturing.

They've practically got a racial bonus.

>EU
>Foreign Policy
It's a lot more than that

>Turning Catholic
Even worse!

It'll fail. It clearly falls under royal prerogative powers. Parliament is needed to repeal the European Communities Act which puts the treaties into law in the UK, but they're not needed to begin the exit process. The ECA becomes pointless when the EU itself doesn't recognise our membership.

wtf I love May now

I think the biggest point is a difference in industrial politics.
Probably caused by the fact that in Germany skilled work that you don't need a university degree for is considered the basis of the middle class.
Dealing with the EU is most certainly foreign policy.

>Probably caused by the fact that in Germany skilled work that you don't need a university degree for is considered the basis of the middle class.

Would explain a lot.
There are plenty of people who aren't fucking idiots who can work skilled jobs, they were doing it long before college/university became "the thing" mainly in the last 20-30 years.

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Wouldn't your parliament need to authorize May to trigger article 50?
I'm not that familiar with your system.

In some respects, but it's also an entirely new government. It's essentially an independence referendum or one about constitutional change.

This the neo-liberalism meme needs to die.

>It clearly falls under royal prerogative powers. Parliament is needed to repeal the European Communities Act which puts the treaties into law in the UK, but they're not needed to begin the exit process.

Given that Article 50 is irrevocably, so that if triggered a vote against repealing the European Communities Act wouldn't matter, I think your argumentation is on pretty poor ice.

The prime minister cannot de facto repeal the European Communities Act without a vote in parliament. That is the whole point. If the Article 50 notice were conditional on the repeal vote of the European Communities Act, it would fall under the royal prerogative powers, but it is not.

Trust me, I have been a licensed solicitor in England & Wales since 2010.

Yeah that seems good, but when the fuck is it going to happen?

>In some respects, but it's also an entirely new government.
It isn't because there's no body of government.
I get what you're trying to say but the issues for the UK will be the same if they get a deal like Norway or Switzerland where they are "independent" but depend on the EU.

If it does get rejected by parliament will Nige come back and save the UK again? Will Lizzie tell the House of Commons to fuck off? Will Brits rise up in revolution?

It wasn't competition, the whole industry was depressed, but instead of riding it out till it recovered like the germans, they sold off everything for short term gain. Now just about everything here is foreign owned. Fuck, we have to buy coal from France now. They flogged off the north Sea oil at stupid prices, instead of building up a strategic reserve for the country.

Karen already only costs 10p

>It isn't because there's no body of government.
But there is, as well as a series of laws common to all member states.

Tyrrell's are GOAT tier.
Good taste, krautbro.

No, the royal prerogative gives the executive branch the legal authority over treaty making powers. It is not a legislative function. The government has a mandate to execute this course of action.

The conservative government was elected on a manifesto pledge to hold a referendum on EU membership.

The referendum act was put to Parliament, and Parliament voted to hold the referendum.

The referendum was held.

Now the result is being carried out.

Both branches have played their part.

>If it does get rejected by parliament
If that happens there is a strong possibility of blood on the streets, I think

So when is the "Royal guillotine-ing commission" going to open.

I bet those who sold these off that are still alive are doing well for themselves.

>Probably caused by the fact that in Germany skilled work that you don't need a university degree for is considered the basis of the middle class.

It's also the basis for Germany's entire economy and the reason the EU is holding Eastern Europe and the Mediterranean at gunpoint.

If the demand for your high-skilled specialized exports falls due to Eastern Europe especially not being subject to mass exodus due to your artificially high standard of living subsidized by gibsmedats you can afford to keep competitive due to the demand caused by the EU encouraging brain drain from developing Euro cunts, your economy would fold like the China-tier paper tiger it is.

Not saying it's your fault, but it's what you've been pigeon-holed into to keep the EU afloat.

Since the Batty Boy Brits haven't triggered Article 50 yet, they most likely never will. This is a clear attempt to extort money from the EU and Britain should be completely ignored until they actually issue an Article 50.

A parliament is not a body of government.
And the comission doesn't fulfill the role of a government but is supposed to enforce the contracts which all have to go through the chamber with the governments of the nation states.

>implying you can survive without our yearly contribution

Get fucked Fritz, don't tell me we have to burn Dresden again for you to get the message?

Nothing to hide. Nothing to fear.

>A parliament is not a body of government.

That aside, are you actually saying the EU isn't a political union? Because if it is, a referendum is entirely justified and not just a foreign policy move.

>No, the royal prerogative gives the executive branch the legal authority over treaty making powers. It is not a legislative function. The government has a mandate to execute this course of action.

That is true. But the executive branch cannot de facto overturn legislative actions such as the vote on the European Communities Act. That is the point.

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>The referendum act was put to Parliament, and Parliament voted to hold the referendum.
It is a non-binding referendum. It does not overturn the European Communities Act or authorize the use of Article 50. The Parliament had the chance to make it binding and authorize the PM to invoke Article 50. The Parliament consciously did not do so.

>It's also the basis for Germany's entire economy
Yeah the middle class is the basic of the economy.
That's supposed to be that way.
>If the demand for your high-skilled specialized exports falls due to Eastern Europe especially not being subject to mass exodus due to your artificially high standard of living subsidized by gibsmedats you can afford to keep competitive due to the demand caused by the EU encouraging brain drain from developing Euro cunts, your economy would fold like the China-tier paper tiger it is.
This doesn't even make sense.
Why would demand for highly specialised industrial machines fall if eastern europe would develope faster and thus be in need of more machines?

I'm saying it's a political union but it doesn't have a government.

>It is a non-binding referendum. It does not overturn the European Communities Act or authorize the use of Article 50. The Parliament had the chance to make it binding and authorize the PM to invoke Article 50. The Parliament consciously did not do so.
I remember reading that a binding referendum would have conflicted with prior british laws.

>being this desperate for us to stay

Holy shit Fritz, don't show your hand so easily.

> Is this what they want ME to become
Funny how he speaks in those terms but can't see the irony when state schools etc are doing the social engineering. No one on the alt-right is telling people to become Chad. This looks more like the kind of loose public orgy you would expect from the "LGTBQ" community...As a celebration parade...By approval of the state...

Just fucking leave.
But laws are laws and you have to do it the correct way

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>Dual Apprenticeship
Just supplementing your point - if you aren't a burger-flipper or other lowest-wage idiot, you had some sort of apprenticeship once.

In these, you have ~1,5 school-days each week, lasting for 2,5 to 3,5 years, in which you learn "more" about your job. You have your normal work - at work, and schooling which allows you to do more complicated tasks once you finish the apprenticeship.

In essence, you get advanced training for your choosen job, and easy access to further schooling - with "specialist access" in your field even in university.

Its a rather unique system, but it makes for very good wörkers.

We have. The people have spoken. I know this is a foreign idea to a cucked German who wants Mama Merkel to make all their decision for them.

It has legislative, judiciary, and executive branches. Seperation of powers being the basis of a government.

Alternatively, a government is defined as "the group of people with the authority to govern a country or state; a particular ministry in office." Given that the EU is a political union, it is therefore a state, and as it has people with the authority to govern it therefore has a government.

>>being this desperate for us to stay
>Holy shit Fritz, don't show your hand so easily.

I am a lawyer. I don't care whether you stay or leave. But I am interested in the legal analysis and the political strategies.

It makes sense for May to say "I don't want a vote in Parliament" ,even though it is the safe choice constitutionally. It makes sense, because in case the October decision by the court says otherwise, May can then say she was politically against it, but now she must broker a deal in Parliament.

And guess what that means? It means that the whole "what does Brexit mean" discussion will be held in parliament and May will get backing for her plan to keep Britain in the single market and just exit the political side. Which is what everyone wants in the political elite from Berlin to London.

Yes they can you tit, or what else is the point of the prerogative power? I guarantee no judge will bar the government from executing policies in foreign affairs under the royal prerogative. This will lead to a codified constitution because the conventions will just fucking implode.

The referendum is non-binding, but it gives the government the mandate to execute article 50. This is a multinational treaty.

>We have. The people have spoken.
It's a nonbinding referendum with no legislative power.
If I remember correctly it wasn't alowed to have it because otherwise it would undermine the legislative power of the parliament.
I am relatively sure you have to put it through parliament so fucking do it now before you stay around for another fucking decade so we can wrap this shit up

Let's wait and see when it actually gets triggered.

We had 3 terms of Maggie, we haven't even had 3 full months of May. Don't ask stupid shit clapper.

The Tories will just whip the votes to ensure that they cannot block the withdrawal. Give up liberalcucks.

Why do EuroCucks support the EU so much?

We had that once too. Master craftsmen. Now kids take a six week BS welding course and wonder where the jobs went.

>All our utilities owned by foreigners.
This is what really boils my piss.

Why so rectum rattled? We'll trigger Article 50 when we're good and ready. I thought we were allies? What kind of ally gets so aggressive just because you don't want to play in the same sandpit anymore?

More talking.

Get on with it and do it.

>This doesn't even make sense. Why would demand for highly specialised industrial machines fall if eastern europe would develope faster and thus be in need of more machines?

Because more qualified professionals staying domestically employed with the corresponding labor to support them instead of both mobbing out to Germany for a higher standard of living = increased domestic ability to create and sustain high-tech industries instead of getting them from you.

If Piotr and Wojtek lay off the human trafficking, go to college, and stay in Poland tl put there skills to use there, Poland gets the ability to provide for its own industrial needs at a lower marginal cost than imported German goods.

Desparation/retardation. More totalitarianism, less free speech, open borders, and more migrants will somehow fix everything. Some people won't accept that they're wrong until it's too late.

>keep Britain in the single market and just exit the political side. Which is what everyone wants in the political elite from Berlin to London.

Huh?

That's what the people want.

The political elites are against it because a free market without a huge bureaucracy means less money for them.

>The prerogative appears to be historically and as a matter of fact nothing else than the residue of discretionary or arbitrary authority which at any given time is legally left in the hands of the crown. The prerogative is the name of the remaining portion of the Crown's original authority ... Every act which the executive government can lawfully do without the authority of an Act of Parliament is done in virtue of the prerogative.

Do you have an idea how narrow the royal prerogative is and how enormous the consequences of Brexit are? It's not only about foreign relations. Hell, it's not even about concluding trade deals (which by the way also require ratification by Parliament). It's about extricating the UK from 80,000+ EU pieces of legislation that add up to around 28,000,000+ pages of legalese that have built up over the past 40 years. Some of them, like the Human Rights Act, have constitutional value. Then you have to rearrange the judicial system.

If you think that the executive has the power to do all that unilaterally, or even the power to compel Parliament to do it then you are delusional. It's not the executive that is sovereign, it is Parliament. I thought all Europeans learned about the democratic separation of powers in school, obviously not.

>But laws are laws and you have to do it the correct way
unless you are a kike or completely brainwashed, you should be trying to help pull down the EJew, OWG, NWO project.

But that has nothing do with decreasing demand but with increasing supply.

Also I think you're underestimating the amount of work it would take for eastern europe to get to western european standards of engineering

>divide and conquer
nice try

churchill quote is fake

typical nazi retard posting infographics he hasnt even read lol

The UK would still have to pay into the EU and basically have the same deal but without any voting power in decisions and regulations

I'm actually Australian. The only ones who have the power to do make constitutional changes are the people. All referendums are binding, the concept of the government being able to overrule the decision of the people is so foreign to me (and I imagine to the Swiss as well)

are you upset that your polish jew leader failed to tighten the chains around britains neck and now weve slipped from your grasp. We may not have started the official process but for all intents and purposes we are no longer the EU, we are independence pending.

>May can then say she was politically against it, but now she must broker a deal in Parliament.
or she can call a general election and wipe out Labour completely, maybe even permanently as any sort of force in parliament.

fucking labour is tearing itself apart like a rabid animal, and it's a joy to behold.

No, the executive only has the power to activate a specific clause in the Treaties. That clearly falls under their prerogative power. Parliament is well within their right to refuse to repeal every piece of EU legislation if they so desire, as politically catastrophic as it'd be for them to do so.

Britain was a Utopia of thriving heavy industry and perfect industrial relations before Maggie was elected. The UK wasn't the sick man of Europe, Healey never had to beg from the IMF, the unions never fucked up the economy and the Winter of Discontent was just a story.

it's in the interests of every White person in the West to bring down the EU.

If you don't already understand why, I have no idea why you are here.
Another 8 flights from Turkey into cologne last night in case you missed it....

Most Jews voted brexit

At least Corbyn's an honest idiot, saying what he believes, but smith and Blair, fuck. Can't belive any one still listens to that two faced evil cunt blair.

Pick related is an old tory campaign poster. Who knew how right they were.

Most Jews aren't (((Jews)))

What the eu became over the years is a joke, that it has been ruled primarily, if not exclusively, by unelected old boy jews with the interests of israel first and foremost in their minds should be enough to convince every member state to abandon it. What the EU should have been is simple, A free trade agreement with a mutual defence pact. No interference with individual states laws and societies, no free movement, no commision passing laws en masse for nations they have never even inhabited. An EU like that i could get behind. The EU as it is now should be abandoned by all.

Look at Norway. That's kinda the same deal.
Providing it's own industrial needs =|= making specialised industrial machines
This is not something you can simply learn in college. They would be missing about 50 years of knowledge and experience.

Haven't you heard? We aren't staying in the single market - all options are too cucked.

Stay mad Fritz.

We tried that with British Leyland and ended up with the Austin Allegro. You clearly never owned a BL car.

They will only have to pay for the administration, which makes up 6.3% of the EU budget.

Regional support and CAP make up the bulk of the expenses (and corruption opportunities), but they are just income re-distribution among the members so outsiders don't have to pay.

Except it looks like Switzerland is leaving their deal with the EU

it's in the interests of every White person in the West to bring down the US
If you don't already understand why, I have no idea why you are here.
After all they made this whole mess.

>or she can call a general election and wipe out Labour completely, maybe even permanently as any sort of force in parliament.
Why would she do that? She already has a majority in parliament. What she needs to do is get Labour fucked up even further... all the while not to lose the Jewish support. The later is key, which is why banking access to the EU is crucial.

yeah right

North Sea oil is a piss in the ocean compared with what OPEC produces. They set oil prices, not the UK.

Increasing domestic industry to meet increasing demand has always gone hand in hand until China started whoring itself out.

I'm not saying the Slavs could miraculously transform their economies overnight, but your economy IS based off of keeping them dependent on you for imports.