Mfw everyone hated Matrix Reloaded and Matrix Revolutions because they were too stupid to understand Buddhism 101 tier...

>mfw everyone hated Matrix Reloaded and Matrix Revolutions because they were too stupid to understand Buddhism 101 tier stuff

I just finished marathoning the trilogy on Netflix and they're all still great

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look up matrix holy grail explanation for true enlightenment (schizpphrenia??)

Fuck off "Lana" and/or "Lilly"
nobody likes your shitty movies.

the wachowskis don't defend the sequels, as they were the result of intense meddling

>he ate the tranny pill

enjoy cutting off your own penis

The Architect in Reloaded was right about fucking everything.

>There are people in the current year that STILL haven't figured out that Neo and Trinity were programs and part of the control system of the Matrix

who was he going to call?

Well Neo yes. Trinity probably not.

I really liked Reloaded but I thought Revolutions was extremely anticlimactic. I haven't seen it in years though, I should rewatch them all again

I was going to point out that Sup Forums now just hates them because they need to label everything as SJW or cucks or something, but a few posts in and I'm already too late.

They are decent movies, but I do wonder if the first could have been the only one and it was left open ended. I remember at the time enjoying imagining what the sequels would reveal.

The purpose of the Trinity program is to awaken the Neo program and trigger its instincts to "save humanity". The Merovingian was the first iteration of the Neo program, Persephone was the first iteration of the Trinity program.

The gamechanger was the machines evolving to the point they feel love, represented by Sati, the first "program without a purpose".

In the end, Neo (Jesus), sacrifices his life to intercede on behalf of all humanity with the Source (God), and convinces him to spare humanity, allowing Zion (the outer Matrix simulation) to exist in paralel with the deep Matrix. A truce, and a sort of forgiveness of Humanity's sins by the Machines, prevails. (The New Covenant of the Bible)

A program as far as being an emergent feature of a flaw? Sure. A program as in deliberately written into the matrix simply to cause the machines grief? No way.

Everybody fucking hated Reloaded and Revolutions long before either of the creators transitioned, and it's because they're shitty movies, not because "u didnt get it!"

Well Neo is the one and the cycle never ends

So yeah makes sense he is a program

The Gnostic elements of the first film were superior to the Buddhist elements of the sequels.

>ywn see Kate Beckinsale as Trinity, as it was originally supposed to.

What the fuck is up with steve o's teeth?

Right but didnt Neo break that cycle?

Reloaded is cool as an action movie but the original was already perfect as a standalone and very open-ended (as stated)


Revolutions is a fucking mess with half the runtime dedicated to CG machines blowing up -- literally nothing happening.

They're fake. They are the first things he bought with his Jackass money. He's talked about it in interviews.

Yes, Neo breaks the cycle because the machines learn to love (as represented by Sati, a program with no purpose that is born out of love). Neo feels love for Trinity, against his programming which tells him to prioritize humanity over his woman.

This change was introduced by the Oracle, which represents intuition, against the Architect's wishes (who represents hard logic).

but

how does he have a body

>Filmmakers are too stupid to understand what their audience actually liked about their first film

should've bought a hot meal

He doesn't have a body. We never see the real world.

Zion is a secondary backup simulation for the humans that reject the first program. This explains why in the last two movies Neo is able to stop the Sentinels, why he sees the "golden Machine code" or why he can connect to the Matrix with no cables.

i'll never not agree

>the real world is another matrix
baby's first film theory

yes because the machines finally stop trying to control humanity and forgive humans. they stop running the cyclical simulation and try to let humans who want to stay batteries stay and let people who want to wake up wake up. supposedly. also i'm guessing machines who want to have no programs and just wander around do so.

can't the code thing be explained because all the fuckery he did to become one with the matrix. like he was uploaded since birth to have some sort of use in the matrix, but that doesn't mean he was never a genetic child also. so he sees machines as machines see themselves when in the real world. and he can connect wireless wi-fi and others can't because his connection to the matrix is so strong. it makes sense with all the transcendental meditation shit he's constantly doing. like he's working to being an in-between for humans and machines.

I think they actually explained why he was able to do it but I can't remember. Like he could feel the energy from the machinery? I dunno.

Further explanation to my post from movie was that being given access to the source code meant he could manipulate the machines. He could only see things connected to the machine world when we was blind. Somehow he was tapped into the matrix in some subconscious level. Wireless or some advanced tech.

The sequels are movies that clearly have no thought put into them (beyond superficial choreography), and nothing intelligent to say. This is in contrast to the first movie, which is an excellent self-contained story about liberating [the] one's self from his/her "programmed" and controlled world.

As is usually the case, the Matrix was and is a lot cooler the less it is explained and explored.

>wi-fi

What was the buddhism and why?

They are good movies, still. People hate because they were more hollywood-like: mindless action, drama, muh heroism.

Nice fanfic, faggot.

how's he gonna eat it without some teeth?

>People hate because they were more hollywood-like
You're right, but not for the reasons you listed. The writing and narrative qualities take a nose-dive, muddy things with inconsequential characters, and drop all pretense to subtlety - so yes, they do become "Hollywood-like", which is why no one likes them except for contrarians.

It's kinda like saying "people only hate Alien Covenant because it was more Hollywood-like."

I didnt say 'only hate because'. Obv, i cannot be aware of every reason why people hate the matrix, mr autismo.

sorry man. I was amusingly pointing out that you hit the nail on the head as to why the sequels blow dick.

I hated the second and third matrix movies because Zion was full of niggers.

Maybe having only whites was too much of a paradise for the human minds to accept.

Reloaded was bloated but great

Revolutions sucked on all levels

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in the movies the only explanation was "your power reaches all the way from this world (your world?) to the Source (the machine city)"
how and why are not addressed
the "why" is implicitly because he's the One
I think the next most obvious reason is because he made his primary choice differently from the other iterations of the One (save humanity or save Trinity)
as for how, IDK, maybe those plugs aren't just like aux jacks, maybe they have actual machinery in them

>forced to sit for 2 hours listening to some dude hype up the fact that the sequels regurgitate the themes of the first movie, except water them down, dumb them down, while adding a lot of pseudo-intellectual claptrap to them

Phew. Hope it was a free event.

>"These machines in Zion control us. It's like we're still plugged in."
>"No, we control them. We can turn them off if we wanted to."
>"You're right. What is control?"

Whoa, I know kung fu.

you stupid cunt, it was the "brothers" who made those films, not whatever they have become afterwards.

stfu you degenerate slime. don't blaspheme the trilogy.

I really like the entire set of movies, original Matrix, Reloaded, Revolutions, Animatrix
I don't think the problem is in people not understanding them
I think problems people tend to see are: the first movie not having many hooks into the later ones, the confounding of expectations re: the Architect, the seeming ass-pull of Neo's blind sight and related powers, and the way the action was presented and tied in, which I suspect seemed less smooth and integrated to a lot of people
it's the series that got me into action by being a set of thinking action movies
I also really like what it has to say philosophically, both the original and second two, even though it's kind of simple

2 and 3 sucks you fool

>1st: kino
>2nd and 3rd: good

2 was fun, the Smiths, the ghost guys, the french guy, the stairs fight, the highway fight, the key stuff, all cool. 3 was a bunch of weird stuff that was more epic and resolved the plot and built the world but it's just less fun somehow.

i'm lost

esoteric tier shit = the matrix
recursion ad infinitum
tastes like chicken steak

Did he not have teeth or have shark teeth or something? That's the only way what he has now could be an improvement

This is also the reason no one understands the no-one shit from the faceless men in Game of Thrones.

I loved both the sequels desu. That mech battle at the end of 3 is fucking awesome.

Reloaded is great. Revolutions has a crappy ending.

he's not in Zion at the beginning

The machines grew him.

Neo's abilities gave him a super power outside of the matrix when he zaps squiddies. The real world is not in a computer, but still connected on some level.

they just look like removable dentures

Just because someone understands a movie doesn't mean they like it. There are entire college classes that analyse the trilogy due to its heavy use of symbolism and philosophy. It doesn't stop 2 and 3 from being poorly paced nightmares.

1 - masterpiece. literally flawless. perfect balance of sci fi, action, pseudo philosophy and memorable characters with top notch effects.

2 - great but only because it rides on the all the success of the first. sucks a lot of the wonder out of the franchise and doesn't really reveal anything all that interesting. movie basically just serves as a vehicle for some cool action and more pseudo philosophical babbling.

3 - complete garbage with no redeemable qualities. any joy or interest left in the series evaporated. terrible side stories and shitty writing all around. so many failed attempts to build the lore outside of the matrix itself but it all falls flat. at least it's over.

No. This is a false theory people propagate because thinks it's edgy and deep.

Neo was able to zap the Sentinels outside the matrix because he is able to use his matrix link connection wirelessly (this is also the reason why he is able to be stuck in the subway terminal place in the matrix while not physically linked in). Since he can use the link wirelessly, even when blinded in the real world he can use it to access information in the machine network to see graphical representations of his environment, including agent Smith in that one guys body, which he sees as agent Smith because he's just a program and he's accessing data showing it. Fuck your gay double matrix theory.

What was the point in the final fight if it didn't matter at all?
I'm pretty sure they said that the bots had crashed zion like 8 times before and they were destened to do it again

>the first

If sati was the first then the trainman and the entire concept of smuggling purposeless programs wouldn't exist.

Buy the Trilogy Bluray, it has a philosophers commentary of all three films that's pretty interesting.

>zion being in the matrix is STUPID!
>its MUCH MORE LIKELY that neo was just broadcasting wifi 24/7!!

...

Did they ever do anything with plot with Neo gaining Jesus powers in the second movie? The guy suddenly gets the power to fry robots with his mind but then in the last movie his last fight is in the Matrix with Agent Smith. I remember it being a let down.

Nice head canon but all dead wrong. Trinity isn't a program and Persephone certainly isn't the first iteration of her. The Architect explains at the end of Reloaded that she introduced Trinity in this iteration and that's the sole reason why things are different compared to the other cycles.

By "she" I mean the Oracle.

1) ur mom

2) ghostbusters

3) sex line

4) fourth caller on KTIT-93.4FM

pick one

I honestly don't remember anything aside from the fight scenes in Reloaded and Revolutions

I've watched them again with friends on a few occasions but we all resolved to just skip to the fight scenes

Maybe I'll appreciate it a bit more as an adult than as a kid

brap.exe

was just about to post this exact comment.

of those two options, wireless connection is waaaay more retarded friendo.

Those teeth look horrifying.

Man, I miss this Keanu. New keanu is so angery.

The final fight against Smith changed everything though. Smith somehow gained a part of Neo and it allowed him powers far beyond his original program -- making him like the virus he was that had infected all of the Matrix and was soon to infect all of the Machines in the real world. Neo made a deal with Deus Ex Machina (yes, that's the spikey machines name) that he'll take out Smith and in return, spare Zion. Smith is defeated, the machines leave and Zion has a future it's never had any of the previous times.

all i remember is walking out of the cinemas both times scratching my head and yawning.

nothing like the first one.

But its still implied the oracle (thus, the machines) was instrumental in orchestrating that outcome.

Meaning the entire resolution of the movie boils down to "machines still in control."

How intelligent do you have to be to enjoy 30-minute action scenes with a few conversations between them?

No, the Oracle was the only machine that was on the humans side because she was programmed (or perhaps her programming allowed her) to understand them and their plight. She wanted to end the cycle as much as they did and so she introduced Trinity to the One. She never existed in the previous iterations and that's why they failed, because the One had a general love for all mankind, but never a specific one. With a specific love for Trinity, the One was now able to fight and try harder (I suppose because specific love is no longer as faceless as a general love is).

If your point is that a machine helped in orchestrating this outcome, then yes. But to say that the Oracle is on the side of the Architect is just idiotic, in which case you need to watch the movie again.

Link?

>She never existed in the previous iterations

The architect specifically talks about how the oracle was instrumental in creating the cycle.

No, he clearly states in the first two version of the Matrix, they failed because he -- and by extension the Matrix -- were too bound by the parameters of perfection. They needed the illusion of choice and to better understand the psychology of mankind, he needed a program like the Oracle to help him.

You didn't even read my post correctly, The "she" that you quoted was Trinity, not the Oracle.

The machines are only ever on one side, thiers. The oracle was created specifically to stabilize the matrix and make the humans docile.

Head canon. Come back with proof that you won't ever find because it doesn't exist, nigger.

You didn't even read my post correctly, only oracle modified versions of the matrix relied upon the cycle.

The architect specifically talks about how the oracle was created to assist in stabilizing the matrix.

I like the tribute to Monsters but the wolf's and vampires got fucked up...the ghost were cool.

Some of the cgi looks like shit but the bullet dodge remains awesome

Well duh, it only ever made it that far to become something that is repeated through the implementation of choice. Again, to say it's orchestrated by the machines a.k.a. the Architect is head canon and bad interpretation. The logical conclusion of what you're attempting to point out leads us down a path that renders the point of the story pointless. What reason is there to subvert the point other than to get your dick off to some >muh twisty ending.

His lawyer.