Can some one help explain Ukraine

so let em get this straight about some of the conspiracies

I have heard that the Ukraine revolution was carried by the far right and that is why Russia interveined

I have heard the revolution was carried out by the far right because the old government was full of jews, and that is why Russia intervened

I have heard the Ukraine revolution was carried out by the jews, and the US/EU, and that is why Russia interviened

I have heard it was carried out by the far right backed by the Jews in the US/Ukraine and that is why Russia intervened

I have heard Russia is intervening because it is against the far right

i have heard the jews are liberals

i have heard Russia is capitalist, right wing nationalists who are anti semites

i have heard Russia is against anti semitism and against Neo nazis all together

and I have heard George soros is behind any and all of these possibilities

who the fuck is who in this

who are "the jews", or are jews killing other jews, like those who call themselves christians on both sides are killing each other, like the muslims in the middle east are killing each other, so why doe sit even matter? its all about politics, religion is just a vehicle regardless if they believe or not

someone is lying about what they identify as, as a matter of fact, so are many here on pol

Ashkenazis? or a subgroup of ashkenazis?

this can go on and on,

its all seems to be more fucking MEMES!!

the singularity must be near, and the meme war will be cathartic , because identity is a meme, from religion, to fashion TO CURRENCY!!!! to religion TO GENDER AND SEXUAL IDENTITY

I digress for now

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It was the US creating tension, spreading propaganda through social media and rigging elections, see what they did in the Arab spring, it's exactly what they did In the Ukraine.

It worked and they forced Putin's hand in to Invading Crimea

the (((US)))

the Arab spring was the Clinton and Obama and probably the Muslim Brotherhood

And guess who organized it?

so the Jews are backing neo nazis in Ukraine?

and Russia does not like no nazis taking over ukraine?

>It was the Russia creating tension, spreading propaganda through social media and rigging elections
everything you said about US and the arab spring i'm with you though

This is the perfect video about "controlled opposition" as far as Russia is concerned:

youtube.com/watch?v=KOY4Ka-GBus

stop looking at Ukraine and start looking into Turkey.

Putin and Erdogan are having a proxy/cold war.

Ukraine is on the backburner for now.

is it possible Russia is trying to hijack the capitalist meme in order to destroy capitolism?

what about ashkenazi/ khazeria judaism way back when, did they hijack judaism ?

Most of what anyone else says on Sup Forums is Russian disinfo, because none of them know the real situation in Eastern Europe.

The truth more or less is as follows:
Russia had its interests there, but Ukraine made a choice.
Russia creates "frozen conflicts" (look it up) everywhere they're afraid to loose something. Russia really can't hold its influence any other way, because they have nothing to offer, and everyone on their periphery hates them.

>2013
>Russians are getting really tired of their corrupted government
>Navalny the USA's puppet gets more than 30% on the Moscow mayor elections
>Meanwhile Ukraine is having far-right revolution
>Putin seizes the opportunity and sells khoholstan into western slavery in exchange for useless peninsula of freeloaders
>Gets a fuckhuge popularity boost on patriotic propaganda
>The West gets yet another former Soviet republic into its sphere of influence
>Putin stabilizes his rule for another few decades
>Everyone is okay and happy

"Aggressive NATO expansion" is a meme.
There has been no NATO expansion towards since 2004, and it wasn't an issue for 12 years.

Military bases of any NATO country are by default "NATO bases," but they usually mean US bases. As you can clearly see, there are none near Russia's boarders. What I couldn't say about Russian bases outside Russia near our boarders.

As you can see, Russia's military posture against NATO is a lot bigger threat than NATOs against Russia. Contrary to what Russians usually claim.

You've been jewed into believing the left/right spectrum is what's important here.

You've been jewed into believing jews are a monolithic group.

>ukraine

no such thing

This is the actual map of NATO and its deployments as of summer 2016.
That "Russia wants war, look how close their country is to our bases" pic is piece of Leftist anti-War propaganda of mid-2000s. NATO was only involved in Afghanistan, because US were attacked on 9/11 and article 5 was invoked for the first time.

>interveined
>interviened
>intervened

the coup in Ukraine was not done by the far right, they are just cannon fodder. They are only needed as meatshield, despite all the official nationalist rhetorics they never ever will participate in government. Russia plays the Great Patriotic War card, mainly attracting left wing nationalists and socialists for their cause.
Pro Ukrainian Jews and oligarchs fund Ukrainian militias, pro Russian Jews support the rebels' cause.

who sends Hornets to the Baltics? Spain? Canada?

It's more like US trying to secure territories as close as possible to the Russia to set up military bases there.

It's like the EU forgot Ukraine has still a heavy bill for 1986 and they expect us to pay that shit.

NATO Baltic air policing rotates every 6months.
I think currently a couple British firefights are in Estonia, and Spanish in Lithuania. Latvia hosts Helicopters. We currently host American Black Hawks.

yeah, my spelling isn't that great

but the key part that you said, as mention above, is that there is not a singular hive mind of jews, as with George Soros, more is there a singular hive mind of the meme "alt right" that many russophiles seem to be a part of,

then again, the entire "alt right" could all be a Russian psyop, (Alexander Dugin perhaps) which makes me very scared about Trump, and Clinton should be in prison

>then again, the entire "alt right" could all be a Russian psyop, (Alexander Dugin perhaps)

I used to read Radix until I found out that Richard Spence is actually married to a Russian woman Nina Kouprianova (alternative name Nina Byzantina) who works for Dugin and media sites that are funded by the Russian government.

Its a complete Russian psy-op, at least at alt-Rights leadership level, Spencer in particular.

one important point to remember about the original protests is that the EU were funding the softer side of it.

It looked like they would be able to drag it out and eventually pull Ukraine closer to the EU Sphere.

However the US pumped money into the more violent groups and even went as far as giving some of the training or at least making the training available to them.

This caused a sharp up turn in violence which the media were quick to jump on as clearly premeditated regime based aggression.

(let me ask you this, if you were in charge of security forces and you got some solid information about multiple shooters taking positions would you not want your lads armed?)

Anyway at the end of Maidan the US had played their hand and sharked the EU out of a peaceful revolution. This meant Russia was nearly obliged to act as it was clear that this had happened.

For Putin not to act would've been seen as weakness at home and would probably have been the beginning of his own fall from power.

Russia takes Crimea and the US gets their reasoning for more money on weapons & more weapons in Europe.

Europe gets shafted and sits there looking like a twat

Ukraine get shafted and spend years at war with no end in site.

Russia gets shafted because you can't just invade countries.

Although Russia denies this, its been actively involved in the Donbass war. Many of its soldiers have been captured or killed in action there.

The major figures of the alt-right are almost directly opposed to Dugin. You probably havent read either. Start with Dugin's Fourth Political Theory.

You're an unread moron who's trying to sound smart.

You guys are totally right. Russia wants nationalistic european states.

Or a unified european entity a la richard spencer. That would be choice. So easy to conquer.

You morons.

>but the key part that you said, as mention above, is that there is not a singular hive mind of jews, as with George Soros, more is there a singular hive mind of the meme "alt right" that many russophiles seem to be a part of,

I was saying this since day 1 here. Some ppl actually should talk to real Jews, those from Israel hate Soros and his open border policies.
Just compare e.g. Ben Shapiro with any kike slut out there, Silverman, Schumer etc., there's no common ground.

>then again, the entire "alt right" could all be a Russian psyop, (Alexander Dugin perhaps) which makes me very scared about Trump, and Clinton should be in prison

dunno about that Russian psy op, I was pro Russian before this term was coined and without having any affiliation with Dugin and I know the same is true for my friends.
BTW most pro Putin people overhere are old socialists, not nationalists.

I get you're sarcastic.
But you're the moron here, since you obviously don't know shit about this region or what Nationalism really is. (you're a burger, how could you anyway)

Nationalism is very strong here, we have had Nationalist parties in government since regain of independence from USSR 25 years ago.

Unlike FN or BNP, Wilders or UKIP this isn't kosher nationalism, funded by the Kremlin and a one trick pony, that's only anti-EU. Its a real traditionalist movement here, that celebrates its heritage and people.

Sorry. You're right.

I was coming at this from a point of protected arrogance. You're right. As an american, I don't know what it's like to live with the fear that my country can easily be overrun by a stronger nation.

And so I will humbly exit from any discussion of eastern european politics.

If you'll honor this, I'll ask that you kindly refrain from disparaging American ethno-nationalists. Because we don't have a strong nationalistic movement. Even if you think Spencer is a lying dog, please, let it slide at least until our movement is realized.

That was only meant to be half snarky and petulant. I honestly respect your nation and its people and understand why you would look to Russia with skepticism.

that is the thing, pol got Trump to where he is, and pol , despite being anti globalist, found lots of commonality with our friends in Europe, and their right wing politics and culture rubbed off and even campaigned for Trump on social media ( I'm leaving out the Russian psyops this time)

Trump has given others hope in the world of corrupt government, and a channel for their anger, I don't like him, but I understand why he grew

In case you're interested here's a speech given by one our nationalist figures at AmRen last year.

youtube.com/watch?v=JuBw9mP6EfI

Just to get some perspective

I think only Anglin and Spencer are aggressively pro-Russian.

so where does russia stand, are they left or right

European and American globalists used billions of dollars and many years of preparation to subvert Ukrainian ppl into believing that if they gave their country away to globalists, they'd have lots of gibmedats. So, for the last 12 years Ukrainians have been electing and overthrowing pro-globalist and pro-Russian leaders (cause Russia used to offer free trade agreements etc. to them too). Of course, the globalists fucked them over and ended up ruining Ukraine and its economy, but Ukrainians are being brainwashed by their TV they're gonna get gibmedats in the future, so they're ok with everything.

During the last coup, the cannon fodder were the fighters from the Right Sector - full-nazi soccer fans. German nazis killed like 27 mln. ppl in Russia and Ukraine during WW2, so they are normally very disliked, and only the lowliest of scumbag gopniks join them.

In the result of the coup, the (somewhat) Jewish pro-EU globalists came to power. They decided to condemn Ukraine's communist past, but the only anti-communists of renown they were able to find were the scumbag traitors who crossed over to nazis during WW2, so they're now the new Ukrainian heroes promoted by the new Jewish globalist authorities.

The Right Sector fighters were too passionate and too unruly for the new authorities. The gov. wanted the revolution to end, so they sent all pro-Ukraine (instead of pro-EU) fighters to Donbass and basically betrayed them to the Russian-backed separatist forces who slaughtered them. The current Ukrainian soldiers worship their new nazi "heroes" (the traitors) only formally, ideologically they are half-globalists and half-Russian (in the sense that they steal, drink and don't respect laws).

Separatist forces consist of eastern Ukrainians who hate nazis, Russian mercs who are mostly from Russian neo-nazi organizations which are forbidden in Russia, yet flourish under the roof of FSB. These are backed by the Russian troops, who try not to intervene and hate nazis

wow, thank you, that really does help explain things

hope more of pol reads it

I see a lot of them come and go. They usually travel and spend their money which helps us out.

No. Just another oil/gas reserve. Someones is creating conflict for profit. Russia had to move in to stop them.

Love how these posts always get ignored.

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Thread's getting slid hard.

If Soros is helping your side be suspicious.

Don't bother he already drank the kool aid Putin gave out a long time ago when he should have legally stepped down from power. You Russians can't see it because you're too close to it but Putin took the dictatorial reigns from your Soviet past and polished it up in a way that allowed ordinary Russians to be ruled by an absolute power with absolute control. Please don't try and make Russia to be some savior they're not. Russians will always look the other way either out of fear or out of choice when it comes to being ruled by ruthless dictators. And beneath that fake smile and shirtless torso lies a dictator who has nursed from the same teat as Stalin. You people are blinded by ignorance and stupidity, so go back to your fucking backwards ass mentality and stay out of Eastern Europe. You don't fucking belong there.

This video explains a lot.
Also, BLM are rubes funded by globalists, many of whom are satanic Jews.

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You don't know a single fucking thing about modern Russia, USSR, Stalin and Putin, do you?

We don't need your democratic bombings, thank you, you can leave your bombs for yourselves, we have our own bombs a-plenty.

Putin is a way more democratic leader than most leaders in the world. Those numbers, about 90% of Russians supporting him? They are actually true. He's corrupt, but at least he won't sell out to Soros for like 10 mln. bucks like every single Western professional politician.

All kinds of media and opinions are represented around here. Libshit media and politicians are whining and complaining because they are truly unpopular with the people, they want a pro-Western, pro-globalist dictator who would purge their competition, forcibly remove all opposition and brainwash people into listening to them.

This whole fucking comment is one sided bullshit propaganda. Don't believe a fucking word of it for the author lacks objectivity which results in his clear bias towards his Russian Masters whom he so dearly loves. Oh and you're a real douche bag for trying to propagate your country's sad ass attempts to subvert other nations while under control from a real nut bag who refuses to give up power. Wake up assholes.

Putin is leading your country to ruin just like our leaders are leading us to ruin, by siding with satanic Muslims.

You are going to arm the armies of the antichrist.

It's out of our control, bruh, and there are no breaks on this train. We past the point of no return a long time ago.

>Don't believe a fucking word of it for the author lacks objectivity
>for the author lacks objectivity
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This may or may not be true, but I tend to ignore the word from any of those little butthurt ex-Soviet nations that rely on the U.S., excuse me, "NATO", for protection.

Especially when their shithole won't even meet the 2% pledge.

yeah, man, the poles and ukranians are just butthurt because stalin killed a few million of them

You're from Ukraine, fromer USSR or the early 90's Russia, aren't you?

There's no bright future for Russia, but it doesn't look like it's about to fall to shitskin hordes imported by the NWO government - at least for now. There are lots of brown-ish people around here, but they don't receive any preferential treatment (on the contrary, they're closely observed) and most of them have either been part of Russia since the times of the Russian Empire, or part of USSR. They're unruly, but we know how to cope with it.

>here you go:
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in a nutshell, oil is russias main revenue, Europe the main buyer. threats to that endanger Russia.

Russia intervenes, in Syria, and Ukraine. to avoid pipelines from mid-east cutting of Europe's need for Russian Natural gass

>However the US pumped money into the more violent groups and even went as far as giving some of the training or at least making the training available to them.

citation needed.

from what I remember the only US "help" that was "given" was mccain visiting maidan.

from what I remember the inital protest was started by some dude(I heard he was a russian muslim) who posted on vk that he was mad that ukraine backed out of the eu association agreement, and that who ever was should go to independent square.

a shitton of students(kiev has a shitton of students) then went and protested. then the president said that he would sign the aggreement, or something like that, trying to placate the protesters. what ever he did kinda worked because the protests where losing steam, but apearently not fast enough because the then president(I think this was on the behest of putin) sent in riot police to quell the situation. some one died and this sparked anger in the older generation who went out to, in their words, "protect their kids". and thus the population of protesters grew to a shitton(I do not remember the figures exactly) because people went to protest from all across the country, and the clashes happened.

from what I remember the US remained quiet in regards to the protest, I think this is because they feared losing what little influence they had if the protests failed.