Makes you think, doesn't it Sup Forums ?

Makes you think, doesn't it Sup Forums ?

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donnt you just love it when people think they have a trump card by pointing out a problem the government originally created, then later has to come into fix

The auto-injector used to create Epi-Pens, plus their rising demand has lead to them becoming so costly.

try making and selling your own epipens

no actually try, serious, watch how fast the FDA shuts you down for not testing it 1000 different ways

was there a sudden rise in demand? Epipens aren't like asthma inhalers, if you use one you need to be heading to the hospital ASAP.

Creating problems the government has to come fix is pretty much modern politics in a nutshell.

>epipen patent is illegitemately awarded to a company whose CEO is the daughter of a senator, who then jacks up the price while her daddy legislates the competition out of the market
>being against this is somehow contradictory with opposing government intervention in healthcare
Makes me think you're a fucking moron.

Its too much to expect anything but I AM SILLY from a mainstream political cartoon.

Why won't you give up more of your rights to be saved from a problem cronyism in the government created?

This line of argument is so detached from reality. Do you know how much money the big pharma companies make? The profit margins aren't exactly slim.

the free market finds a way

dailycaller.com/2016/08/26/one-fire-department-emt-has-already-outsmarted-the-cost-of-epipens/

allergyfags will never stop looking for gibmedats for their genetic retardations

they are a question with a built in solution

this. let them die. breed better people. Hitler did nothing wrong

Does anyone know anyone who has been severely impacted by this?

Or is this just media feeding on people's unreasoned hatred of big pharma?

The CEO will just get daddy to ban it.

Also send your kids outside. Vidya will make them autistic as well as cause allergies.

do they have a patent on any autoinjection delivery or just the pen-style one?

So if I understand this correctly the thing that is actually patented is the delivery system? So the physical mechanism by which the needle pops out and injects someone. And this is the only system approved by the FDA. And this system was designed and created by a government agency.

So does the government normally hand out patents it is responsible for creating? Do they have a bidding system where the highest offer gets it?

Also will this only affect people who don't have healthcare?

You should have thought about it before having a defective baby :^)

>implying the kind of people whining about medical prices dont also love socialized health care

I think you gotta buy a new one every six months or so.

>job has healthcare (HMO) built in to paycheck. never really look at it
>pinch nerve in neck and have to go to chiropractor.
>cost 2k
>they dont take HMO. Nearest place that does is 1.5 hours away
>quit job this week. find that my COBRA cost over $500/mo

Obamacare is fucking great!

Mfw Obama Care's 100% healthcare laws is why biotech is able to charge crazy prices on their products

I thought that supply and demand meant that cost went down with increased demand.

Kind of how wages go down due to an influx of workers.

Isn't that how it works?

Theyre just price gouging which is fine since I survivers it regardless.

In reality this is the consequence of socialized healthcare.


Also the guy in ops photo wouldn't be complaining about the laws of hes complaining about socialized healthcare.

>this wasn't a problem before obamacare

I don't understand what this cartoon is trying to say.

>Be Mylan
>Donate money to Clinton foundation
>No one bats an eye when FDA drags feet on approval of generics
Business as usual

Don't forget to vote democrat in November

Remember its the party that "loves" you

They make so much money because they have government backed monopolies

They lose a lot in trying to innovate, prototype and try bring products which will never come to fruition due to them not being effective enough or being dangerous.
If they don't have enough cash to bare the brunt of these before more products come out they will go bankrupt.
I still think that the patent laws on such products should have a very short life span - say 5 or 10 years to stop continuous gouging to fill a money sinkhole formed by an ineffective company.

this is a consequence of Obamacare.

Typical of American Government trying to solve a problem. They just spend money trying to make things cheaper. Yet never implement price controls.

It happened, and still happens, with housing and college. now they are trying to do it with medical care.

this post is pure horseshit. sorry, user, these pens cost the manufacturer far less than $20/unit
>source: i have eaten lunch provided by epipen drug reps

That's bullshit

The research is done through universities with generous grants from the US government

Because they totally didn't before Obamacare ...

well if only there would be another company that would sell them at 60 bucks then there wouldnt be a problem but that wont ever happen

i presume hes referring to the fact that the injector is patented so even though the drug it administers is completely worthless and would probably cost cents to produce competition isnt allowed without huge FDA red tape and other legal nonsense

A family friend of mine is in a senior management role for GlaxoSmithKline - the biggest spend even surpassing legal defense several times over is research and testing. They spend a large budget creating hundreds of drugs of which say only 1 comes to market consequently those failures must be paid for in the cost of the successful drug. The later the trial drugs fail the more expensive as well.

you have it mixed up, the demand in supply and demand comes from the side of the people/businesses paying for goods and services, in the case of jobs and immigrants, the demand for low skilled workers goes down because the companies have a huge supply of workers offering their goods and services.

Not to this degree and more importantly the discussion of affordable drugs and generics was the topic of the day during the Bush era

Now that the Obamacare trainwreck happened all discussion is about that piece of shit in favor or opposed

There hasn't been a discussion on generics in YEARs at this point

Of course you can chalk it up to one thing that Bush DID try to do and failed because of Congress

explain how the government started this problem?

>Does anyone know anyone who has been severely impacted by this?

Yes, I have a friend that runs a daycare and has to stock them, just in case.

You might say "Oh, a business can afford it!" but she gets killed on all the other things she needs for her business, like the insurance, etc. This one more expense suddenly unnecessarily jumping.

And the epipens do have a shelf life. The great thing about them is that even my friend's employees can use them without special training.

The outrage of the general population and the public shaming of the company to lower prices is a part of capitalism. Whether it works or not depends on if people keep buying.

The reason the cost went up is because there is a generic model coming soon and the company is trying to milk as much profit as possible before it hits shelves.

>senior management
Oh yeah somebody id totally trust in giving me the specifics of where all the money goes

How rich is the guy by the way?

subsidizing healthcare giving companies essentially a blank check that lets them write in whatever they'd like

ITS FUCKING PLASTIC THEY CAN FUJING 3D PRINT THEM NOE THEY DONT EVEN NEED TO WASTE MONEY TOOLING MACHINES

A love a good epipen in the morning after a heavy night drinkin. Best of all I get them for free since I have allergy

Hard to say. Only 10 million I'd say? He's very scrupulous with his spending.
I could give you his exact role and examples of drugs he's had teams bring to market but to be honest it's a small world and I'd be a fool exposing personal information like that.
But I'm sure if you cared enough to question my claim they'll have an investor relations area to see how they spend on drug innovations or whatever buzzword they use.

Do they not realize that the epi pen fiasco is caused by government over reach?
The fuck do you think would happen with 100% government control?

First thing they did was lobby congress and the senate to ban importation of generic epinephrine pens from other countries which they did successfully, giving them a total monopoly in the US. Then, Shortly before mylan raised their prices they lobbied the government and were approved of making it a legal obligation to put epipens in schools, air carriers, and other places.

No one in my family has food allergies so I don't give a shit.

>Makes you think, doesn't it Sup Forums ?


It the direct intervention by the government that leads to the high cost of health care.

Mylan did not invent epinephrine or the autoinjector. The government funded the R&D, the government mandates schools and daycares stock them, and the government blocks competition.

Also, anyone with severe allergies is an untermensch. We'll have to build some sort of peanut chemtrail plane to weed them out after the racewar.

It's regulatory capture. No small business could ever compete.

Well I didn't know that I just know for other drug companies they gouge prices on successful drugs to fund the development of failed drugs. That was all I was trying to say.
Sorry I had it wrong and the US government researched it my bad.

>They
Lets be clear there is no "they"

Its Senator Joe Manchin (D) West Virginia and his daughter Heather Bresch and it one of the many personal scams being run by the spoils system Democratic Party machine

While Martin Shkreli is vilified and crucified by the left and MSM, democratic Senators and their daughters are allowed to get away with much worse for more money

One thing is for sure: capitalism is not to blame. Government regulations have choked this market and many others. the blame always seems to fall on greedy corporations who just aren’t regulated enough.would be more accurate to say that the company is taking advantage of the fact that the federal government's own regulatory scheme has given them a medical monopoly. Clinton wants to cast herself and the government as the cure for this problem. It's actually the cause in any number of ways.

Yeah. I don't like socialist thieves and I don't like predatory capitalists. More than likely the medical company making those is capitalizing on a monopoly and keeping other companies from competing through government interference.

>FDA forces multiple epi-pen competitors to fail by requiring extremely strict testing of the same exact drug
>competitors never reach market
>people wonder how Epi-pen can charge such rates

That and some bullshit patents. I know medical equipment and drugs need to be tested before they reach the public, but this is ridiculous. It's epinephrine in a fucking NEEDLE. We've had both for literally decades.

Where do I buy one of those shirts in the OP?

>ignoring big pharma lobbying to do that exact thing
>idiots voting for bought candidates

Muh pbs scheme keeps drugs affordable. Amerifats keep going to Canada for drugs and complainig about socialized healthcare

A generic is coming out, they're price gouging until it is released.

His whole controversy is a hoax.
The company aquired epipen in 2007 when it cost 100 and then obamacare happened.
Now, the 4% of epipen users (so roughly 120,00 people) that dont have insurance have to pay more, but those who have economic hardships but cant get on obamqcare get them for 260.
Also, in 2013, it started being mandatory for schools to carry them, and now theyre the ONLY supplier.
So demand is waaaaaaay up.

What ever happened to lynching people who did shit like this?

Lynching the people who are bending over backwards to break even on producing life saving drugs?
The entire company's profit margins are in the single digits

Except the patent's not for the drugs. It's for the delivery system. The faggot senator and his daughter should both be boiled in oil

My cousins uncles friends mother said the exact same thing.

Isn't that company in bed with Hillary? You lefty's might want to look in the mirror.

I can't prove it without doxing a friend? I don't know what you expect but as said to another user look up the investor relations and read up where they spend all their money if you care that much. I was just putting some context to my words.

The author of this comic is mentally retarded. This takes an incredible amount of ignorance and retardation.

Well done.

>Tfw $35 for 2 in straya
Fucking suck it yanks!

It doesn't matter, you don't need to cite a family friend - it's a well known fact R/D is a huge cost in the pharma industry.

Ignore h8rs and spell h8 with an 8.

I'm not disputing your claim about the cost of R&D (which are only as high as they are due to gov't regulation).
Simply pointing out that using hearsay as a source isn't the best way to make a point.

And why does 4chin keep crossing out your flag?

Government granted a monopoly to one company, making it illegal for other people to sell eip pens for a lower price.

/thread

The manufacturer provides coupons on their site.

Why don't we have civil law? But yes. Fatty rightists are wolves in sheep's clothing

Rare.

god dammit why must my state always produce these scumbags, I don't even know who keeps voting for them, everyone here who isn't a complete ass kisser hates these politicians and their ilk.

I agree and normally I wouldn't but I was hoping you could add that someone in a tax haven could have connections and interest in a company such as Glaxo. Maybe that was grandiose and foolish of me but that was the line behind how I made the claim.

...

Not really. I have a job.

Trying to pin it on conservatives? CEO Heather Bresch supports crooked Hillary's Clinton foundation. She gouged prices for years before this blew up and now "Nobody's more concerned about this than me." She also lied about earning an MBA, but WVU 'corrected her record' publicly. Her daddy is Dem Senator Joe Manchin. So basically, this entire clusterfuck is thanks 100% to the goddamn leftwing "intellectual property" mafia and their artificial scarcity machine. Funny how the price gouging started just as big daddy GW Bush left office. He wouldn't have stood for their shit and would have put her ass in prison where she belongs.

from what I heard there were only two companies producing them, when one dissolved the other had monopoly status.

It's an issue the free market would easily fix.

that might make for a decent export racket....

Your flag on Sup Forums always making fun of the other cucked countries, meanwhile you're getting cucked on healthcare and pharmaceuticals, just to name one of the things that are out of control in your country in terms of price, like nowhere else in the world.
I'm leaving out housing and education; a shitty house for hundreds of thousands, and a crap college major for another hundred thousand.
Get your shit together!

Hey op stop fucking with the retards on /////////Sup Forums///////

government mandate schools must have them on hand now. and only 1 type of injector can be used for safety reasons and only one company has patent to make the approved injector. funny how that works out.

Its just Mark, newfag.

But should there be laws?

Spicy Jellicent there bud.

Dude, I'm American. The only Jersey I know is the one with all the greasy Italians and horrible beaches.

I know Americans are scared of univeral healthcare but its awesome!

Go to dentist to fix all teeth even if they are fucked up beyond all recognition = free
Go to doctor for any health concerns whatsoever = free
Go to hospital for any necessity operation = free

Of course it isnt 100% free, but paying like 2% of your income isnt the world.

You guys need to follow our example. Actual necessary stuff and emergencies are free (if you're under 18, a student or a tax payer as well as citizen) but seeing a gp costs a set fee and isn't subsidized. So if you're not paying tax here or a kid you pay. If it's not needed you pay. This reduces your expenditure and means taxes don't have to be raised.

>Generics
>Epinephrine

The patent Mylan has is on the auto-injector not the drug itself. Epinephrine isn't patented, and it's why the combat this price hike doctors/medics/first responders are just doing the manual shot to patients instead of buying the auto-injector

I mean I agree the tech on the auto injector allowing them to have a monopoly on the EPIPen market is pretty absurd but get mad at the right reason.

>FDA

SocialIzed healthcare is the reason this shot skyrocketed.

The Pharma that boosted the EpiPen price is MYLAN pharmaceuticals.

The CEO is the daughter of Senator Joe Minchin, a DEMOCRAT.

The CEO contributed heavily to the Clinton Global Initiative:

THAT IS WHY SHE GOT AWAY WITH IT.

Makes ya THINK, huh, OP..?

Freaking IDIOT.

Medical device tax causing jacked up prices