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Glorious, would vote for this brave man.

I have a dream

Very small chance of this happening. Only if Wilders ends up with a majority in parliament, and manages to change the constitution.

Maybe if we end up with a civil war between Muslims and the rest, but otherwise, no chance.

hes a kanker israel sympathizer, you should read his party manifest

almost everywhere he mentions israel and how we should praise them.

PVV - Geert Wilder's party

Article claims he's on his way to becoming the next prime minister. Not true?

Is there ANY politician in ANY relevant ountry that has a isolationist view on the whole Israel Palestine shit?

Seriously,If I was a politician and I was asked about this I would just say that its none of my fucking business and I dont give a shit.

All this Israel/Palestine cocksucking is annoying th living shit out of me,undying support for Israel is pretty much a requirement for being a conservative in the US

What the fuck man.

>Can any Dutchfags shed light on this guy and the current scenario?
He's a fucking imbecile that always seems to push for retarded ideas along with good ones, causing him to alienate voters... I think his new manifesto is a perfect example of him being retarded again.
>What are the chances of this happening?
Literally fucking 0. As a matter of fact, him publishing this now will make it all the more likely that the other parties will rule out the possibility of working with the PVV in advance, because they don't want to push this authoritarian BS... Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Islam either, but I do still believe that a free society with respect for the constitution is something to aspire to. Banning clothing? Banning books? Banning religion? That's not freedom, imo.. That's actually Islam-tier. The government should get involved in the books people want to read, or the clothes they want to wear on the street.

>Not true?

Absolutely not true. To be Prime Minster he needs a) to be the biggest (still quite possible) b) cooperate with other parties to form a majority (increasingly unlikely) c) be liked and trusted enough by the rest of the party leaders to grant him Prime Ministership (kek, hell no)

Israel > Palestine. Of course he supports them. Rightfully so, I'd say..

I believe there is a slim chance of this happening. Of the large parties only the VVD (free market right wingers) may be willing to join Wilders in his government, and in some bizarro world situation the CDA (centrist Christian democrats) may join them.

However, this combination has been tried before some years ago, where the VVD supplied the prime minister, and Wilders supported the VVD and CDA government. And it did not work out too well.

The more likely scenario is a grand coalition of the large status quo parties (CDA, D66 (eurocrats), VVD, PVDA (moderate socialists, Groen Links (hippies)) and maybe some small parties.

>The government should get
*should not

Bout as likely that Trump gets elected and in his first term deports the 11 million illegals and builds a beautiful wall along the southern border.

He's using counter-subversion methods desu,it makes sense in his point of view since he considers Islam to be an ideology.

Also freedom cannot protect itself you fool,enjoy being subverted to oblivion.

Based Geert is the only one who has understand the threat of Islam and proposed an uncucked solution.
Banning islam is the only Europe chance of survival.

>He's using counter-subversion methods desu,
Who or what is being subverted that need counter subversion though?
>it makes sense in his point of view since he considers Islam to be an ideology.
Islam IS an ideology. No question about that.. But that doesn't mean we should start banning pieces of clothing on the streets, especially not in fucking arbitrary fashion. He want's a ban on 'Islamic headscarves'.. What does that even mean? That old ladies with Babushka-style headscarves can keep wearing them? That full-face motorcycle helmets are still fine? Who is going to check whether a rag is Islamic or not?

Not even getting into banning books. Banning books in Europe? That's something we know from witch hunts, nazi Germany and post-nazi hypocrisy.. Not something I'd encourage.

>Also freedom cannot protect itself

>banning religion, books and clothing for freedom

>If I was a politician and I was asked about this I would just say that its none of my fucking business and I dont give a shit.
well you gotta have an opinion, man

I'm looking forward to it.

Only some libertarians in the US, like Ron Paul have an isolationist viewpoint on the Israel Palestine conflict.

In large part this conflict is so very important to US politics, and as an extension to politics around the globe because the neoconservatives hijacked the Republican party in the 1980s.

As a gesture of good faith, any right wing party around the globe, like your newly installed business oligarchs, have to pay homage to the neocon Republican leadership in the US.

>civil war between Muslims and the rest
>Very small chance of this happening
pick one

This is why universalism and the fetishizing of freedom is retarded. Freedom should not be afforded to groups who have a divine obligation to kill you and take over your civilization.

People are being murdered by Islamic facists and you are worried about their freedom instead of stopping them from killing you.

Good point

There's not enough support for its land grabs so Israel wants Europe to be terrorized into it.

what possible reason could anyone have for being pro palestine

Is banning books going to stop them from trying to kill us? Is banning fucking hankerchiefs they wear on their heads going to stop them?

No.

He needs to break down on the foreign funded organisations meddling in the mosques, rather than close them entirely. He needs to strike down hard on those that step out of line.. But if people just want to lead their backwards religious lives within the boundaries of our laws, they should be able to. We've had that freedom for centuries in this country, and I'm not incined to give it up.. Especially not in the face of a few sand people acting up. Fuck that.. We will preservere without stooping down to their level.

>closure of all mosques and Islamic schools

That is tyrannical. Christians wouldn't accept that happening to churches, and I doubt Muslims would be silent about their mosques being forced to shut down either.

Having a double standard doesn't help your reasoning user. I doubt it will get passed.

why does he bring such radical proposals ? It risks to alienate him the normies, an immigration ban and the closing of radical mosques should be enough

Freedom cannot exist without a strong moral base desu lad.

By not burning "degenerate" books you are allowing yourself to be subverted.

During WW2 at the start of 1940 the British did not want to bomb German factories because a few rich British concerns owned controlling shares in some of those factories and they thought it would be a violation of property rights to bomb a private factory.

That is you right now.

It's not being pro Palestine, it's being pro rule of law.

The question you should be asking is what possible reason would Israel have not to ruin Europe just to win in Palestine?

The mosques were put up so Muslims can live in a multicultural country happily

Unfortunately they are all a bunch of rapists and terrorists and force their culture onto the host country's culture
So banning Islam and getting them to fuck off is reasonable and smart.
If they want Sharia law, they can have it over in another fucking islamic country

It makes the Netherlands unbearably difficult for immoderate Muslims to live in, furthermore those who would assert Islamic ethics and cultural mores have no choice but to do so violently, thereby justifying further crackdown on expressions of Islam.

Suffocating Islam in the Netherlands makes the Netherlands safer.

Me thinks he just looking for votes, pandering to a little niche, islam not big enough on Netherlands, and his big supporter is Israel, so there's that.

>Freedom cannot exist without a strong moral base desu lad.

We have had a strong moral base since 1848. Again: I'm not inclined to want to live under an authoritarian regime, Islamic or otherwise.

Mosques don't generate resources. Countries like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait do. If you want to bomb/close anything, skip the Mosques and go straight to the source.

>We have had a strong moral base since 1848

> Is banning books going to stop them from trying to kill us?

It's a step in the right direction. The book poisons their minds. Repression works, don't you think Denazification was successful?

> We've had that freedom for centuries in this country, and I'm not incined to give it up.. Especially not in the face of a few sand people acting up

Maybe you're not inclined, but we've already given up plenty of freedom in order to accommodate all these Muslims. Moreover, it's certainly not 'a few'. Far from it. Our country is pretty much lost already.

t. Wilders stemmer

Focus on suffocating Islam on your little island before you worry about us.

>furthermore those who would assert Islamic ethics and cultural mores have no choice but to do so violently

This actually helps them. It paints an us against them picture, and strengthens radical tendencies in radicalists.. And, again: The end does not justify the means, at least for NL. We've not had mass murder on Parisian scale yet.. Our Jihadi experiences were 10 years ago, and we DID crack down, never once going full retard in authoritarian measures. I'd say we're on hte right track..

Except you can't because everyone is worried about being nice to them and making sure we are taking care of their human rights and heaven forbid being a hypocrite. Even the founding fathers of America knew that violence in a free society would be inevitable at some point.

It activates his base to actually go out and vote for him.

The part of the electorate that votes for Geert is made up of two groups:

1 Working class whites, who for the most part are very vocal in their support of Geert, but often are too demoralized to go out and vote.

2. Middle class and upper class whites who usually lie or deny when asked if they support the PVV, because any "decent and civilized" person would never vote for Geert. Publically supporting the PVV can lead to ostracism, loss of your job, etc., Although it is not nearly as in Sweden, where these supposed thoughtcrimes are always punished harshly.

> immoderate Muslims
No such thing.

You know you are on the wrong side when you start banning books.
Also religious freedom has been valued in the west, especially the netherlands.

How do you pronounce his name in real dutch? Is it jert?

Oh fuck, the us vs. them meme

YES FAGGOT, IT IS US VS THEM. It will ALWAYS be that way with Islam. We don't have to be constantly killing each other, but Islam is fundamental to Muslims in a way modern Westerners can't understand. They will ALWAYS be in conflict with our values. The sooner you realize this, the better

MINDER MINDER MINDER

The countries most affected by Islam have all been the most friendly to Islam.

This moral high ground cancer needs to die. Islam can fuck off.

youtube.com/watch?v=r7SbFgtutGw you can hear it in the first few seconds here

You do all realise the futility of doing this if there are still
Muslims allowed in the country and the rest aren't
deported?

The reason France has had such a problem
with terrorism is that the Muslim communities are
disillusioned with the restrictions their religion has been
put under and are easily isolated and radicalised. They
simply don't integrate.

Cut out islam entirely or accept it, these supposedly radical
solutions bring the worst of both worlds.

The problem is non europeans in european countries. Deport them and the problem is solved.

This antagonising of muslims could lead to a race war which leads to their deportation so that is a positive factor of the manifesto.

This. They need to know and understand that they're not welcome, as I believe is increasingly starting to happen.

If you hold universal abstract principles to be more important than the survival of your group then you are part of the problem. I'm not knocking principles - every man's actions have to be guided by and rooted in something - but applying those principles (ie. freedoms) to groups who wish to destroy you is not only counter-intuitive to your group's safety, but also to the principles themselves (Muslims don't care about freedom > they will eventually be the majority > the freedoms will be gone).

He cannot do that because the first chamber will block it. Only after he has a majority there as well he's free to do as he pleases

>PVDA (moderate socialists)
:^)

You can't accept it. Islam will never allow itself to be submissive to any other authority, especially not when you can watch instantly communicate with the rest of the ummah back in the muslim homelands. You have to expel it.

Restrictions like this are good because they FORCE the issue to come to a head. They force Muslims into violent conflict, and then we can remove them completely.

Victim blaming.

It's practically impossible at this point. Devout Muslims already outnumber devout Christians in the Nethercucks.

>PVDA

You're not wrong.

Compared to the SP they are moderates. Its like the cucks saying that Wilders is extreme right, equivocating him to Hitler.

You'd be willing to accept a large increased amount of terrorism related deaths as necessary losses?

That ironically seems to be mirroring the ISIS tactic of provoking the west so it responds with violence and 'moderate Muslims' rise up.

>2003/2004
Those number have at least tripled since then. There is no way there are only 11 mosques in Flevoland

>Devout Muslims already outnumber devout Christians in the Nethercucks.

This isn't a bad thing. The first people who welcomed the refugees in and are pro refugee are our churches and christian organisations (both protestant and catholic)

My city actually declined refugees untill a mayor aligned to our christian party took over. The first thing he did was open up our city for refugees and they will soon be coming despite protests.

Anyway, Wilders his ideas are right but he is doing it wrong. Neither the constitution nor the other politicians will allow any of his extreme ideas to come through. He should simply focus on cutting foreign funding from Turkey and Arabia and close Islamic """""schools"""""".

With that done, the muslims will proberly show their true colors and we will see just how "moderate" the moderate muslims are and from there on out the problem will solve itself.

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And? It's true. I don't condemn France for trying to neuter Islam but halfway measures are unfortunately making the problem worse. I don't deny this isn't the fault of Islam.

How soon do you think it'll happen?

*don't deny this is the fault of islam

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>TRUMP WILL WIN

>this guy

Please tell me you're not old enough to vote.

>What are the chances of this happening?

Not a lowlander but I'd say 0%. Anyone thinking there is a chance is a dumb shit making Wilders' life comfy by tax payer money wasted on his hard on for evil Islam.

Now I know Sup Forums loves the over dramatic politics but let's think clearly for a second be re, limiting or stopping Muslim migration and deporting refugees one thing but banning an entire religion goes against freedom.

Clear for a second here*

Maybe this is wrong but it reminds me of someone testing the water before they jump in. Dab dab with a foot and a bit of splash
>BRRR cold
Then the legs then the whole body. I get the impression from alot of politicians that this is what they are doing except the media are the jack ass who keep yelling that there are sharks in the pool.

Tolerance of the Intolerant isn't Tolerance, user.

Freedom and Islam are incompatible. Islam uses freedom to push for theocracy and in return the free west has reduce freedom to combat this. You have to pick one.

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Geert will rule the world.
Blessed is the messenger of kek.

nice meme.

Wilders is based as fuck, but cant he just be a little more sneaky about what he's obviously trying to achieve in a way i mean fuck. I honestly feel like he's trying to go for the elderly considering the simplicity of the matter.

>The first people who welcomed the refugees in and are pro refugee are our churches and christian organisations (both protestant and catholic)

Exactly the same here, it's fucking astounding to me how christians in our countries can be so aligned to their pathological jesus altruism to the extent of being absolutely oblivious to the threat it poses to their own survival. Religion kills logic.

Did you get that from your wife's half-Moroccan son?

Yeah man, the reason ISIS drove a truck over pedestrians and massacred concert-goes is because of the burqa ban, das rite.

Stick rigidly to principles in this case and you will lose the right to exist.

The last thing Wilders wants is to be a part of the government. Being in the opposition is far too lucrative, and their dabbling in the gedoogconstructie was an electoral nightmare.

>Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Islam either, but I do still believe that a free society with respect for the constitution is something to aspire to. Banning clothing? Banning books? Banning religion? That's not freedom, imo..
It's this moronic alignment to western values that is allowing Islam to thrive, our tolerance for intolerance can only ever end one way so unfortunately we must make a special exception for Islam and suffer the hypocrisy. The west didn't tolerate the Nazis and it shouldn't tolerate Islam either.

Looks like you do no know shit about the politic ideology, the so called religion of peace.

So basicly you are one of the problems.

Get rekt.

A lot of people I know, family and friends (even Black, Indian, Eastern European etc friends) will vote for PVV (Wilders in particular)

Even if it's just to get message out to current corrupt, pro-EU and failing government.


>I live in Rotterdam/The Hague area btw

>What are the chances of this happening?

100% its wilder's pvv or we riot

If you deport them you don't have to limit religious freedom. Muslims historically are fine under the five percent mark. Don't see why you need to limit your freedoms and start that precedent when deporting the refugees and the welfare leeches will do the same.

To be fair, I live in the middle of the DUtch Bible Belt, and there's not many Muslims here compared to the more cosmopolitan big cities or even university cities like Eindhoven, Nijmegen or Groningen. I suspect many devout Christians here don't interact on a regular basis with Muslims.

Jolly look at this dumb britbong, talking about how the Nazis were not tolerated while sending his message off from the land of Nazi appeasement.

But user, peace in our time!

>I live in Rotterdam/The Hague area btw
My condolences.

Man, I used to have a rather positive view of Wilders of the last year or so, I figured he had learned from his mistakes and grown up. He does have a point about integration of non-western migrants not really happening and about islamism in general, but banning koran, headscarfs and closing mosques is not the solution to this. Now my first preference is VVD, with a minority government with CDA not unlike the first rutte goverment as the best possible solution under the circumstances.

Linkse kut, dat je bent.

Like i said we need a special exception for all direct threats to our values, Islam meets all criteria.

It's not necessarily the principles per se, but who you apply them to.

Freedoms afforded to members of an ethnically homogeneous European society is conducive to stability, cohesion, quality of life, and overall happiness.

Freedoms afforded to minority groups who wish to dispossess and destroy you is quite literally suicide.

Universalism is the cancer here (and as a principle it certainly *is* the problem). White people need to regain their sense of in-group preference.

>He does have a point about integration of non-western migrants not really happening and about islamism in general, but banning koran, headscarfs and closing mosques is not the solution to this
Then how do you stop people from wearing Islamic headscarves and building more mosques? Those are and will never be part of the Dutch culture.

Shill.

>but banning koran, headscarfs and closing mosques is not the solution to this.
Yes it is. With iron fist is the only way to treat muslims.

Why? Why is he a shill? Religious freedom regardless of your opinion on if it should be universal or not should be protected. The deportation and halt in migration will solve the problem without having to go all second world tier on the grand stage.

That isn't what I said

Can you not understand why this relgious group would become disillusioned
with the country it lives in if it completely bans an important part of their
doctrine?

This isn't something like Christianity which has slowly been
softened around the edges over thousands of years. We're talking about a
religion which still practices stoning people to death. These people can't
accept even minor restrictions on their religious practices without
resorting to violence.

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Based Fryslân.