Why are you still not a Communist, user?

Why are you still not a Communist, user?
What's your excuse?

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I like food

I'm not retarded

I hope to be. But liking the idea doesn't make you communist

I like owning my own things

personal property =/= private property

>being anything further than a socialist

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I'm white.

I have food

i am sorry to hear that

Because only bydlo likes communism.
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lmao kill yourself wh*toid

>amerimutt
>I like food

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Бapин зaкyкapeкaл! Из Пapижy!

People are not equal, I quite enjoy working and capitalism creates a lot of advancement in technology, standards of living etc

Because communism doesn't work.

Good goy

Because I'm a social-technocrat. I agree with many puncts of communist ideology, such as planic economy and nationalisation, but people aren't equal, hierarchy is inevitable.

>What's your excuse?
I still remember it.

I understand basic economics

I dont want to be ruled by Jews or anyone for that matter, every single communist shoukd get executed as Jewish agents they are all servants of the Jews.

I also don't desire conflict with others for material goods when they have done nothing to me.

My parents and grandparents told me that communist Poland was 10x worse than todays Poland so i think that we prefer capitalism as a nation

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I like owning shit

equal opportunity but allowing different performance, and 100% inheritance tax which destroys super rich. to combine both communism and capitalism is the answer.

>'I don't want to be ruled by anyone. except those that own the means of production '

>conflict with others for material goods
that's literally what capitalism encourages. race against your fellow man for material objects!

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I want to be rich, not to get rid of them. Also, I despise poor people. Though, this is kinda new. I always thought that poor people = less money, more heart, but I verified my opinion after actually meeting them. And I say it as a poor student. Construction/factory workers are literally the most annoying people one can meet.
>Always drunk! Drinking on trains is forbidden, but they think nothing of it.
>Always stinking of cigarretes. Which is weird because they are supposed to be poor and cigarretes are super expensive here.
>They think of anyone rich as of a thief, even though they are stealing literally everything not nailed to the floor! There was an action once to get more people reading. Every train had mini-library for anyones use. You could even take a book with you, so long you left another. After month there was none left.
Those respect no one and nothing, especially common property. If something belongs to everyone, then it belongs to no one and you can take it. I blame communism for that.

I'm not autistic/retarded so I developed the ability to learn from past mistakes.

Are you being ironic here? Because calling communism Jewish while defending capitalism is pretty fucking retarded

I'm already based communist, tovarisch.

I'm not an outdated memelord

I don't want to starve to death while commissar shlomo fucks my wife in exchange for food for my children
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Because I don't want to work.

Fuck off. Not every person who disagrees with you is some "SJW".

Here in Poland when we were a communist state average Poles were hungry while Jewish soviet aristocracy was rich.

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commies are just thieves who just to wear a moral victim mask

If I desired conflict with others for materials I would be an imperialist.

Communism is serving Jews, all Communists are Jewish servants.

The Communism scam is old, go back to synagogue to come up with other ways to maje goyim serve the Jews.

I enjoy my personal sovreignty and I will oppose anything that is an enemy of my people, Communism is an enemy of the white race.

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only retarded still believing capitalism

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You are not describing poor people, you are describing poolish people and slavs in general

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>this whole post
I'd be the first to execute you for being such a piece of shit

What about communism with capitalist face?
I will vote for Grudinin on Sunday, I believe he will make Russia great again.

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I'm not a total fuckin retard

In communist Poland high and well paid positions were occupied by Jews while Poles were slaves who were forced to work for free, especially in period of stalinism. If Soviet Union was capitalist like China today we could even win cold war.

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We shoukd bomb serbia again fucking commie scum.

Interesting how throughout this entire thread, not a single person managed to make a single argument against communism. Interesting how they instead resorted to regurgitating insults and one-liners that make them feel smug. When they inevitably start insulting me in a fit of autistic rage, they will only further prove my point.

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Serbia is a shithole thats why they miss for Soviet Union probably

Milkers.

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What do you mean by Communism as most people seem to have different views on what it actually is.

I told you I sitll remember it. I remember the poverty, backwardness and all other side effects of this sick ideology.

I'm not a commie nor any ideologue, I just despise capitalism and would gladly kill anyone who defends it, likes it, or wants to use it for his egotistical and sociopathic tendencies

I don't want to die.

t. liberal art student soybeanie with a strapon in his ass

Communism isn't that bad as a cultural ideology but it's fucking retarded as an economic one.

I'm too drunk to make actual arguments. Though it's because of human nature. Communism expects people to be exceptionally good willed, but all it requires is a couple of narcissists to fuck the whole system over, just look at every attempt at communism in history.

Unless you can change human nature, or at least make it not a deciding factor, then it might work.

Communism.

>go be violent to goyim
>murder people (goyim) not chosen
>have chaos
>and allow Jews to rule you
A communist is someone who allows Jews to rule him.

>not a commie
>killing someone for egoism/sociopathy
Dude you ARE a fucking commie. Kys, you fucking bydlo.

A stateless, classless, moneyless society in which the workers control the means of production.

You have exactly 60 seconds to explain to me how the Polish People's Republic was:
>stateless
>classless
>moneyless
>or how the workers controlled the means of production

I'm an anarco-syndicalist

See, it's like the Communism that devastated Eastern Europe and cost them decades of economic growth and killed millions via famine and political repression except this time it's different because he says so.

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@86958633
why don't you suck my ass, nigger

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There are only two categories of people who want communism : 1) spoiled westerners who never lived in soviet union, 2) people who live today in such post-commie super-shithole states like Russia, Moldova or Ukraine that old times seem to be good for them in comparison

The 'workers' Commies refer to are thick as shit binmen and labourers who can't run their own lives let alone control the means of production.

Humans will by nature choose leaders and delegate responsibilities and then we leave your fantasy ideology.
Literally this

Human nature is shaped by society.
>The 'workers' Commies refer to are thick as shit binmen and labourers who can't run their own lives let alone control the means of production.
Not an argument.
>Humans will by nature choose leaders and delegate responsibilities and then we leave your fantasy ideology.
See above.
Thank you for proving my point.

>Lets Jewish corporations run over him
>T-the other guy is the true Jewish shill
Yes keep licking those rich people boots, I'm sure that those rich Jewish bankers hate capitalism
Soviet Union advanced faster than ANY point in Russian history
Human nature depends on what's arround them, if you let hedonism rule humans will be hedonistic. Marx actually adressed this. This is why we need a strong authority to keep socialist rule while transitioning.

Would you get the shit beaten out of you if you said you were a Communist in a Polish pub?

Communism requires a violent revolution but then also wants to set up a perfect Utopian system straight after. For some reason that never seems to work out

I will prove this, do any Communists have issue with Jewish comissar death squads, and communism makers?
No you don't, Communists serve the Jews.

Communists are all traitors to.allow the Jews to dominate.

Pssh... retard... over here...
I'mma let you in a little secret here, all those communist reigmes said the same nonsense on their way to power, it just never did and never will turn out that way

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>Human nature is shaped by society
Not an argument

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The point of dismissing everything you don't like?

actually no i'm not. don't reply to me if you don't have anything smart to say you fucking retard

Nope unless you entered a far right wing pub full of bald and muscular "patriotic" thugs. Theoretically it is against law in Poland to idolize both : nazism and communism but in reality you can be beaten and arrested only if you wesr tshirt with Hitler but if you wear tshirt with Lenin, nobody will have anything against it

we don't have to. time and time again fallen communist countries is the proof that communism only brings poverty, oppression, death and destruction.

instead of corporations exploiting people for profit in which people have a chance to maintain a decent lifestyle, commumism allows the state party exploits people for their own gain and gives nothing back to its people.

Almost every big polish town has a pub stylized to times of PRL with MArx, Lenin, Mao portraits
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But on the streets I would show any communistic symbols as well as loudly speaking that I am a commie

My time is not worth it. If America becomes one day a communist state then let it be. Maybe it's your turn to learn the hard way what communism really is. I hope you will live long enough to bark back your words.

>Why are you still not a Communist, user?
I don't think worker-owned enterprises are able to be established and expanded as easily as enterprises owned by shareholders. This limits their ability to compete, and any system that will be outcompeted is a non-starter even if it is theoretically nicer for the people living in it. Also, I believe that even were a perfect communist system to be engineered, the world is in a nash-equilibrium tying it to the status-quo; a single country can not unilaterally escape it, nor can all countries be co-ordinated to escape it together.

Well, I'd agree with you if you didn't want to attack tradition and if you came up with a power succession and division structure that prevented corruption and despotism. Political opinions are subjective based on our own experiences anyway so I see no point in arguing about feelings, there's no truth in politics, the strongest rules and decides what to do with the rest.

>NOOOOOO!! NOONE CAN BE """"""FUNNY""""" BUT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!! LE LEFT CANT MEEEEM!!!!
Not an argument.
Clearly the organization of civilization has not changed at all in the past million years. Pre-historic African hunter-gatherers were also capitalists.
Yes, that's exactly what you were doing.
You have exactly 60 seconds to provide me an example of a society or civilization that was:
>stateless
>classless
>moneyless
>and where the workers controlled the means of production

Look how far we've come in the past million years and you want to change that?

Communists don't want to "destroy" tradition, in fact most of them believe that capitalism demolishes any culture and religion that stands in its way. Just look at Americanization for a modern example of this.
>human society has been capitalist for 1,000,000 years
>human nature has not changed in 1,000,000 years
I'm not going to give you any more replies unless you want to make an actual argument.

>Human nature is shaped by society.

Human nature is a thing and we do have urges and needs. Upbringing does nothing but shape these our nature, but you can never change human nature completely, especially when it comes it comes to certain kinds of people who are psychopaths and narcissists. Can you shape an autist into a normal human being? Sure to a certain extend, but an autist will always feel out of place, no matter the amount of schooling you give the person. Isn't it the same thing with an narcissist? A lot of human nature is shaped by our genes, and denying this fact is denying everything that makes us human.

It doesn't matter how good an argument I give you won't listen to anything.

You'll grow out of it mate, it's a phase, I went through it too when I was a young NEET basically because I was a lazy cunt who wanted material possessions without working for them.

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I could tolerate "communism" but only in such form as it exists in China: only in symbolic, propaganda and social way, but with capitalistic and free market economy. I wouldn't mind my country to have red flag with hammer and sickle as long as i lived in a fast growing and successful capitalist country such as China.

American culture produces a huge amount of narcissists though. Culture has a huge effectt on the way people are. Besides I don't understand what aspects of human nature are incompatible with communism. I'm anti-communism but I don't think this is a good criticism

So what's your point here? Instead of rewarding psychopaths and sociopaths we should lock them up, just like we do with pedophiles and rapists

>Communists don't want to "destroy" tradition, in fact most of them believe that capitalism demolishes any culture and religion that stands in its way.
Jesus Christ. You haven't read anything about communism in practice have you? Kmher Rouge ring a bell, Cultural Revolution mean anything by you? Are all of you Western Communists this fucking stupid?

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>Jesus Christ. You haven't read anything about communism in practice have you? Kmher Rouge ring a bell, Cultural Revolution mean anything by you? Are all of you Western Communists this fucking stupid?

He probably thinks that communism was such a system as we had in Poland in 70s, so we had limited free speech, limited commercialized economy and we could even take billions dollars of loans from the USA that we never paid anyway. This guy probably has no idea how genocidal the communism was in its real form in period 30s-50s

Because capitalism has become unbeatable and any struggle against it helps it to continue its existence.

Now, historical context isn't favorable for any exit from the capitalist trap.

But that doesn't mean that I don't hate capitalism, nationalists, traditionalists and different types of this shit. And that I'm not trying to make other people hate them.

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What makes you think psychos and socios wont lead Communism?

I enjoy food and quality of life

Violence and murder as well as domination attracts the worst of mankind, serial killers etc... Thats who will rule you in a violent revolution.

Are you really posting this while arguing for a system that brought Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin and the Kim dynasty to absolute power?

None of them ever do. These people are such a fucking embarrassment, trying to argue about Communism with people who live in countries held back for decades by it, I'm genuinely sorry you have to see people spew this nonsense.

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That communism doesn't work? You are giving them an enormous advantage. Most narcissists and psychopaths can function in society, but don't you think at least a sizeable proportion of them can take advantage of the situation if you allow them to? That's what communism allows.

Look at at any credible study of the human brain or human nature and you'll see that human nature exists. We aren't blank slates, and there is hardware underneath the surface. Where do you think language comes from? Morality? It's all a part of human nature, you might change some things and bring about other parts, but you can never change all parts, and that's what communism expects. As I said earlier, unless you can somehow euthanize every bad individual and make sure that every person gets a "perfect upbringing", then communism won't work.

>None of them ever do. These people are such a fucking embarrassment, trying to argue about Communism with people who live in countries held back for decades by it, I'm genuinely sorry you have to see people spew this nonsense.

Communism here in years 70s-80s was already so soaked with Western ideas, democratic feelings, free speech, human rights and partial commercialisation that it was more similar to welfare state than to a real communist state. Real communism existed in years 20s-50s and it was fucking genocidal horror that was executing millions of people, exploiting them in death-work camps called "Gulag" and depriving human beings of any dignity. Unfortunately people who lived in this period die everyday, so after 2 or 3 decades there will be not even single witness of these times.