What does Sup Forums think of universal health care?

What does Sup Forums think of universal health care?

yeah waiting in line 6 hours to beg for a xanax script is great

A death panel put granma to sleep recently cuz she was too old

#JustCanadianThings

Should not be given to people who fucks their own health up, i.e. drug abuse/fattys/smokers/NEETs

Keep in shape and contribute to society = free healthcare
Be a leech and fuck up your body = you deserve to die

It's great when it works. It fucking sucks dick when it doesn't. If it takes you 5 years for that surgery to happen, it's not worth it.

I actually agree with it. I'm more National Socialist leaning, I also don't believe Banks should be private, that is, they should be run by government administrators who get payed regular salaries no different than the DMV et cetera

Healthcare reform first, then when the prices aren't marked up 5000% we can talk about tax payer involvement.

This. The few things that I think these people should get for free are abortion and sterilization. Natural selection.

It's awful. I pay in taxes as much as you pay for health insurance, probably more. I broke my arm in a workplace accident and I had to wait almost 7 hours to even get into the emergency room.

Its good but america is built on a different system and if you guys wabt to implement it you must do it slow and steady while stopping immigration cos that destroyed our NHS

Its pretty good, if your country isn't filled with various shitskins that don't pay taxes, and your country can afford it, that is.

Shit....utilize free markets across state lines and get lowest possible prices in health care.

>bureaucrats in charge of capital allocation

investment banks should remain prIvate and be deconsolidated by the government.

perhaps depository/lending banks should be government owned. it would streamline a lot of central bank activity.

capital allocation is so much more effective when the allocator has something to lose and something to gain. it forces better and fairer allocation of capital.

mandatory

The government should not force programs onto people. The free market can provide cheaper and more effective services for those who want them.

Muhammad, when you are right you are right.

Might work if we didn't have a large amount of niggers, white trash, and spics.

I'd be fine with it if people who drank soda and liquor, smoked, and didn't exercise got lowest priority for care.

terrible idea not just because of economics but because we are about to lose the war with infection once our last-resort antibiotics become obsolete and the field of medicine gets sent back to 1927. Once people start dying from infected paper-cuts the strain will be too much and the entire system will break. with privatized health care at least the rich will survive.

don't want my tax money going towards jamal's gunshot wound hospital bills

I think it potentially could exist in a perfect nation; like Plato's republic, so it exists in an ideal world, but so do a lot of things.

but haven't you heard, even the ceo of epipen doesn't know why their product costs so much now

You keep saying 'free;' I don't think that means what you think it means

how does that differ from you having insurance now?

Nah I think that banks should be 75% nationalized, meaning 75% of the profits get re-invested into infastructure, and the other percentages are profits, which would maintain incentives for bankers to be the best Jews they could be

Should always exist in some form, but there should always be the option change it to private healthcare if you can afford higher quality, plus this way the government doesn't have the entire population by the balls (see Saul Alinsky)

So in short, Bismarck system

Also . Same way welfare broke the black family in USA because it was easier to live from single mother status, People can irresponsibly destroy their bodies for decades and then come laughing to the hospital and demand to be cared for the rest of their lives.

I also don't believe in profits for banks, NO INTEREST.

what this guy said
could be a transitional move to a real society.

It obviously works better so everyone against it is literally an idiot.

It's shit and it doesnt work.

It's overbloated, it takes 2 weeks to see a GP so everyone goes to the emergency room and shits it up instead or go to free clinics where you wait 16 hours.

so its no different

provide it to taxpayers
keep private option

Yeah that's why America is below 30 in healthcare quality rankings despite spending the most per capita, but UK and France are top 10.
And I refuse to believe you need 2 weeks to see a GP in UK but in fucking Montenegro you need like one day (you call and you get scheduled tomorrow, or you can go same day without scheduling and wait a bit).

b-but the government has infinite resources, right?

most of Sup Forums votes against their own economic interests so you shouldnt ask here

How many millions of elderly pakis and niggers do you have?

Not just against their own, against economic interests of their entire society.
Most of Sup Forums supports idiotic practices that are fucking up their countries not just in economic sense.
It's because people here don't know shit about anything but feel the need to be against anything supported by liberals or socialists, even when it makes some sense with some modifications and withing different framework.

Well that's a crazy situation. But when 4 aspirins costs $20 and a band-aid costs $7 when you visit a hospital, something is up and the country will go flat broke funding it. Even healthcare costs have doubled with realizing we can't sustain this price bloat. It will just keep going up and we shouldn't even have universal care until we put a stop to this shit.

>Well that's a crazy situation.

are you sure about that

Irrelevant, you have more doctors per capita than we do. You have far better conditions and funding.
Again, I think you're talking out of your ass because it's literally impossible that healthcare system here is functioning better than NHS.

Personally I love the NHS but with a country as big as america it would be very hard to implement, that and it's super fucking expensive. I work in a hospital and the people you see who abuse the system is disgusting. Because it's free people think they can do whatever they want. People walk out without telling people, making wait times longer, abuse and attack staff and take everything for granted. You bet your ass if you're paying for an MRI you're going to turn up to it. I'm sick of people taking up a 45 - 60 minute slot and not turning up to it because when the porter came to collect them they decided going out for a fag was more important.

Bad idea.

Rationing, inefficiency, crappy wait times, provable gaps in care, and higher taxes.

I come from the blackest and fattest state in America. Comprehensive universal healthcare financed by the taxpayer and free at the point of delivery is an idea I'd be open to if 1) people made better choices with their lives and 2) everyone would pull their own weight and actually contribute instead of taking, taking, and taking some more.

That's why they instituted paying for some exams here. It's symbolic but it deters pensioners and other idiots from coming every day just because they have nothing better to do.
>I'm sick of people taking up a 45 - 60 minute slot
Don't they just call out the next one?

>Even the Swedish get it

Niggers already have it.I see it every week.Its right there under my contribution for my private insurance.Medicare deduction.

Horrid statism.

is nice 4 the important things is disgusting pay for make a trap happy

What's stopping corporations from merging? Or getting together and agreeing to charge a high base rate? Or splitting up the country and "you take this area and I'll take this"?

tell me more about how you know better how well functioning my countries medical services are.

There would be no higher taxes actually, your tax would be less than what you're paying right now for private healthcare plan.
Americans already pay most per capita for healthcare.

*pay taxes

Pretty much agree with Sven on this one. Shouldn't be completely free, though.

But it should only be for Whites.

I will because like many idiots here you're literally talking out of your ass to make a dumb argument.
Unlike you I had experience with doctors and as I said it's literally impossible your system is so much worse than a system in a poor Balkan country.

>pay into the service your whole life
>get denied service because you're 1 pound overweight

I don't want to pay higher taxes so Jamal can go to the ER when he gets a cold

I kind of like the NHS, but it has some major flaws
>Massive cost to the tax payer
>Inefficiency and bureaucracy at all levels
>Gets shaken up and changed after every election
>Long waiting lists for basically everything
>Poor mental health care
>A&E understaffed and over worked
>Politicians adamantly refuse any amount of privatisation, even in places where it would reduce cost and increase efficiency because "MUH NATIONALISED HEALTHCARE"

Awful idea.

A lot of people don't care about their health or wellbeing. Having to pay for their bad life choices is ridiculous. It's bad enough that insurance companies aren't allowed to deny people with pre-existing conditions as much as they use to and the whole pool has to now pay to cover their issues..

Because waiting for a porter can take up anything from 5 minutes to half an hour we have to wait to see if they turn up. Usually we try to bring the next one in if we have a day case lined up but unless we're told otherwise we're expected to wait. Either way it's a slot that could have been filled by someone who genuinely needed it but instead the government is paying for all the staff to wait around for someone who thinks smoking is more important. I was chatting with a porter about this a couple days ago. Turns out the patient that he rushed to collect because the government can't afford to put enough staff on had decided to leave the ward for a smoke without telling anyone and the worrying thing about it is that she has MRSA, a highly infectious hospital born disease. And guess what it wasn't the first time she'd done it. I just fucking hate these people. People who miss appointments like this need to be charged the full cost of the procedure.

It would be great if your country only had whites in it

It depends on where you live mate. I can get an appointment next day or sooner with my GP in not even bumfuck nowhere. Metro areas? Have fun with that fucking wait.

All of your taxes, or just a portion of your taxes? Murrifats have to pay health insurance + taxes desu.

No denying wait times though.

Also
>Can receive full sex change and hormone replacement from NHS at the cost of the tax payer.

Healthcare isn't state business

If you want free healthcare, enlist, retire, and then end up dying on a waiting list at the VA.

You know who was chairman of the VA when the most people were dying in line? Fucking Sanders.

I always think of my dumb ass "disabled" aunt on medicare who goes to a doctor 2-3 times a month and is on 10 types of medication.

The concept is nice.

I have yet to see an appropriate implementation in large scale, so in the context of the United States I am rabidly against it.

well Usa got a serius problem with the price of the doctors, the free market gives them a chance of charege a lot to save ur life and they abuse, of couse the education is expensive but have a group of public hospitals to teach new doctors and force they to do maybe 10 hours a week the first years will be fine

Ah, so no banking then.
Splendid.

The FICA that comes out of our checks is no where near what you canucks pay and even so, our medicaid and medicare are shit that aren't even accepted in most hospitals because of it's shit reimbursment and liberals want this shit to be the new standard.

>pay into the service your whole life
>never have to use it because you ate nutritious food and exercised regularly

>pay into the service your whole life
>dont take care of your body, highly increasing the risk of health problems
omg so unfair

i think fuck you. pay for your own shit.

We don't have a problem with the price, what it is that most US doctors train to have a specialty which means they can charge more for their services whereas most euro doctors don't specialize and just end up being general practitioners.

Add in the fact that people in the US can sue for mundane shit like a stitch being wrong and getting awarded millions of dollars doesn't help

Eh you can't make any system idiot-proof I guess.
And what you said about abuse, I think that's standard everywhere. I always heard those stories about how awful hospital staff is, then I went there for some time and I realized it's not the staff, it's the retarded people they have to deal with. Everyone was nice to me.

It's just edgy kiddos talking about things they don't understand. They think it's the worst thing possible to wait 2 hours for a fucking doctor check up.

>Pay into cheap service that you bought that didn't cover you for when you decided to fuck yourself up.

>Blame them for your own stupidity

implying the family members don't do this already.

I know you don't like it, but you actually need banks for infastructural investments. I know, I know. But if you didn't have banks, you would be killed by those who do.

One must maintain incentives for bankers without allowing them to take advantage of banking. Like a salesman who gets paid per sale, this is the only way to keep bankers motivated.

I get the no interest thing though. Still, the bank charges for loans. Just not interest

>It's symbolic but it deters pensioners and other idiots from coming every day just because they have nothing better to do.
This, old people use hospital waiting rooms as a place for socialization. They make up the biggest bullshit reasons to go clogg up the hospitals. They sometimes even have group friends meet up in there, lol.

Why does someone as clear headed as you still comes to this place? Your opinions are almost always completely on the spot.

There's a significant difference between your immediate family making such a monumental decision and a faceless unelected and unaccountable bureaucrat bean counter doing the same

Overall public health services work pretty well here and people can still get private health care if they choose. All dental care here is private and very expensive to the point that some people take holidays overseas to get dental work done at more reasonable prices.

>what it is that most US doctors train to have a specialty which means they can charge more for their services whereas most euro doctors don't specialize and just end up being general practitioners.
Blatant lie. source for this retarded claim?

Because funnily enough if you tell me, the person who's doing your MRI that I look pregnant (even though I'm not and weigh fucking nothing) followed by a swift punch to the gut then you're damn sure I'm not going to be happy with you.

Japan has single payer, and they're not exactly famous for being bleeding heart liberals or spendthrifts.

That seems to be the norm in southern countries, friend who lives in France told me French hospitals and clinics are pretty empty compared to ours.
>Your opinions are almost always completely on the spot
Maybe it's because we have similar opinions and worldview kek

Why all the propaganda about your health system being good then?

Universal healthcare or free university will never be a reality in the us. (((They))) have to make sure the american poor have little options other than joining the military to get these things. It's how they keep the military stocked with the freshest of good goyim ready to die for Israel. Note how quickly both sides of the isle of dog shat on that socialist kike sanders for suggesting single payer and free state universities. It threatens the safety of Israel and the military industrial complex.

>all the propaganda
Because it's not propaganda. Canada probably as one of the top 5 healthcare systems

But you countrer this by believing some anonymous posts on Sup Forums. It's unbeliavable how naive some people are here

because its free. Although most medication isn't. My mom requires roughly 10-20k in medication a year and my parent's covers all of it. The government does pay for shit regarding medication.

what is
>Welfare
>Social Security

Thing is they already leech off the system, thanks to that fuckhead Reagan. He signed a law that forbids any emergency room from refusing treatment to anyone who shows up.

So guess what the nignogs do? Go to the emergency room. Of course the hospital knows the nignogs will never pay (they never do pay for anything) and the hospital has to not only make that money back but turn a profit too usually.

So they take it out of whitey's hide and whitey goes bankrupt to pay for the doctor's lexus payment and the nignog's care.

Two options, take your pick. Either roll back the law that says you have to give out free healthcare to the niggers in the emergency room OR go single payer and make all hospitals nonprofit.

Your choice. I don't really care which it is, I'm not a nigger myself. I suppose the niggers might feel differently about the situation.

If you took the 6 parenthesis and all that "da joooos" rant you would be right.

Considering I'm sitting in the ICU w/ my uninsured son right now, and wondering what this shit is gonna cost me, I'm wishing it were a reality.

I'm never gonna get out of debt.

Whatever your cuck mind wants to think faggot. I certainly don't want to pay more taxes for millennials to waste four years studying theater and letting Shaqueisha go to the ER because that fried chicken didn't go down right last night

you are fucked

fate worse than death

According to WHO who bases their standards on countries who have a national health care system. Which is why we come in last even though we offer better care since we don't just dole it out at a moments notice to poorfags

Why are the commies always Portuguese or spanish?

It's shit. Competition between private businesses = better quality

Move it all into bitcoins and make yourself judgement proof. Once they figure that out, they'll leave you alone. Probably will ding your credit to hell though. Get used to paying for everything with cash.

That sucks, I never hear comments about NZ healthcare system, I think its pretty much perfect. Our medications are very well funded, public surgeries are pretty shit but acceptable relative to our resources.