Russians

Do you russians view yourselves as europeans? Or as something else? I noticed a lot of russians talking about "europeans" as something apart when mocking them.

How about other slavs? What do you view yourselves as? Do you agree with this or only russians fall on this thing?

Imo you are europeans in the same way that greeks, swedes and basques are but from my experience I notice something "oriental" in russians. My relative is married to a russian woman (ethnic russian, blonde blue eyes, not siberian) and her behaviour is more like a japanese woman than an european one. At their wedding there were a lot of russian girls and behaved the same.

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>I noticed a lot of russians talking about "europeans" as something apart when mocking them.
Brits do this too (even before Brexit vote)

Thanks

I thought it was more like a 'joke' in regards to not being part of the EU anymore

Personal opinion:
It's always been love/hate relationship. Russia always been enamoured with the european culture and strived to be considered as equal in eyes of europeans. Europeans always looked down on Russia and every advance was met with justified "lol wat" response. Russia then went on "fuck you guys, i'm going to build my own theme park with blackjack and hookers" but after awhile came back "am I good enough now?" and cycle restarted.

I think we currently on rejection phase.

Thanks for your reply.

Would you think that its europeans the ones viewing russians a "non europeans" or russians themselves considering europeans as something foreign?

Remote europeans, remote asians... russians are russians.

i hope they view themselves as russian (if they are russian) and not european like some hippie cuck

Depends on current politic climate I guess.

I think we always build up our society while throwing glances toward Europe. Revolutions in Russia IMO, always been fueled by a desire to be on the same level as Europeans/West. It's always been constant catch up game. Imagine a train of progress and western world sitting inside of it. Train sets off station and then Russian rushes out and cries "wait for me!" and start running after it. After awhile we catch up with the train and grab on the handrails. But considering how much energy we spent to get here we eventually get exhausted and fall off from it.

Moskovites are in fact genetically European for the most part. I'm pretty sure that's how it's generally viewed in Russia as well.

We use it to refer to the continent

Russians use it to differentiate between them on a political and social basis. Which makes sense.

Russians are more white than any nigger Schmidt ever will be.

They're semi mongoloid

Russians are the Europeans who want to do nothing with Europe and want live in Russia. They're the same as Americans.

>ethnic russian, blonde blue eyes, not siberian

Okay, nigger. Now explain me how Russians in Siberia differ from Russians in European part?

THe problem with Russia is they have had too many *stans for too lang.

Yester there was a webm heavy thread about Moscow and other Russian cities. Sandniggers and Turkroaches were aboard.

Real Russians are a Scandinavian Slavic/Germanic combination.

Not a bad mix too be honest.

Slavs are alright.
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I have this cherished theory that human dynamics function in line with the polarities of the Earth.

Bare with me.

From East to West there runs a masculine or 'positive' charge that causes men to possess a stronger charge of Masculine characteristics and from the West a Feminine or 'negative' aspect. This translates as the East seeking but not necessarily caring to much for the West's approval, and from the West, an earnest desire to have more of that attention but being bitter and resentful when it is desperate enough. Kind of like the realtionships between men and women.

What do you think?

I'm not Polish, I'm from Britain but I know Poles and it puzzles me that they aren't more your kin. I ask them about this and specifically if they regard you as Europeans and the men seem sad to say 'not really but the women are enthusiastic in their opinion that you are NOT. It feeds my theory.

Would you say that Men run society in Russia. It's always been my feeling that Women are in charge here and it seems like they *allow* men the illusion they are in charge.

*not desperate enough

Serb here

We generally refer to "Europe" as the EU countries. We're different to Western/Central Europeans, so the distinction also makes sense. Pretty much everything about Eastern Euros and the other Euros is different, so yeah.

I'm guessing Russians do the same

>We're different to Western/Central Europeans

Can you elaborate on what makes you different?

how have they not killed vitas, he is obviously homosexual

Everything from our language and appereances to our religion, with a select few exceptions of course.

We're entirely different peoples, really, even though we're both slavs

Russian people have developed their own personality/culture. They are a lot more emotional than shown in hollywood. Very family orientated. Soviet Russia made them who they are today. Look at the old Russia empire and that was 110% European.

This is kind of confusing to anyone who thinks about this stuff. Europeans all look the same you see but you say, "appearnaces" like you truly believe it. Are you talking about national costume or something because this seems nuts to me.

I can accept your cultures are different and this is very important but you have to admit they aren't greatly different, surely.

Just what is it that causes Euros to be so antagonistic toward one another? It's fucking baffling.

I can tell the difference between a serb(or Yugoslavean I guess), a Greek, a polack and a frenchman. It's the subtle differences that most people don't notice, like how every Jap, Korean and Chinese looks identical until you've lived here for a bit and can actually pinpoint where people are from.

By looks I mean actual physical characteristics, not just clothing or whatever

>Just what is it that causes Euros to be so antagonistic toward one another? It's fucking baffling.

This one. Also what are you doing in Japan?

I've personally never liked the French but I have no grudges for anyone else. Why others have grudges is anyones guess, I also never understood it.

I've lived in Japan for 16 years, since I was 9. Parents got moved here thanks to their jobs

russians are neither slavs nor europeans, not even human

How strong is your sense of Identity? Have you been back to Serbia for any reason and how did you fit in? I went to the Balkans and met some kids in Bosnia, they think serbs are crazy btw, and one of these kids was sent to london for the duration of the War and you could see he didn't fit in with the other kids anymore.

This is true desu now that I think about it. I can tell a pole from a Lithuanian from a mile off for example but I can't exactly put my finger on how. Same goes for people at the north of Scotland, they look different from people on the West coast. Just subtle differences depending on where their ancestors came from; Northeners tend to be of Scandinavian origin whereas people on the West coast are darker featured because of Celtic influence (Mass migration to shipyards). Obviously there are exceptions but generally there are subtle differences.

When you notice it on a small scale, it becomes easier to notice it on a larger one.

Honestly we talk about europeans the same way, as a different group from us all together. Only the few that are all out globalist of us consider themselves European first before Swedish or even Scandic

Dostoyevsky is european, far more than Hitler

I think of myself as a Jap. I was raised Serbian but in the end of the day I've been educated as a Jap and treated as one since pretty much always. I know Japanese better than I know Serbian.

Me and Serbs back home don't get along too well. Lots of serbs my age have some sort of pent up rage and angst towards the world and have a defeatist mindset. It just seems as if all hope is lost for them, and it makes me too depressed to try and interact with them to any effect.

Serbs abroad are usually pretty cool, though

Of course they're Europeans.

They've always been entwined in their goofiness as much as the UK is.

>During the First World War (1914–1918), many monarchs of countries from both sides were closely related due to their mutual descent from either Queen Victoria, King Christian IX or both. The most commonly cited example is the fact that Nicholas, his wife, Alexandra, and Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany were all first cousins of King George V of the United Kingdom.[2][3][4] Other countries who fought against Germany in addition to Russia and the United Kingdom were Romania, whose queen-consort, Marie, wife of King Ferdinand I, was a cousin of the Kaiser, and Greece, whose queen-consort, Sophia, wife of King Constantine I, was the Kaiser's own sister.

>Additionally, King George V was a first cousin, through King Christian IX, of both Tsar Nicholas II of Russia and King Constantine I of Greece. Shortly before the end of the war, Nicholas, his wife and children were executed by the Bolsheviks. Other first cousins of George V, whose countries were neutral during the war, were King Christian X of Denmark, Queen Victoria Eugenie of Spain (queen-consort of King Alfonso XIII) and King Haakon VII of Norway (who was also George's brother-in-law via his marriage to George's sister, Maud).

I can buy that, I guess.
>"am I good enough now?"
Better than Europe itself right now, kek

sure, José.

I understand you think it's like this, since this seems to be the official narrative in history books. I'm sorry/glad to say it's not. You are just too powerful. Lot's of nice vast rich land that our hidden rulers want.

Russians are radioactive mongol rape babies so who cares what they think or if they think at all?

The way you say "Jap" causes me to wonder how you *feel* about it. How are you regarded by the Japanese and do you have any identity issues that affect yoru self-esteem or anything else you can mention? Do you have an exaggerated politeness and formality as I imagine the Japanese to have and are there any restrictions on your activities as a foreigner?

>I'm from Britain but I know Poles and it puzzles me that they aren't more your kin.
I think it really comes back to religious identity. We're talking centuries of these ethnically-similar groups being conditioned to identify not with their language or racial makeup, but with the particular flavor of Christianity they practiced. So when religion finally shifted to the back burner through the 20th century, they each had already developed their own distinct respective sense of identity and largely forgotten their ancient kinship.

Hell, just look at the Yugoslav wars. Same shit.

I agree, but our rulers didn't seem to see it that way (everyone after Alexandr III). Russia always was a police state in europe, keeping the countries from fighting (especially during Alexandr III). But looked up to europe in culture (after the dark ages). Russians always wanted to be accepted by them, to be treated the same way (Putin applied for nato 6 times! for eu a couple times too), this is why in the end of 90s it was decided to give up pursuing our own goals and work together, but we all remember what happened after that. now Putin leads our country with very pragmatic politics, doesn't care about shit except Russia, we leave everyone alone as long we are left alone

We're undeniably Eurasian at this point.

Zhirik always said we need to forget europe and move south. It has always been this role, the middle between west and east, taking best from both sides

>now Putin leads our country with very pragmatic politics

Like keeping open borders with CIS countries for 15 YEARS STRAIGHT so that all dregs from Asia Minor can move here and push out 22 mln people who did menial jobs below the poverty line?

yes, yes, very "pragmatic"

fucking shill

you will probably be fragmented once liberalism sets in your country, then exploited. the people will get iphones and burgers though

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>iphones and burgers

Proxy shill spotted. Come up with new memes already holy shit

I am filthy subhuman toilet cleaner who should be put into a camp to arbeit make me free.

>How about other slavs? What do you view yourselves as?
As subhuman albino nigger ape.

Why does Sup Forums attract those with Self Loathing?

>me too

>so that all dregs from Asia Minor can move here

Haha I remember reading up on it. Despite what Russians say, they are just as cucked as America. Their Muslims are essentially like our niggers, and the "Mexicans" are all the illegal Asian immigrants.

it doesn't mean we need to break contacts right away, we're not fully independent, so as long as it's like this, borders gonna be open. but the immigrants can only work illegally, who cares? they can't buy estate, cars, "steal" high salary jobs, they can't do shit essentially. Rules are getting stricter and stricter. We need to transform slowly, no more revolutions, no more chaos, just nice and slow and we'll get there eventually.

1) cuckropeans funny, we do not have attitude to them is for sure
2) all other slavs assimilated degenerate shit, except poles

Nothing to do with self loathing . Just being a realist. If you objectively look at slav countries and its people you'd see it's all shit.

>2) all other slavs assimilated degenerate shit, except poles

explain this

mate, you need to go to Paris, London or pretty much any of those country's major centres of population.

>just nice and slow and we'll get there eventually.

No, that means we will get there never while driving up income ineqality and new rotations of Putin's friends of his friend's judo buddies getting fat of the budget. Nice plan there, Mr. "Don't Rock the Boat". Your comprador cowardy attitudes sicken me.

>We need to transform slowly, no more revolutions, no more chaos

Next chaos will happen when the real estate bubble blows up , not because of political reasons.

You can then placate some angy Vasya the chop shop mechanic with your centrist rethoric, while he beats your fucking head in with a car jack.

This

They're populated with sandniggers. What's your point? To me that just shows how merciful and high tolerance whites have.

>talking about "europeans" as something apart when mocking them

Everyone not in core EU does this desu

explain that? everything is obvious, look at the bulgarians and the serbs, one name left from slavs, you too with a taste of shit, but you have still have a chance.

Vitas transcends sexuality.

>you have still have a chance

why?

If we close borders count of migrants will increase.

You wouldn't know it if you watch the BBC but the UK is disintegrating. Each of the Country's of the Union now have their own political chamber and if (what the fuck am I saying?) WHEN Britain leaves the EU Scotland will jump. It is a matter of time before the rest of the countries of the Union do likewise leaving Northern Ireland in a politically untenable position and the Ulster Scots who comprise the Unionist population will have to assert one Identity or the other.

Since living in Europe I've come to realise how little Europeans seem to know about their own continent. It's pretty fucking depressing I have to say.

And breaking windows creates jobs because people will have to fix them, right? Cool story, John Maynard Keynes.

>whites

No such thing. Europeans seem congenitally unable to tolerate each other.

Do you believe a Liberal system of democracy and Goverment can work in Russia? Wouldn't it be the case that your flavour of Buddies would get into the cushy seats and you'd have the same problems you do now?

How true is it that Russia *Needs* a strong Man at it's head for the country to be, maybe not happy but at least content?

what a waste of checkem

>Everyone who dislikes saffing the administration with literal retards who don't know how to run a country must be le liberal

oh you're one of those

>every ligeslation passed benefits the controlling organ top skim and not the citizen to be protected from unfair mistreatment by the state

hey but at least we're content, right? fucking dicksucking Russiaboos, come on over here and try to open a under 1 mln rubles business with the current legislative framework in place, i'll see how content you are

we have people fucking suiciding and taking hostages in banks because of rising bankruptcies

fucking Russiaboos gay for Putin's dick thinking he's some Pinochet/Franco (lol i wish), telling me how life in MY country is. Get the fuck out, seriously.

Katsos Kokoomuksen uusliberalistit ja vihreä puistopartio kerkes paikalle.

Dear white friend. It's not about self-reflexion on whether Russians are European or not. It's about demographics and as Russia is very big your question can be answered very quickly. The western part of Russia is dominated by european culture and european-looking people. The eastern and middle part is dominated by other ethnicities including people of European decent (There were many German people in Siberia after the resettlement in the 1940's). Nowadays there are many mongolic people and Chinese in the eastern parts of Russia.

So this leads us to the question why most (european) Russians behave like niggers. Why everything done in Russia is shit and why every worker tries to fuck his company, his employeer or the state. Why everybody and his mum is corrupt and why there is still no European standard in Russia. Only time will tell I believe. There is a certain kind of politeness in every German, Swedish, Dutch. It's mostly missing yet in Russians. It's getting better but it will take some time. This social retardness is exactly what socialism and bolshevism accomplish.

So what? Are you acvocating Fascism? Look, any romantic approval for Russia *Now* is because we've become aware that during the Cold War, it was America and Capitalism was the antagonist and Russia, through it's revolution and introduction of Socialiam was the catalyst for Socialism everywhere during that period.

You're shouting a lot but you're not saying much to enlighten people about Russia now. You have to realise that Russia *now* is perceived, by me anyway, of curbing American Fascism and Putin *appears* to be running circles around the Americans and cock blocking their desire to set the fucking world on fire.

YES, I like Russia but it's because of the things I mentioned above AND Doctor Zhivago.

I'd like to be better infomed.

Historical and politically We are apart from Europe. We even chose Orthodox Christianity so we wont obey the Pope.
Before Peter The Great We were pretty much authentic culture that was neither Asian or European, We were the third party.

However right now we're very westernized people with western values and shit.
There are a few cultural ethical things but not much.

We just arent brainwashed with all the cuckery and acceptance like "Europe" is, thats why We talk like we're apart.
We're not on suicidal virtue ideology.

I'm from Saint-Petersburg, so that makes me a fairly European person; the city is hailed as the cultural capital of Russia, and the city-centre is pure Europe.
Pic is the Griboedov Channel with the Christ the Saviour cathedral.

I think that has mostly to do with the fact that you always fight for the people who killed 66 million of your own Christian Russians during ww2.

>Do you russians view yourselves as europeans?
Yep, we associate ourselves with european culture, but we're a separate civillization with it's own twisted mentality which is by no means close to asian maybe except a larger lean to socialism rather than individualism.

I think Russia's geography kinda puts it at odds with all of humanity. And vodka, fuckin bastards

you mean collectivism and not individualism

>collectivism
That's the word. Thanks.

>Bare with me
>Bare
It's bear, you snot-nosed brit whelp.

He means mongols, they are not really russians.

thats the thing, there are Poccиянин/Rossiyanin and there are Pyccкий/Russkiy (those are the real Russians)

I could easy pick a greek from an irishman and a slav from a spaniard