Do you consider a half-brother a brother?

Do you consider a half-brother a brother?

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lol the girl my brother just broke up with would get super pissed at him if he called her half-sisters "half-sisters" instead of just "sisters" so I guess yeah.

I call my half-brothers and sisters (legit bastards kek) half-siblings and they also get angry

never will consider them siblings but they consider me

if they're a brother, they're a brother

>tfw Robb legitimizes Jon as his trueborn brother as his final act

Only if he's from the same father.

depends if you were raised together in the same household or if you found out at age 30 that your dad had an affair and sired a half brother you never met

I think for most people it's dependent on the situation. If you're really close with someone, wether they are a half-sibling or not, most people would probably consider them damn near close to family.

Yes. That doesn't mean you have to be close or in friendly terms with him.

What said. If we grew up together, yeah. Otherwise they're some sort of cousin-type relative to me at best.

You can tell Jon is a true sibling to all the Starks, which probably pissed off Catelyn even more. I wonder if her feelings toward him changed much by the end of her storyline. Been too fucking long since I read this shit lol

could that actually be a thing in the books since Lady Stoneheart is a thing? She knows Robb legitimized him right? Would that fuck with him being a legit Targ?

>never will consider them siblings but they consider me
This. Considering half-siblings full siblings is for the weak.

do you use bastard names for them?

He's not a legit Targ in the books. Even if Rhaegar is his father.

it would make him heir to the iron throne and also heir to Robb's northern/riverlands insurrection

She has no actual power left. She's effectively just a Frey killing witch now.

No. Even right before they died Cat objected to saving House Stark through Jon. Robb was smart enough to tell her to fuck off. Best scene in the books seeing her utterly beaten like that.

i've got much older half-siblings and there's no closeness at all. when we became adults they stopped treating me like family. i've heard of instances like this from a few other people. maybe it's different if you're closer in age and grew up together.

i'm so lonely. i wish i had a big, loyal family.

maybe if I grew up with them but since i never see them no. Kinda wish i had a cool half bro like Jon Snow.

He's not even his half-brother. They're cousins.

Are you a bastard?

Well it sounds incredibly gay but I think of my closest friends as brothers so why not

I too like to suck my brother's cock.

>tfw living with 5 relatives

grandmother, grandfather, mother, aunt and cousin

I suppose. Like the consigliere in The Godfather.

I have a daughter and a step-son, and everyone just calls them brother and sister and that's how they refer to each other. It's just a matter of how close you were growing up.

Oh yeah that's right. Dang, you gotta admire her consistency at least. Cat haters were too hard on her, her anger makes a lot of sense in the context of the expectations of her society. It would have been really sugarcoated to have her love Jon despite what he represents.

No because that would mean one of my parents was a cuck

I have an irl little brother that is technically only a half brother.

The fact that I just referred to him as a half brother seriously bothers me.

I'd fucking die for that kid. He's one of the only reasons I haven't killed myself yet.

I have a half-brother, and I don't see the point in considering him a "half-brother."

>my wife's son

>platonic male intimacy is lame/deviant

It's too bad society thinks this way.

My father and mother already had a son each before marrying each other. Both of them considered me their true brothers and each other good friends.

One of them died, but the other still tries to keep in touch and help me despite i never asking. I am proud to call him my brother and try to do everything to help him and his family, his wife and my nephews. I'll never let that bond brake.

Don't beat yourself up, it was just a fact to state a point. Family is as much belief as blood.

The funny thing is all her hate was misdirected. She hated Jon because she thought he was Ned's bastard. Turns out he was her nephew. If she had known she probably would have loved him as a son. But Ned didn't trust his wife enough to let her in on the secret.

no. my parents were both previously married and i'm the youngest. if i were a bastard i could just accept that and let it fuel my ambition like Arnold's Mexican kid.

I have two much older half brothers and a half sister.

I wasn't told they were from a previous marriage until I was 14. I still just refer to them and normal brothers and sister.

>let Cuck meme

I have a half-brother and we're extremely close. His dad died when he was a child, though, and our mother remarried, so none of us is a bastard. I wouldn't consider a bastard brother a brother at all.

Ned was right not to tell her. In the books Cat is a massive impulsive retard that acts without a second of doubt. She got Ned killed, she got Robb killed and she almost got Sansa killed her raising her as a retard. Finally House Stark can recover with her dead.

I think that half-brothers are brothers in every sense of the word. I don't give a fuck who my father fucks or who my mother lets cum inside her. That's their business. What matters is whatever kid or man that came from, have a blood connection to me. They will or are my brother in every sense of the word.

Why was Cat such a cunt? All she ever does is lash out at people who don't deserve it. Jon, Tyrion, Walder's son, Brienne all get seriously fucked over by her.

Depends on the parent we don't share. If miscegenation occurred then they would probably be too genetically different. If not then yes.

Yeah, that's the dramatic irony that I think underpins the series in general. Many of the characters would have made totally different decisions and even led completely different lives if they actually knew all the facts. It's an extension of his unreliable narrator useage. The whole "history is built on misunderstandings" meme.

>Finally House Stark can recover with her dead.
lady stoneheart :^)

>woman gets pissed at man for calling something what it is
what a shocker

Nope. I'd fuck my half-sister if I had one.

The thing is Ned did trust her enough to know she would have treated him as a son had she known the truth. That's way he didn't tell her. He wanted Jon to take the black. That's also way he didn't ask Robert to legitimize him.

You'd fuck you sister if had one as well.

I'd fuck a white walker. imagine the chill on you're shaft

Her big mistakes were listening to her sister (who she thought she could trust because Tully's a intensely loyal) & jumping on the Tyrion guilt train. They may have been compulsive, but she literally sliced her hands open desperately trying to prevent the knife from killing Bran after already almost losing him, I don't think it's that unreasonable for her to be compelled to act. The pressure to act and do it decisively in that kind of society is /immense/. And she def didn't get Robb killed, that was all him. I don't know what she did to Sansa besides try to raise her to best get along in society according to what was expected of her. And Ned 100% got himself killed. He was even warned by multiple people to be smarter.

Why is her acting on honor & duty in stupid ways any worse than Ned acting on honor & duty in stupid ways?

She didn't know Tyrion from a hole in the ground, she just knew his rep and his family affiliation. No one is free of those kind of biases. We only know they didn't deserve it because we have their POV chapters. I don't recall her being that bad to Brienne until she became a crazy zombie though.

>He wanted Jon to take the black.
No he didn't. He had raised Jon to be with Robb and help him rule. It was Cat urging him to let Jon go the wall. If Jon had gone south with Robb, they would be an unstoppable force of nature on the Lannisters. Robb could split his troops giving the other half to Snow instead of Bolton that later betrayed that trust.

My half sister is just my sister.

Kinda sucks, but it really is the only way to keep Jon safe, take him out of the line succession. Good point that she may not have let him do that if she knew.

Only on a cold winter day though otherwise the smell would be terrible.

Cat didn't hate Jon just because he was a bastard boy she thought Ned had fathered. It's ignoring all context. Ned isn't the type of man who'd father a bastard, Bobby B was, but it wasn't in character for Ned to do something like that. Cat & Bobby B both thought that whoever made Ned forget his honour must have been really special to him. Ned would shut down Cat every time she inquired. Every time she saw Jon she saw the woman Ned forsook everything he held valuable for and came to the conclusion that he must have loved her (which he did, ironically).

I just started reading GoT again and fuck it is sad reading the conversations about the whole affair knowing what actually happened. Ned was too good man.

Her husband, her father and, to her knowledge, Bran, Rickon and Arya are all dead, with Salsa in the hands of the Lannisters about to be bred by Tyrion. Her new home was also burnt down and the North is losing the war after Robb's idiot decision. Everything important to her other than Robb her uncle and Edmure has been taken or destroyed. Cat gets a lot of hate but she doesn't deserve most of it desu. Taking Tyrion was pretty stupid though I will admit (although that plot was also pushed along by Littlefinger to fool her into thinking it was Tyrion so Cat isn't entirely at fault there).

The Tully words are literally family, duty, honour.

What do people imagine Cat looks like while reading the books? I hate that I read them after the show started. Now I can never separate the actors from what I imagine the character looks like. This especially sucks for Arya.

>And she def didn't get Robb killed
She urged Robb to give Bolton the infantry despite him mistrusting Bolton and wanting to keep him close instead.

She freed Jaime in a selfish act that opened the way for Tywin to pull a Red Wedding

She sold almost her entire House to the Freys just to cross a bridge even though Frey is already a servant to her father.

She botched negotations with the Baratheons

She allowed Tyrells to go to the Lannisters be fleeing from Renly's camp

And so and so on.

He was, but it doesn't really make his stupidity in KL any less selfish. The same honor that made him sacrifice so much to keep Jon safe also made him put his daughters in such jeopardy and ultimately doom a lot of people, including his family. You can argue he didn't know better, but he was warned & clearly knew the grey morality of being a leader. He just thought he could have his honor & safety, and he lost both.

Exactly, and like Ned she actually tried to live up to her obligations & her legacy. People expecting her to just ignore all that and be able to make the smartest decisions aren't being reasonable.

Same ive always considered my half sister to be my sister id kill for her
But my half brother that my dad had with a white lady is pretty stupid and he has always been sensitive about it getting drunk and saying your my bro it doesnt matter that I'm a white im your bro
>sure you are honky

The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb. It doesn't matter whether related or not, a bond of friendship and love will always be superior to simple filial relations.

The Red Wedding would never have happened if Jaime remained a hostage or if she didn't bend over so completely to Freys during negotations. Robb was right to put her in some shithole castle at the end. By then he had realozed what a destructive cunt his mother was even objecting to legitimizing a son of Eddard as a Stark.

All white walkers are male you fairy

He had the agency to decide which decisions to listen to and which to ignore. No advisor is right all the time. Of course he was like 15 and she was his mother, but what idiot listens to every piece of advice but ignores the most crucial one (screwing over the Freys to marry some literal who)? The truth is he wasn't prepared to wage any kind of war and shouldn't have done it in the first place. If she was the one who pushed him to declare, then I'd say yes she got him killed. If she just went along with it while trying to protect him then it's on him.

I have a half brother, and he's closer to me than any of my other family.

The only reason to ever to call your sibling a half-brother/sister is a) when you're in a situation that for the sake of clarity requires it to be mentioned, like when you're talking about your different parents or b) you use it as an intentional slight to be a dick to them.

>He's not a legit Targ in the books. Even if Rhaegar is his father.


He is tho. Bigamy is a thing

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granted, it's 'legend', but hey there you go.

>She urged Robb to give Bolton the infantry despite him mistrusting Bolton and wanting to keep him close instead.
Roose just creeped Robb out, but he didn't have any reason not to trust him

>She freed Jaime in a selfish act that opened the way for Tywin to pull a Red Wedding

She was acting out of grief for her husband and children. It's not excusable but it is understandable, which is what Robb says in the books.

>She sold almost her entire House to the Freys just to cross a bridge even though Frey is already a servant to her father.

If they didn't cross the Twins they would have had to take the long way around which meant Jaime probably takes Riverrun and Tywin reinforces his positions. Walder was a dick and was not going to let them pass unless they agreed his marriages and squireships. If they tried to storm across they would have taken huge losses.

>She botched negotations with the Baratheons

Stannis is set in his ways and pre Battle of the Wall a dickhead who isn't fighting for the throne for a good reason. Renly is so confident that he was going to win he wasn't going to help the Starks because in the long run they dont matter to him. The B Bros were never going to make an alliance.

>She allowed Tyrells to go to the Lannisters be fleeing from Renly's camp

Renly was dead and the camp was in chaos what was she supposed to do? Randall Tarly probably took over and he would have had her in chains.

Would it bother you if they started having sex?

Is that why your best friend fucked your girlfriend

The vengeful undead female trope is a pretty good one when done right. The fact that women are so much more emotional than men feeds into the idea that they can be so overcome with grief that it manifests and effects reality.

GRR gave them outlines to how everything ends in the books. Every significant thing you see now from the wood children making walkers to jon being Aegon Targaryan is going to be legit if the books ever happened.

Which they won't

We will get Winds of Winter and then he will die.

Which we will probably never see to the end because he will likely die of heart attack or complications to diabetes.

Honestly I'm wondering how much they actually listened to & followed at this point. I think he expected them to hew more closely to his outlines, but they decided to take a little more license. That's the impression I get from his more recent reactions to the series.

I'm pretty sure he regrets giving them information and will probably change it to not be shit like the series

I don't consider a half-brother the same as a two-parent brother but fuck having to say the whole phrase "half-brother" or "half-sister" during a conversation

But we already know that the white walkers have a different origin in the books

Yeah he is butthurt they are just rushing everything without any major details and buildup.

Like the Hodor thing, he is pissed and discouraged that his 20 year long twists are just being chucked in one after the other to fill up time for the show.

Probably why he is taking so long is he is trying to make something new rather than stick to the stuff he already had cemented. Also, he probably has artist's block and can't think of anything new.

No we don't. The twist was going to be that the children of the forest made them, I guarantee it will be the same in the books.

Nah that is fake news bro, the same as he telling people he watches the show. It's just to give it legitimacy and for people to think "oh this is totally GRRM approved, can't be that bad." Willing to bet the contract was to adapt anything on paper and just that, he wasn't obliged to give them outlines and so he didn't.

do you have a link to these reactions kind sir?

asking for a friend of course.

There's some shit in the east about some anime empire that started the long night and an eastern Wall. It won't be the same.

It's implied that the walkers are as old as the children

Yeah, who knows what all goes into his slowness. Probalby some stubbornness at this point with all these snotty articles roasting him about his slowness.

I hope he does go a diff direction, but I kind of figured he would anyway, given that faegon isn't anything in the show, and they neutered the 2 biggest movers & shakers in the show.

Is it just coz they're rushing, or is it coz they aren't making the twists logically consistent?

He was originally hyped for the show, he even said something along the lines.

"I will tell you the ending if you can guess Jon Snow's biological father"

Seriously, GRR is an idiot and totally spilled the beans to those guys, you can tell based on Rhaegar and the Hodor twists that he did.

just offhand comments about not having watched the show recently, possibly ~implying~ disinterest, and an offhand comment/joke about the show being Fanfic that makes him rich.

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He's at fault here. Had 6 years to at least shit out Winds.

yeah they're actually a different species in the books. There is no Night's King, except as a legend of a Lord Commander (so someone who came after the first big war with the Others) fucking a female Other and going darth vader. GRRM apparently said the NK is no more alive in the books than Dunk & Egg or something.

Also, Littlefinger is a good guy in the books.

They state that the Others and Children of the forest are from the same place conveniently. The land of always winter.

The first men were at war with the tree folk and the tree folk were losing, likely the tree folk made the white walkers during the peace treaty and unleashed them during the Andal invasion.

based robb

Absolutely.
Source: Close to half-brother.

Same here

But the Long Night was 8000 ago, during the age of heroes. The andal invasion was much after, when the great kingdoms of the first men had already been established.

Pretty sure GRRM said recently the history of Westeros isn't actually as long as its recorded, so the thousands of years in time aren't reliable.

Well, then why the fuck are we discussing anything if the information isn't reliable?

The CoTF were from all over Westeros. The Isle of Faces is their Vatican. They even supposedly had cousin species in Essos:

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I don't know where you heard that they were from the lands of always winter. I could see them being related, but it doesn't seem likely for them to have made the Others.

I still like this old theory that was going around before the show was even on, about there being some sort of rift or like special mystical confluence from which they sprung. It makes sense with all the info about the Shadow of Asshai as its polar opposite.