During WWII the Allies bombed heavily all the major German cities (Dresden, Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, Stuttgart and so on), with the resulting loss of about 80% of the old medieval city centres. Even the birthplace of Goethe was detroyed.
Knowing that they destroyed your huge cultural heritage, how can you not hate the American/British? Same could be said about the Russians who blew up the Konigsberg castele ruins.
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Germans need to be excluded from the white race.
Nuke Israel, save every European country EXCEPT germany.
i tire of their endless bullshit
they are cucked to the point that they hate themselves so much there is no room to hate anyone else
They've been cucked so hard most are convinced they deserved it.
>Knowing that they destroyed your huge cultural heritage
and now germans are destroying the 20% left themselves. So in the end it doen't matter.
>fuck up Europe two times and currently going for a third
>they don't deserve it
What do you mean by that?
why would i?
it was war, everyone wanted to win.
i hate italia more because you dipshits couldn't do anything right while war was going on.
useless shits.
Kek nice
Maybe if they had a sliver of national pride left they would get rid of the rapefuges. Instead they bring in refuges to show the world how good they are. They don't report rapes because it's punishment for their father's sins. Because of German guilt they are committing suicide and taking Europe with it.
I really think that things like the firebombing of Dresden that had no strategic value shouldn't have happened (same with our side),but it's a war and innocents will suffer, that's just how it will always be. I am a fan of heroism and it's indisputable that there were heroes on all sides of the war.
Who I hate far more are the self hating Germans that try to destroy what's left of our cultural heritage. Whenever I see an antifa faggot with one of their Bomber Harris shirts or chanting 'never Germany' I want to do nothing but beat on them till their head has the consistency of chunky salsa which drips from my knuckles.
I hate them more than I could ever hate an enemy in a war, because there is honor in that, but none in being a traitor.
I was pretty pissed when I was still a teenager. Now at 27 years of living at the hands of German people every damage done to Germany satisfies me.
I'm ethnic German, my grandfather was SS, yet my life has resembled that of a jew in the 40s.
I hate everything about the average German.
Germans are like hyenas, they are weak and fearful when alone and only get confident in groups, where they are brutal and amoral.
They are moral relativism personified. Everything Nietzsche's Uebermensch is, they aren't. He most likely came up with the concept by defining the polar opposite of his environment. They truly are animals driven by instinct.
Fascism fits Germany like a rubber glove. It is the ideology of the weak and the cockroaches.
I wish I could get out of this shit-hole, but I didn't survive uni, it was like living with savages.
I really do see the point of some Anti-German propaganda, because this weakness of character is something that seems to be ingrained in the culture and it didn't fix itself with carpet-bombing or indoctrination with western media.
You can find all the stepping-stones to the atrocities of the second world war in the people of this country today. They are inherently disgusting people.
I just looked it up and I'm literally disgusted. I had no idea that the crazy leftists could be self-loathing to this degree.
Because they were cucked so hard afterward they've come to love us more than they love themselves.
See as an example of what I am talking about.
>fuck up Europe two times and currently going for a third
Both of those were just regular wars that escalated
We had plenty of that shit in Europe, both wars just ended up being worse than usual due to technology progressing
Well said, Hans.
They are not it is all about an excuse to be agressive. They are like skin heads but need the socially tolerable excuse.
Antifa has all the hallmarks of the weak German I'm talking about. You are not a traitor if you realise your own people are shit and not worth saving.
I don't know what that makes you, but as I said, I've had a life filled with all kinds of horrors at the hands of the "good upstanding average German".
I would even argue that it is a sign of a weak character not to grow up hating your own people in Germany. You are most likely one of the cockroaches I'm talking about.
Oh yeah and Turks aren't better, but they really do fit into Germany, they are also weak and tribalistic.
You're right. There is actually malicious intent this time around.
There is more to love about America
European culture is trash
Public discourse is laughable here.
Nice proxy you have there, Nigel.
Smashing
Calling Germans weak because our culture doesn't embrace individualism is a new one to me.
Also I am actually interested, what kind of horrors are we talking about?
There is nothing respectable in Fascism. It is per definition "the weak are strong together"
It is the ideology of a weak person who isn't capable on their own. I cannot see how anybody could regard collectivism as nothing but despicable.
Libel
Bullying with the intent to drive me to suicide, over 10 years
Harassment
Surveillance and infringing upon privacy on par with Stasi methods
I've had a shit life you can't even imagine.
The good people that did those things to me all stick together and nobody says a word.
Just as it was in 1943.
Fascism is weakness you are weak, you suck as a human being.
SÄGE
I uderstand your sentiment, but what you describe has not much to do with fascism, it is typical behaviour found in other pack animals too. .
In short fascism is the fusion if state and economical power, two different sets of laws (private and public), centralized power which may not be challenged, and a doctrine which may not be contradicted.
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>The symbolism of the fasces suggested strength through unity: a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is difficult to break
Yes, collectivism is indeed part of fascism, yet not all collectivism is fascism.
So, thinks that are illegal in Germany happened to you and therefore you blame all Germans and German culture itself, good for you.
>the fags who could have helped Europe but instead help sow it's destruction.
Yes, you suck as a human being and are German, yet not all Germans suck as human beings
which ideology does not promote that (besides ancap). The very same applies to socialism, they just don't call it fascism. (alle Räder stehen still, wennn dein starker Arm es will...)
>thus meme
From the bottom of my heart FUCK YOU TROLLING CUNT!
If you think WW1 was Germany fault than go kill yourself you ignorant fat fuck.
>country hasn't even existed for 2 centuries
>in the process of crashing Europe for a 3rd time
Thankfully I think they'll succeed in self-termination this time.
germans started the bombing of civilizans and they attacked england franse and poland!
Clearly you have discerned my true character from the wealth of information I have provided you and are now an expert on my personality.
How unlike those terrible judgemental Germans you despise.
>If you think WW1 was Germany fault than go kill yourself you ignorant fat fuck.
huh?
You seem like a nice guy.
>Knowing that they destroyed your huge cultural heritage, how can you not hate the American/British?
It's the same answer to the as to the question are all Germans evil Jew/Nigger hating Nazis.
We are not our ancestors. We can not relate to anything that happened so long ago.
To answer your question, no we don't hate the Brits, except during football matches. Yes we hate Amerifats, because they still oppress us, being a big fat dumb bully.
But to be honest, normies even like America, they love to have a vacation over there.
>self-termination
Unfortunately that is also happening in the UK and here.
Based Topham Hat
>Nuke Israel
Redcoat, you literally had a Prime Minister named Disraeli.
Also Israel was the only nation apart from the United States to come to Rhodesia and South Africa's aid in their hour of greatest need. All while you were disowning them because muh Apartheid.
because russia (mainly) and france caused it
the average german sucks american dick
>USA
brainwashed the whole German people. Spying on German citizens, politicians and companies.
Still has its army standing in Germany and lets us pay for it.
>UK
obliterated our civilians in an effort to exstinct the german race.
I hate both of your race traitors
>because russia (mainly) and france caused it
did you ever read anything about WW1 (besides spurdo comics and fictional game stuff) ?
yes, austria-hungary were going to attack serbia for killing the habsburg fag so russia started mobilizing which forced germany to defend austria-hungary, and france attacks because they hate germans and wanted elsass-lothringen and german shekels
Alright fuckers, I was talking about the prevalent culture in a fascist state, and that is one of excessive collectivism and suppression of individuality.
I chose fascism because that's what we had here and a state-administered doctrine does leave it's marks on a society long after it has vanished. Just as Atheism of East Germany has left a mark on German culture.
Have you never been in school and seen a person getting destroyed even though it was illegal?
Have you never seen a family completely isolated from society through libel even though libel is illegal.
Everybody who has lived here long enough realises that law and order don't rule society but brutes and sociopaths and naive sheep that follow them despite their atrocities. Good people die, violence flourishes.
>Calling Germans weak because our culture doesn't embrace individualism is a new one to me
That's all I needed, that's on the level of "Small loan of 1 million dollars" retarded. You have to have lived through nothing in your life and closed your eyes to all evil to utter such stupidity. I would also guess you are 10years younger than me from that post.
We will never stop.
The ARYAN will be exterminated.
so you haven't read anything. You have a huge backlog - do you read books in English [or German]?
>M-MUH DRESDEN! YOU FUCKING ETERNAL ANGLO!
>Warsaw? lol who cares XDDD :DD ^^,
swiss german, why? explain it to me since u know it 100% and experienced it
Better they all be destroyed than turned into mosques.
they're also financed by our gouvernment
all for the agenda
Iran and some other random Arab countries refused to sanction Rhodesia
Who knew that Israel and the Arab world could be on the same side of an issue?
>I chose fascism because that's what we had here and a state-administered doctrine does leave it's marks on a society long after it has vanished. Just as Atheism of East Germany has left a mark on German culture.
had? Have you mean. I am from the SW, I saw how the FRG became an outright fascist tyranny once the systemic competitor in the East vanished. Soceems and other FRGlings unirocically copy Mussolini's style of governing.
I am also an atheist, what's the problem with that?
No, unfortunately
Dresden had secret Nazi bases. It was hidden there because they never thought the Americans could ever bomb a city so beautiful.
I don't know how Germans feel about us, but I sure as hell can't stand them. It'll be a happy day for me when Berlin looks like Johannesburg.
I chöm scho drus - bin an dr' Gränzi z Waldshuet uffgwachse.
I meant whether I can recommend you some books to read, as the summary you gave about WW1 is false and unconfirmed.
GIVE ME YOUR BLOOD.
>You have to have lived through nothing in your life and closed your eyes to all evil to utter such stupidity. I would also guess you are 10years younger than me from that post.
Quite the opposite actually, I have lived through so much shit that, if anything, I have simply become numb to the things you describe as evil. Also I don't really see the point in laying blame on anyone else lose, as others won't change anyways, and especially wouldn't change because something happened to someone that isn't themselves. To me it therefore stands to reason that I am the only variable I have the power to affect. But then again I am suicidally depressed so that may not be the sunniest side of the medal.
And while I don't understand how you got to your conclusion about my age I am 28, make of that what you will.
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>Do the average German hates US and UK?
No, what do you think? They don't even hate niggers, so they certainly don't hate other whites.
>During WWII the Allies bombed heavily all the major German cities... Knowing that they destroyed your huge cultural heritage
Now I'm dead fkn srs here: When you go through the German education system, the propaganda is so perfect, removing information here and there and focussing on the right things... when you get out, you can't even explain really what culture is supposed to be and you actually believe that getting everything bombed in your country and losing 1/4 of every house in Germany is normal during war.
I asked several of my colleagues the question if they think getting all you cities destroyed was part of the war and they agreed. They even think we bombed France, Norway, Netherlands etc in the same way, basically leveling everything.
and this
i want it AND I WILL HAVE IT
Churchill bankrupted the Empire and robbed Britain's legacy with it. Some years later the whole world would see this for themselves when Britain was publicly humiliated during the Suez Crisis. Hitler never wanted to bomb Britainnia.
I would argue that post-war Germany is more liberal than under the Nazi regime. Nevertheless when I look around me I see people that seem to wish nothing more than to go back to restricting thoset individual rights again and get down with hardcore collectivism.
Many people don't have their own moral compass, so atheism in the east eroded some of the moral barometers over time. Moral relativism then becomes the logical conclusion when god is out of the picture. In a nutshell, it does have negative effects because bad people have one less reason to be good.
I have this weird urge to make things better after I've seen how bad they are
Injustice irritates me
>I would argue that post-war Germany is more liberal than under the Nazi regime.
depends on in which field, there are certainly more personal freedoms, but the policical and economical restrictions are the same.
>Nevertheless when I look around me I see people that seem to wish nothing more than to go back to restricting thoset individual rights again and get down with hardcore collectivism.
I have no idea where you see this, having a collective is a natural thing, just see how happy Germans can be if they are among themselves. I just was invited by some random metalheads for a beer and party just because I happen to have long hair too...
>Many people don't have their own moral compass, so atheism in the east eroded some of the moral barometers over time.
I went to a Catholic grammar school, if there's one thing religious people don't have then its a moral compass. In the end morality is more intact in the East than overhere even.
>Moral relativism then becomes the logical conclusion when god is out of the picture. In a nutshell, it does have negative effects because bad people have one less reason to be good.
The most morally bankrupt people are the religious ones.
I fear you and me will just have to agree to disagree. I for one don't understand the appeal of the moral absolutism you seem to wish for, not to mention that any person who acts 'good' only for fear of punishment was never good in the first place.
I am sorry that witnessing injustice irritates you so, but I feel that trying to right every wrong you see before you would be a Sisyphean Task.
I also don't understand why you seem to limit all your negative experiences down to being the fault of German culture, when I don't see any evidence that others are better in this regard.
Well... They both hate Palestinians.
same could be said of the anglos. basically island jews.
some people think it is ok you are kept under control
after all you have done to us then and now I still believe in you
you just have to understand that being a skillful engineer does not entitle you to rule the world or just, for that matter, Europe
also, I see, at least some of you, have put a lot of effort to improve, whatever it means, I believe deeply things will go better after the whole mess with immigrants will stabilize
you may blame Poland, Jews, Anglos, but let be honest: you have cause A LOT of mess in the WW2 so no wonder you do not trust the UK, the US and they do not still trust you, also remember WW2 really helped the US a lot, this should make you think
I hate Germans almost as much as I hate niggers.
Can't wait to war with them.
>I really think that things like the firebombing of Dresden that had no strategic value
They did it as the Ruskies were approaching to show off Allied airpower and stop the Slavs from getting any ideas.
half my heritage is german and i cry (not literally) for what modern germans are. So brilliant in engineering yet so autistic when it comes to politics. It would be better if you guys where nazis again desu. somehow claw your way back to dignity and self respect.
Start shit, get hit. Don't give me that Hitler dindu nuffin. We had alliances with people he invaded. I personally would have been fine with it but it's a similar situation to what spawned the Great War. Alliance chains. He should have known better.
Shame because I actually like Germans.
(Brit in France)
Ours is a fear of becoming a social outcast due to differing opinions. You'll find many working class and lower middle class are usually quite right wing in ideals but never express it unless they know someone they are with will agree.
Also Francois, what the fuck is with the driving and kids here? Seen 3 cyclists nearly get hit today, one kid walking on a small bridge in the middle of the road wouldn't move, then spat at my car as I passed.
Weird
morality comes from reciprocation and appreciation for kin like figures. A feeling of belonging and 'tribe' creates the will to further goodness aka morality. Morality does not come from religion.
Why should we hate them?
They have bombed the fucking Krauts.
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There should only be one collective that includes everybody and respects the rights of everybody. The collective itself isn't a problem, but it becomes a problem once it interferes with the rights of those outside of the collective. Which it gladly does so often. That's why "only one collective". You can't call yourself moral if you only care for your collective.
>Atheism
I agree with you, most of the people I'm talking about are religious. I've been extremely irritated that the Christian values here are basically empty. People call themselves Christians but resemble satanists.
I am a spiritual "Atheist" btw. I dislike religions
Idk. maybe you are right, that was one of my reasonings until now. People in East Germany really are nicer.
I still have the feeling that for some it is the catalyst that made them subscribe to "newer more scientific ideologies" like social darwinism and such. It's pretty hip to be a piece of shit right now, because "survival of the fittest, you know."
There are things objectively morally right and wrong. This moral relativism thing is a cancer, because people justify all atrocities with it.
Foreigners have also identified those characteristics in Germans. Rigidness in thought and convictions. A affinity for hierarchy and order and laws.
Most would say Germans aren't freethinkers compared to the French, and less concerned with the rights of the individual then the Americans.
I have verified these claims throughout my life and they hold true.
The goose-stepping mentality is very prevalent among Germans.
Morality doesn't come from the tribe it comes from intellectuals and martyrs who payed with their blood at the hands of the collective.
The tribe is the worst indicator of goodness, historically proven.
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Nah. They're cucks like the Japanese and the Vietnamese. They can't get enough of the American BBC.
>This moral relativism thing is a cancer, because people justify all atrocities with it.
Whereas nothing horrible has ever been done in the name of moral absolutism. Actually the fact that you complain about moral relativism, while at the same time bemoaning that Germans are rigid and stuck in their ways has to appear a little ironic even to you.
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Maybe your books are wrong
>There should only be one collective that includes everybody and respects the rights of everybody. The collective itself isn't a problem, but it becomes a problem once it interferes with the rights of those outside of the collective. Which it gladly does so often. That's why "only one collective". You can't call yourself moral if you only care for your collective.
the problem is the enforced collective we have now, the lack of self reliance and self determination. Freedom is a curseword overhere. The basic fact is a man neither solely is an individual - here's where the libertarians are wrong - nor solely a collective being - here's where socialists are wrong.
Morality is no scientific concept, therefor can't be defined precisely. How is caring for oneself, the own ones, the own tribe immoral?
>I agree with you, most of the people I'm talking about are religious. I've been extremely irritated that the Christian values here are basically empty. People call themselves Christians but resemble satanists.
I am a spiritual "Atheist" btw. I dislike religions
but if you read what the Bible (or any other religious booklet) is about people behave like they always behaved - except fearing no sulfur raining down from heaven. Also the freemasonic principles realized in politics and education indeed are Satanic, yes.
>Maybe your books are wrong
then this would mean all the archive material is wrong too. All the diplomatic notes, military plans and relics. The most unlikely scenario.
Actually, in WW 2 we bombed cities in Germany and Japan for a simple technical reason. A city-sized target was the smallest target that the bombers could reliably hit.
In the early stages of the war, the air forces actually tried precision bombing against discrete industrial targets. The results were usually pretty bad. In fact, a lot of the bombs came down more than a mile off target.
Both the US and the Brits finally gave up on attacking individual factories, and went after the factory workers instead. They made a much bigger target.