I have started to realize that Donald trump is trying to appeal to middle class...

I have started to realize that Donald trump is trying to appeal to middle class. What benefits does he actually have more middle class? What makes you think he will keep any of his promises with all his flip flopping? Sell me on trump.

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Trump's tax plan will level the playing field, so that there is no advantage to hiring a tax lawyer or being able to successfully sue the IRS--something that has given big business the upper hand for decades over the little guy. His tax plan will also increase the amount of money people get to spend. It is often stated that his tax plan will help the rich the most, often with the figure that the rich will have the largest cuts to their taxes as a percentage of their income; however, the lowest of Trump's three tax brackets is the one that receives the largest cut as a percentage of taxes paid to the Federal government.

His immigration policy will seriously lower crime--if by no other means, by deporting criminals who have been set free because prosecution of illegals has been halted under Obama. Just read washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/27/homland-security-releasaing-thousands-illegal-immi/ truly despicable stuff, and Hillary would continue it.

Those are the two greatest deeds Trump will give to the middle class, if elected. Of course, the whole "muh middle class" thing is bullshit. Most of the divisions of "class" are actually just people at different ages.

It's not about regulation vs. non-regulation; it's about who benefits from regulation. Hillary is the queen of regulatory capture.

assets.donaldjtrump.com/trump-tax-reform.pdf

>eliminates loopholes
>no taxes for poor people
is the gist of it

It is about regulation vs. non-regulation, becuase the "regulation" in and of itself gives rich people who can afford lawyers (and the government) a huge advantage over the average joe in court. The number of regulations is literally uncountable, even by the government (but over 10,000), and such is the evil of over-regulation: literally anyone can be punished for a law they didn't know existed, and ambitious government (and private) prosecutors can find easy targets wherever he chooses.

youtube.com/watch?v=ROclDNSFE50

wherever they choose*

I think that who benefits is what we have to look at it. It's not about this ideology vs that ideology, it's about reek peering the middle class and and the upper poor I think. I keep watching economic documentaries on Netflix about 2008 and the only thing I can think that there's is not enough real money fueling the economy, it's all debt that someone is going to get stuck with. If people could have enough money to not have to borrow for anything other then buying "a car" or "a house" we would be in much better shape. All the other side shows abortion, political correctness, religion and race are just side shows to divide the people "have nots" so they don't know they are being raped and exploited by the those that have power and wealth that they will never be able to use all of

What would your solution be?

Regulating banks has been historically beneficial to society as a whole. It wasn't till Bill Clinton deregulated banks did the fininancial bubbles start to appear

>What benefits does he actually have more middle class?

Audits of the US' FTAs

Audits of the US' immigration and visa systems

Deportation of visa overstays.

>What makes you think he will keep any of his promises with all his flip flopping?

He appealed directly using populist rhetoric to a jaded, homogeneous and easily organizable group of people with specific promises - working class white makes between 18 and 50. If he or congress fails on any of those, expect a March on DC numbering in the millions.

>Sell me on trump.
Be a man and decide for yourself you soft headed faggot

Glass stegall is what all the experts say

>I keep watching economic documentaries on Netflix about 2008
Stop. Most of it is completely unsubstantiated or discredited, and all of it is tainted by the economic perspective of the film-maker, who is seldom an actual economist or financier. You should spend your time reading accredited books and academic articles on the subject.

>muh debt slave currency
Fractional reserve banking, and the expansion of the money supply as a result, has proven to be one of the most beneficial inventions in history.

One thing that scares me about trump is that his rhetoric I fear is going to cause a another civil war. He's riling up the militant racists and making claims that he can only lose to election fraud. What are people going to do when they get pissed enough? Who's going to lead them?

>All
Some do say the mergers between the retail and investment banks may have had a disproportionate effect as toxic assets from one side acted as a contagion to the other, but other economists think that it had minimal effect, preferring to focus on interest rates since Greenspan's soft landing and government/FM^2 role in ramping up the subprime markets since the 1970s.

This next hard truth really sticks the fudge sickle of truth into the Hillary Hole and twists it around and around:

Trump is the Filthy Pecker to Hillary Clinton's Excreatable Jesus. From the looks of things, his Filthy Pecker is already destroying her Excreatable Jesus.

What would you recommend for a greater understanding on the economy? I sort of what to learn about many different models and theories so I can compare and contrast. I imagine Adam smith and Marx, got anything else I worry that the age of material may not translate well to a modern day reader

Greenspans role... Would this have anything to do with wages not keeping up with inflation?

What a filthy mouth

Have you looked at this thread at all, OP?
Also, if you're a Bernie fan, shouldn't you dislike banks or bankers? Hillary's primary lobbyists are bankers and Bill Clinton was responsible for deregulating the banks for them to exploit the people and cause the recession. Bush was simply blamed because he was president at the time, but he didn't do anything to prevent it. Just another puppet to the elites, like daddy Bush, Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton.

>Sell me on trump.
He's the meme-tier candidate that no one really wants to get elected. If you like to see your facebook friends get their jimmies rustled that's why you're voting for him.

Yeah I have been following it... And yeah I know that bill is responsible for the blow up of economy

ECON 101 is where you should start--don't ask me to google/youtube "free econ 101" for you

>wages not keeping up with inflation?
>Greenspan
pic related from ntanet.org/NTJ/65/1/ntj-v65n01p7-32-second-opinion-economic-health.pdf

Also keep in mind that most of the aggregate data about income does not adjust for the lower average income that results from low-skill immigration.

I am getting to the age that I realize that everything except the socio economic position of the greatest majority of people in the USA doesn't matter. What's good for the middle class trickles up and down

He doesnt run the Clinton Foundation. Nuff said.

Switched from Bern to Trump for this reason... Not to mention all of the assassinations and election rigging.

I'll read it thanks

This is the last post I'll engage you with.
>One thing that scares me about trump is that his rhetoric
I failed to see anything among his speeches or talking points that was any more incidinary than most other candidates, unless you are referring to how he says them.


>I fear is going to cause a another civil war.

You don't understand what is going on, do you?
Since 1960:

both parties have pushed the government further into the lives and economies of people,

The US went from having 90% of its counties being white to almost 0% of its counties being all white,

We had several horribly managed proxy wars based on lies,

Gun rights and federalism were withered away, and political correctness stifled what people could say,

Jobs moved heavily overseas,
Islam (and its radical exponents) has increased in power, death tolls, number of followers, and capital worldwide, while Europeans are shrinking and letting them in an masse.

>He's riling up the militant racists
I've been to Trump rallies. 90% are white normie suburban families.

If you're talking about US EthnoNationalists, we recognize that Trump is a civic nationalist in the vein of Eisenhower and TR, and a step in the right direction.

Look into the heritability of cognitive and behavioral traits, violent crime rates, and rates of welfare usage.

> and making claims that he can only lose to election fraud.
Well considering that:
all of the polls showing Clinton in the lead didn't match with nationwide observations of Clinton support being few, far apart, and unenthusiastic where it doesn't exist,

Clinton staffers and DNC staffers worked toward the goal of making the MSM display Sanders in a poor light,

Journalists actively sought to rally others to forsake objectivity in the face of a possible Trump victory,

CTR is a paid trolling Clinton PAC that flooded the internet and took over Reddit,

and more, it's not inaccurate.

The number and the video you posted is very misleading. 175,000 is the number of rules and regulation for ALL possible types of businesses, which is in thousands. I don't have problems with someone opening a food stand having to go through basic food hygene training and learn basic fire safety equipment.

Try living in a country where there are no regulations or no effective enforcement, ie most of Africa and Asia. You will be back in no time.

If you want to start a business, spend a few hours or at most a few days looking up all the rules and regulations you have to comply with. For the most part they make sense intuitively.

The myth of over regulation is perpetuated by the free market fundamentalists, who incidentally are the same folk who benefit from unscrupulus activities like insider trading or predatory lending.

And then people who hanever run a business fall for the over-regulation-killing-muh-jobs meme.

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>If you want to start a business, spend a few hours or at most a few days looking up all the rules and regulations you have to comply with. For the most part they make sense intuitively.
No, it takes much much longer than a few days. Have you ever tried opening or running a business? I used to manage a healthcare firm at a low level, and can say you are absofuckinglutely wrong if you think you will spend any less than two weeks (if you can afford a decent lawyer) doing the paperwork to open a business.

>Try living in a country where there are no regulations or no effective enforcement, ie most of Africa and Asia. You will be back in no time.
Actually, I believe that Norway has quite a good number of laws compared to us. You wouldn't suggest they live in anarchy, like Somalians, do you?

>ALL possible types of businesses, which is in thousands.
That's not how law works. There isn't one set of laws for "grocery stores" and another for "gun shows" and another for "horse farms". Each federal regulation must be followed by every single person in the US' jurisdiction, or you may be prosecuted.

youtube.com/watch?v=SV9m9N8gP9c

>The myth of over regulation is perpetuated by the free market fundamentalists, who incidentally are the same folk who benefit from unscrupulus activities like insider trading or predatory lending.
the fuck? People who benefit most from over-regulation are the big businesses who can actually afford to have the law understood for them.

>And then people who hanever run a business fall for the over-regulation-killing-muh-jobs meme.
Have you ever had a private sector job?

>Typos
Phone. At work.

While I'm here I guess that may not be the last post I'll engage you on

Most free market proponents believe that it is the best system for efficient allocation of resources; that said, market failures do exist.

I'm response to those people who say too many regulations exist, you seem to be creating a false dichotomy between the number and scope of those we have now, and 0.

What most people on both sides of the issue ignore is the compounding effect of Local, State, and Federal regulations.


Here's an example: during high school, I made money through a combination of selling weed, working construction, selling t shirts and sneakers (to you know you), and finding and selling scrap metal.

Marijuana is a federally recognized controlled substance.

I did not have the licences required to break and mix cement as states by my city and state.

I did not have a Vendor's Lisence to sell my printed t shirts and kicks.

It as technically illegal to pick up scrap metal from the sidewalk without the permission of the owner of the lot it was adjacent to, even if said lot was abandoned

>Technically I would have to report it to the comptroller of the state, who would take it into their custody for a period of time until claimed .... Which lets be honest was never going to happen for 10 dollars worth of cast iron