So why is it that guntards aka amerifats always talk about the second amendment when they defend their "right" to open...

So why is it that guntards aka amerifats always talk about the second amendment when they defend their "right" to open carry a minigun in school zones? The second amendment clearly says that the national militia should be REGULATED by the government. I mean, you're not a member of the militia (aka the US army) and you're certainly not well-regulated, the second amendment is clearly a form of gun control.

>A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
>A well regulated militia [...] the right of the people [in the militia] to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Is this that thing where americans think something means the opposite of what it actually means, like "i could care less", "freedom" or basically anything in the bible?

why would you append [in the militia]? was it not specified?

At the time, well-regulated meant "well-trained".

If you have not seen the documentary In Search of the Second Amendment, then you have nothing to say about this issue.

I agree, americans are retarded

tl;dr

I agree, americans are retarded

Faggot

>I mean, you're not a member of the militia (aka the US army)
Stopped reading there.
Army=/=militia. Supreme Court has ruled multiple times that milita=any citizen over 18

At the time the amendment was written, "well-regulated" meant well kept, well maintained, in order, well supplied, etc. It wasn't in reference to government regulation. Also, pic related.

Ever notice how the US and Russia don't annihilate each other with nuclear weapons? Same principle with guns. If both sides are carrying, people tend to act more civil.

I think you should actually read the second amendment, which shouldn't be difficult for you. I'm sure you can carve some time out of your day to sit back and give it a good read, perhaps when Hakim and Mohammad are fucking your wife, you swedistani cuck.

Didn't read it OP, try taking the brown muzzies dick out of your ass before you type some bullshit again.

Ya cuck.

Thank you!

You could just as easily argue that it says nothing about carrying the weapons around in public, its all about interpretation and local laws you fucking retard.

>Applauding the state in forcing you to give up your freedom and safety. Anything you want in life comes with a responsibility. Your freedom comes with the responsibility to defend it. If you want to offload that responsibility onto the state, your freedom is at its mercy.

What the fuck do you know about it Swede?
Yours is the only country in the world I can actually laugh at!
Think about that Olaf...
Sweden is even more pathetic than Canada.
Even the retard we just elected doesn't change that.

Why is it that gun grabbers still bring up this horseshit "well regulate militia" argument? This is SETTLED. FUCKING. LAW.

DC vs Heller. Google it. Read it.

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Didn't mean to greentext the whole thing, just the first sentence.

>gunphobic

This is a good point. I used to be terrified of guns and hence was mostly against gun ownership. I forced myself to handle a gun, go shooting a few times, and now that the phobia and fear is gone, they dont bother me at all.

Most Americans at least who are anti-gun, have just never been around them, or even really the people who support the 2nd amendment. They're overwhelmingly more reasonable than the caricatures they get depicted as suggest.

"Regulated" means "maintained", presumably by the community

At the time it was written, America was a frontier society. It would be absolutely impossible for the federal government to regulate every community even if they tried

Why do you care so much about what we do regarding guns, faggot?

Swedes don't know the structure of our language. Much more or less, our cultural identity, or general outlook on life. But yet, they think they're entitled to a reasonable opinion on our politics with the little understanding that they have.

>every amendment in the bill of rights applies to individuals except the 2nd
liberal logic

>school zones
Because prohibiting guns on school campuses totally haven't raised death counts instead of reduced response times to put the gunman down.

Every single school shooting could've been not so bad if some respectable law-abiding citizen stepped in, but they follow the laws and they're not allowed to have guns on campus; the shooters don't care, they're bringing a gun on campus regardless and they're doing it to harm others, they don't give a single shit about the laws.

The second amendment was also added to preserve a citizen's right to own a gun to defend against government tyranny. Just look at Australia before and after they did a massive gun grab. Look at the UK, they have very strict gun laws. Taking guns away doesn't work because criminals don't follow the law and trusting only the government to have weapons is the dumbest thing you could do to preserve freedom.

>"b-but muh shootings"
They'd be stabbings if you took their guns away (if they were even legal guns - i.e. black on black gun and gang violence).

Sick of this thread every day where some Eurocuck who lets his daughter get raped by Muslims talk about how guns are scary.

Close, but not completely right. See US Code, Title 10, Subtitle A, Part I, Chapter 13, Section 311. Because of equal protection mandated by the 14th Amendment to the Constitution though, gun grabbers would have a hard time revoking rights from citizens outside of that definition.

>implying Cletus hoarding guns for the race war is well-trained and disciplined

I thought it meant well-equipped.

>more civil
I guess that's why the US has such a ridiculous homicide rate compared to western europe :^)

>americans actually believe that their right to carry assault rifles is a right given to them by god himself
this is fucking hilarious, you're even more retarded than the japanese who think their emperor is a descendant of the sun god

>implying the 2a protects militias right to keep and bear arms and not the people

accounting for niggers

>REGULATED by the government
Stopped reading right here you filthy lying kike

Keep importing niggers and mud slimes and check back with me in a few years :^)

It's a right given by God to protect yourself from harm. In a world where threats include semi auto rifles, it is proportional and correct to own a semi auto rifle for that purpose. Plus sporting, plus our Constitution, and plus you suck and we hate you

It makes sense in a philosophical way. If it comes from man, it can be taken away from man. If it comes from the government, it can be taken away from the government. If it comes from a god, then it can't be taken away.

Of course, its enforcement is still by man and government, but it's symbolic.

>Swedes think that the government should have a say in every aspect of your life - and in no way could this power be open to any form of abuse or corruption.

Once again, Sven. You don't understand our culture enough to comment on it intellectually. Why don't you go and let some more refugees in and go back to sucking Norway's cock?

Considering that it's been coming down since the 80s, we are more than fine. Take your shit opinions and shove them up your shitty countries leaders' asses.

>super scary salt rifuls are ew and ur dum

worst b8 ever m8

>I don't understand what regulated means
>it makes sense that we have a constitutional amendment so that the government can't ever disarm a fucking military unit
>I don't really follow logic too well
>what are rights anyway?

>open carry miniguns

sage for troll thread, go cuckpost somewhere else

I don't know if you realize this, but we are very multicultural. Hence the crime.

Europe is heading that way now, Get used to it.

He's butthurt that he can't have one. Instead he gets mandatory government sponsored classes on cuckshed raising and bull prepping

Most retarded thing I read today, congrats cuckSven.

Why is it that gun owners who know full well the destructive power of guns protect the right to own them when they know a potential criminal could acquire them just as easily as they did?

The amount of (you)s that can be had with this flag almost makes cucking your country to death worth it

Because we can Eurocunt.

Murrika!

>A literal cuckold telling another country how to interpret its already clear bill of rights

FUCKING KEK

No, its that the rights described in the Constitution are guranteed, not granted.

Our creator, who/whatever it is, gave us natural rights (right to free speech, personal defense, religion....etc). You are born with the ability to defend yourself in the face of danger, no government should get between you or this right. You arent a citizen at that point, sadly.

If you dont think your life is worth enough to want to defend it, your just being a nihilist, not edgy.

Time to go back to your ESL class Mohammed.

Don't you have some muslim cocks to suck, Sven?

Yea, i dont think youd appreciate being grouped in with the riff raff in liberal cities driving that number up.

>muh "assault" rifles are killing da chillens. Gubment please babysit us!


It's going to be glorious watching your country descend into multicultural hell over the next 10 years....

Fuck off back to IKEA, Mohammed.

>Open carry a minigun
With or without ammunition and batteries?

The US construction is one of the most amazing documents on the rights of man ever produced. If you think otherwise you are a total fuckTard. Go educate yourself. The 2nd amendment basically allows every US citizen to tell every politician to go fuck off..it has fuck all to do with hunting.. It's sad most don't realise this. If u believe the 2nd amendment is misunderstood may I suggest you read the documents produced by the founders at the time. They were total gun supporters. Ffs didn't Jefferson shoot someone on the Whitehouse lawn and frequently wrote about remaining armed. The whole US constution was designed to delay the centralisation of power in DC. The founders realised no document could stop it. The goal of weapons is to allow the American citizen take back power when they feel that happens. Before u ask muh US military...there is a reason they swear allegiance to the Constitution and not a president or king. The vast majority of the us military will not support the government...that's NOT who they swore allegiance to. Of course they should copy Europe as we know best..I mean it's really important only the powerful have weapons..oh no wait. If we had any balls in Europe we would tell both our local governments and the EU to go pound sand. Rather than admit that much easier to point and say the US is retarded. Admitting Europe has made a grave mistake and reverse the anti gun laws is what we should do.of course we are surrounded by whiny faggots who think a piece of shaped metal is evil incarnate. Are u such a ball less moron that thinks this. Spare me the school shooting shite also...one person armed in the school would have prevented it all. It's a null argument made by fucking wimps.

To OP ...mini gun .really that's your super argument. Ffs what age are u...12. I swear the retardation of this board is increasing at a fucking astonishing rate.

The second amendment guarantees the right of all people to bear arms, and warns them to maintain a well-regulated militia in order to secure their freedom.

The first clause is entirely descriptive.

my gf and my sister's friends were all terrified of guns. My sister and I took them all shooting my handguns and assault weapons and they all loved it afterwards.

My gf has purchased herself a gun now and so did her father (I took him shooting too).

You went right past the part that americunts actually read
>the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

Sure weapons are way more dangerous than when the second amendment was created. The milita part I believe was there because back when the US was being formed it was more state run and a state millita was not uncommon but the US military now is much more powerful and people seem to think that the military is the only one entitled to guns

I believe in gun control but eliminating guns from the US intirely is a bad idea

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Those who avoid and evade the reason for the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution would surely admit that if Lithuania had a Second Amendment, Mikhail Gorbachev violated it on March 22,1990 — Russian troops seized arms from the Lithuanian militia. Or was "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" actually violated two days earlier, when Premier Gorbachev ordered private citizens to turn in their hunting and competition guns to the Russian army within one week "for temporary safekeeping" or have them confiscated and their owners imprisoned? Or was "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" initially violated many years before, when the people were first prohibited from possessing guns without permission of government and laws were passed requiring every gun to be registered? In fact, the Soviet Constitution guarantees the people the right to keep and bear arms, and Lithuania is part of the Soviet Union — or so Gorbachev contends. But obviously the Soviet government pays no more attention to that constitutional freedom guarantee than do the majority of the U.S. government, the International Association of Chiefs of Police, or CBS and the Washington Post. What is the difference, precisely, between the confiscation of private firearms in Lithuania and the confiscation ordered by S. 166, the Graves bill now pending in the New Jersey Senate? What is the difference, precisely, between the registration law in Lithuania — which makes confiscation possible — and the registration of military-style firearms required by California's Roberti-Roos bill, which went into effect January 1,1990. What is the difference, precisely, between Lithuania's law prohibiting the people from owning military-style firearms and the so-called "assault rifle" bans now pending in both houses of Congress and in many states? The difference is that the people of the United States are free men and women who can trust their benevolent government.

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Bravo sir..bravo...the fear of guns is now bred into people..u sir are doing god's work...

>what the fuck is a comma

>that td
0/10, would not operate with

Your adding words to try and make your argument make sense. The militia is regulated by THE PEOPLE who BEAR ARMS.

The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed so that they can form a well regulated militia.

Thank you Italian bro.

>A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Well shit guys, looks like the Swede can't figure this out. Let's help him out by putting it in words he can understand:

>A diverse population being necessary to the progress of a liberal society, the right of Swedish women to date and fuck niggers shall not be infringed.

In the above example, WHO has the right to date and fuck niggers? Swedish women, or a diverse population.

The first bit is there to explain WHY the law exists: BECAUSE we need to have a well-regulated militia to remain free, THEREFORE the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Why did they choose to include the explanatory clause? I don't know, maybe they were worried people would try to argue the second amendment was about hunting or self-defense and they wanted to be CRYSTAL FUCKING CLEAR on the matter.

Do you always think this much about america sven? Is that why you shout 62%? Because its actually the other 38% that you are craving.

Underrated post...

so if we ignore black people we have approximately approximately half the murders but 85% of the population
that still leaves you with third world tier murder rates
and why is it that the UK has so much lower murder rates than the US then? there are lots of blacks in the UK

this whole "it's all the niggers" meme is obviously just a ridiculous excuse that americans use to pretend like it's not the guns causing the high murder rates

Irish actually but I get the meaning

>trigger discipline
Alex Jones took 5 bottles of brain force
he's calculating what angle the gun needs to be pointed so the bullet lands on a NWO commie.

Your rights are intrinsic. Anyone who argues that God grants us rights are just as stupid as those who argue that we don't have rights or that the state or "society itself" grants rights.


My rights are as much an intrinsic factor of my existence as are my organs or blood, or sense of self. Man has will, and therefore he has rights.
Societies (groups of humans) have the power to not recognize individual rights.

The type of society you live in dictates what rights are respected by it. Obviously we live in a society that does not respect the human right to ingest mind-altering substances, or to build houses that aren't safe to live in, and a whole other slew of things we have agreed upon as better for life in our society.

This society has also decided to codify all of its restrictions into a body of written law, which has been a tradition for many centuries.

When those laws begin to contradict each other, they nullify and render absurd the entire notion of written law.

This throws into doubt any authority of that written law. Without clear and delineated restrictions on our individual rights, why should we obey any government that seeks to restrict us?

A militia is a civilian military force you moron. A well regulated militia is necessary and since the militia is made up of the people it is necessary for the people to be armed. Go back to prepping the bull and get a dictionary while you're at it.

Hmm...the FBI figures on shooting called and said u are a fucking moron

>litteral cuckolds think they can have an opinion on anything

How cute, when the sole reason for your miserable existence is to pay taxes in order to import an unlimited number of shitskins that can breed with your women.

Also sage

>hunting or self-defense

Do you really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and pretend the second amendment was for hunting?

Exactly.

The "well-regulated" part of the Second Amendment suggests there should be *more* and *better* gun ownership than there is now - since all citizens should be part of the national militia.

>The second amendment clearly says that the national militia should be REGULATED by the government.

Yes, the Gov't should regulate the guns, which the people should have if the Gov't ever gets out of control with power. That makes total sense!


America's right to bear arms is to protect itself from a power hungry asshole gov't, not for hunting or home defense.

>the right of the people to keep and bear arms
Notice it doesn't say the right of the militia to keep and bear arms? Did you notice that goaheadandrapemymommohammed? Hmmm.

Will do, Jamal. Enjoy sucking your nigger king's schlong until next year. I hope you're ready for the dry taco.

>we are more than fine with school shootings and chimpouts
How big is your BLM poster, boy?

Ghettoes don't constitute 'multiculturalism', just poverty.

Pretty much every state has shitty murder rates. Where are these 'civil' places I'm hearing of?

This. Plz move to America. Or don't and keep influencing Ireland to be less cucked.

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Errytime

>15000 nuclear warheads
>0.01% nukes used in homicide
>thermonuclear devices used in homicide 0.00%
>99.99% of nukes that did not kill people
>the right of the people to keep and bear nukes shall not be infringed
american logic, ladies and gentlemen

>The second amendment clearly says that the national militia should be REGULATED by the government

No it doesn't.

Sir, I believe you forgot to account for niggers and taco-niggers.

Bingo...exactly right. And I might add that is a bitch slap of a response ..bravo German bro

Goddamn. That post is so good it almost makes up for U2.

>every state

There were like 4 murders in my entire state last year and we have some of the highest gun ownership rates per capita in the world.

You don't need a permit to carry concealed, and it is legal to own silencers made and sold in this state without a tax stamp.

There has never been a mass shooting.

Guns are not the problem. Massive population centers coupled with cultural alienation are the problem.

Ban assault metropolitan areas.

>ITT: a repetitive, tired and debunked argument against the 2nd amendment from people who don't understand English

The only argument that is worth raising is if it should exist or not, not that it means something you don't want it to mean because it doesn't cater to your feelings

>Ban assault metropolitan areas
But then where would we get the landless, dependent and enslaved population to perpetuate the oligarchy?

With freedom comes responsibility, which niggers lack. Hence the high murder rates. It's usually black on black anyways so we don't care.

Even if it did say the right of the militia it wouldn't make a difference because the militia can't exist if the people aren't armed. The founding fathers would think we're retarded for not understanding something so simple.

Dubs checked, true statement.

>The second amendment clearly says that the national militia should be REGULATED by the government.

the world government does not appear int he second ammendment.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

Its a legal document, if you read the entire constitution you will see they are pretty clear about things. If they wanted the miltia to be regulated by the federal government they would have written it so.

U know that point in an argument when u release u lost but continue arguing trying to disprove u are a total fucking idiot...look over your shoulder...and you will see your first post..thats when u should have realised u have not a fucking clue what u are talking about...

Please show me a figure with those groups deducted then, I'll wait.

Which state? Vermont? It's pretty much the safest state from what I can see, but with only 600k people it's as statistically irrelevant as fucking Lichtenstein.

Tell me something.

What is a person in a militia?
What is their duty in a militia?
What determines a person to be part of a militia?
Is a person only confined to be in a militia and nothing else?

Wait, I can answer this on my own. A member of a militia is an able body man of an acceptable age that posses the arms to rise up and defend their homeland when called upon.

Prove me wrong.

Mutually Assured Destruction is the only reason we haven't had another World War