Why did the Soviet Union collapse?

Why did the Soviet Union collapse?

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Because Russians can't build, they can only destroy.

because their handlers already moved their ideology here.

Says the American holy shit what did the Jew build with your foreskin

The same reason the US will collapse if Hillary gets elected. Shitty economic decisions and a debt that went over the breaking point

Because of the American capitalist scum

Don't respond to me if you're retarded, thanks.

wow that hurts, but I #kekt out loud

Because it was state capitalism and capitalism is decadent.

>(((Russians)))

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>"He said that because of its peaceful collapse, the fall of Soviet communism is "one of the great success stories of 20th century politics".[170] According to Lars T. Lih, the Soviet Union collapsed because people stopped believing in its ideology. He wrote:[171]"

Is this true, goys? Did communism only fail because the people did not believe in it, and therefore it was REAL COMMUNISM?

Corruption, alcoholism, poor economic policy, party was mostly very old the list goes on

It Couldn't hold the weight of stalins Ego

Economic crisis, ethnic tensions and vodka.

>peaceful collapse
hahahah, no it ain't true. the collapse of the Soviet Union resulted in several wars actually.

because the commies in charge realized that if they privatized everything they could still be in charge and be rich as fuck.

instead of being in total control and getting access to a a badass dacha and an awesome apartment and the best schools and hospitals, they could be in charge and have all ten houses and ten dachas and still have access to the best hospitals and schools.

everyone in russia with power, or 99% of them, got their power from being in charge during the ussr and was connected to the communist party, or their younger relatives.

Because of him

Because communism is government sanctioned theft. Everyone with two braincells that had a means to would escape because it's a shitshow. You almost never heard of someone voluntarily going to the USSR willingly.

>Germans murder Russians and Ukrainian men, and relocate women to Germany during their attempt to take down the USSR and utilize the land to expand
>Everyone gets pissy when the Soviets do the same to Germany when the situation turns to their favor

K

He made a lamp shade for revenge.

THE SOVIET PEOPLE TURNED THEIR BACKS ON COMMUNISM

NOW IS THE TIME TO PAY THE PRICE

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>russians

Krushchev's disgusting revisioinism

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because they didn't try "real" communism

*tips fedora*

It didn't. It's a ruse to get us to let our guard down.

This guy

It didn't.

It was torn down so oligarchs within and outside of the USSR could get their hands on billions and billions of dollars of free businesses, resources, markets, etc.

Why it was so weak to allow people to tear it down.. that's the question.

Their economy completely stagnated due to insane bureaucracy, the arms race against the west and global capitalism.

Basically you cannot have revolutionary socialism in one country, it has to be global and destroy all competing capitalist countries.

But what if the economy gets better under Hillary? Will you rethink your opposition to her?

Because they could not print unlimited money unlike us

They ran out of other people's money.

Because Mikhail Gorbachev allowed Mathias Rust to illegally land on Soviet ground without being challenged by Soviet air defense, which was then used by Mikhail Gorbachev to fire leading generals, replace them with pro-American ones, who would then end Soviet rule. Mikhail Gorbachev was an Americanized fool, same type of fool as those Christian Serbians who got money from USA to rebel and kill Muslims, while UN(USA) watched and didn't act, so they had a reason to bomb Serbia later on.

Communism is inherently shit and they were in an arms race against the GOAT economic powerhouse going through it's golden age.

Outside of massive blunders, it's impossible to judge the economic effects of a president until after their term. And considering there are still academic arguments over nearly century-old economic policy decisions, it's hard even then. Macroeconomics is wizardry at this point, there are too many fucking variables to accurately predict anything.

Hold up, if the people overwhelmingly voted in favor of preserving the common political entity, how the fuck did all the nations get independence?

You know what oligarchs are?
They came into being with international money support and grew as they sold Soviet weapons, especially those in Ukraine. Soviet Union split and weapons basically left on Ukraine land, there was no law yet in place, no government, so they sold weapons and they bought land with international money. That's how oligarchs were born. International elite always waits for countries to fail, so they can jump in as investors to take over. Ukraine gone through this process 2 times: Soviet collapse and the new civil war. They been 2 times fools for trusting foreigners and taking their money.

because Yeltsin was a traitor

A rocket ship made out of dicks.

Because they had down syndrome.
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USSR was just the Russian Empire 2.0

It's staggering how dumb most of the replies are. Just a mix of pop-history and media-driven nonsense.

The Soviet Union collapsed because it was a Fordist state that tried to continue on that way well after global economic changes made that impossible.

The inflation crises throughout the West in the 70s and 80s were a consequence of countries no longer having large numbers of peasants, farmers, and rural workers to bring to the city to continue to grow the base of consumers. Without being able to do that, union-negotiated wage increases (in the West) and Soviet central-planning (in the East) came under intense inflationary pressures. Despite changes aimed at coping with this situation. All attempts to keep the status quo failed. In 1981, Reagan began the dismantling of that system of incremental wage increases and price controls. The Soviet Union tried, but it wasn't enough (see the recent history of China for what the story looks like if you learn from Soviet mistakes). Note: many other factors contributed to slow destruction of Fordist states, another being advanced telecommunications technologies leading to: A) moving money and, thereby, factories in/out of country more easily, B) global production coordination becoming more efficient and thereby needing fewer workers, and C) profit rate decline (production output issues in the East) in industrial sectors while finance began to produce greater and greater profits.

thank you for this actual good post

take a wild guess at who stood to benefit from the USSR collapsing and then look at Russia in the 90s and today

Communism doesn't work.

>Why did USSR collapse
1 your oil price niggering
2 your hostile cultural invasion
3 Afghanistan funded and supported by you
3 Mismanagement and senile leaderahip
We had a pun THAT CCCP stands for "The country of the oldest rules"

To follow up on my post above.

These cliches miss the historical context. The Soviet Union lasted far too long for it to be described as a system certain to fail.

During the Cold War, each side experienced many decades of growth, prosperity, and national achievements. The reason is simple, the level of technological development in economic sectors was well suited to a highly-unionzed industrial labor force, with very high tax rates, and economic planning (price-fixing). Note when I mention all these things ^, I'm talking about the United States.

The systems were similar on many levels during this period, including waxing and waning periods where speech in favor of the other side was tolerated.

>People
>Voted
>2016
>Still believing this bullshit
The votes and elections are the biggest scam ever.
Its always just one big fraud, nobody gives a shit what you vote for.

LOL @ calling other replies "pop-history" and "media-driven nonsense," then being totally wrong and having ridiculously basic economic facts totally wrong, on a subject far too general to explain the specific collapse of the USSR.

You're dumb as fuck and you type like an arrogant autist who doesn't realize how elitist he sounds and how little he knows.

That's cool and all, but this is covered well in the literature of political economy.

You realize we are restricted in the length of what we can post here right?

The economies woes that started in the 70's were in reaction to the establishment of OPEC and the end of the Bretton Woods system, you idiot. This is basic, widely known shit.

How you managed to fuck basic information like that up while still talking like every arrogant cocksucker in a political science class is beyond me, and shows a real dedication to the craft of cocksucking at the highest level. Congratulations.

economic woes*

You've fallen for the, economics is an objective science with transhistorical truths meme. What graduate seminar Professor takes the oil crisis (70s) as the trigger, when profit rate decline begins in the late 60s?

These are serious, substantial, scholarly questions, you seem really annoyed that I and many other in political economy, hold a different view.

The trigger was the increasing spending of the American government, primarily because of the Vietnam War. The US dollar and it's instant conversion to gold was basically the entire Breton Woods system, and the US govt stubbornly kept trying to say the value of an ounce of gold was $35, so gold was flowing out from the US at an alarming rate. So Nixon said fuck gold, but really the budget deficit (and trade deficit) from Vietnam was the big deal.

So an ever increasing budget deficit from the major power behind the international financial system, the collapse of that system, and OPEC all collectively led to the economic problems. OPEC attempted an oil embargo in '67, but the economy wasn't fragile enough for it to be devastating like it would be in '73, after the Nixon Shock.

The Bretton Woods system came into existence when the US was at it's historical zenith, in the immediate aftermath of WW2, and as a result was destined to give far too much power to the US, which was destined to abuse it's power and use increased spending to attain more international influence, especially through military means.

Economics are inherently biased, at least as much if not more than political science as a whole, and originally was a branch of political science, I agree.

I felt like the term Fordism was faggy and esoteric, but saying it mass produced low quality goods in a national and international environment where that was no longer viable as a strategy to compete economically with the rest of the world takes a lot longer to post, so I could see why you used it.

I also just like fucking with people generally and with other poli sci fags because I'm a bitter faggot, because poli sci classes are always filled with people who barely understand the class just like any other subject, but with a disproportionate amount of ugly guys with stylized hair and elitist attitudes. Feel free to throw some ''cocksucker'''s and ''faggot'''s into your reply.

Socialism is an inherently flawed system. The collapse was historically speaking inevitable. If it didn't happen in 1990 it would have happened anyway

You're literally wrong, Soviet Union actively set out to dismantle "Great Russian Chauvinism" and Russians were underrepresented in Soviet Union administration. Furthermore, Soviet Union actively set out to derussify it's lands, including creation of artificial nationalities and languages like Belarusian and Ukrainian through state-sponsored korenatziya programme

Russians are biggest victims of communism and Soviet Union

To give the false impression that western civilisation won

Those are cherry picked examples; the CIA Factbook thought the USSR had a higher GDP per capita than the UK in the late 80's, after roughly two decades of stagnation. Russia has a GDP per capita about 1/3 of UK's atm.

"Socialism," "capitalism," "fascism," etc. all historically either never existed or were the same thing. By Adam Smith's definition, capitalism would basically be libertarian communism complete with a basic income and everything else, Karl Marx talked about the "abolition of the state" yet still having conscription/the draft for militaries, fascism was just government negotiating with corporations which has been done in every country in the world since WW2. In every country on Earth the government has the power to nationalize industry on a whim if it's in the "country's" (super rich) best interest, but chooses not to because it's not; it's not about muh free markets.

Anytime someone is saying you should support them because ideologically they believe the right thing, because they're a capitalist/communist/fascist and capitalists/communists/fascists are just wrong lol and it's marketplace of ideas haha, thinks you're really stupid and will support them if they talk to you like a child.

Yeah, the Ukrainian language was "created," lol.

Imagine if you really thought the whole world was this simple.

Basically: politicians overspent, needed to print money to meet their obligations.
Ditched the gold standard for funny money

>the CIA Factbook thought the USSR had a higher GDP per capita than the UK in the late 80's


I call bullshit on that. Maybe they used the official exchange rate but no fucking way. The Soviet Union was a very miserable place production of consumer goods was very low and there was decay and deterioration in almost all aspects of life.

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>Soviet Union actively set out to derussify it's lands
total bs

Only legit reply ITT

Because, like National Socialism, Marxism-Leninism doesn't actually work.

Cause the taliban kicked their ass

it's too early in the morning for this...

The consumer market
A socialist system cant compete.

On the research field the soviet union was ahead(happens that for some reason russia has and had good cientists), but the consumer market is what moves the 21 century economy.

>First phone, weights 10kg and is worth 5000$
>There is someone who makes 100k and buys it
>Second phone weights 9,8 kg and is worth 4800$ and has a better sound queality
>There is someone who makes 90k and buys it, because now he can afford it
>Phone number 50, weights 200g, has 8 cores at 2Ghz
>Can be afforted by a minimum wage worker, and is like 100 times better than the first one
>GDP rise, new wealth was created, the society became more wealth

Under and economy in which there is no wealth gap, new consumer goods cant come to the market, this is was the error of the sovietic economy.

>Fun fact at the late 80´s the soviet union had to copy Appels desings for their personal computers

Its actually scary how what they've tried to do before 30's and stalin taking power is what slowly happens now in the west.

actually bernie did

Yeah it operated for 70 years because it didn't work.

If it worked, it would operate longer, commufag

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just quick googling because i'm about to go to bed, soviet union gdp per capita was $9,000 something in 1990, was $8,000 something in the uk in 1985. so they weren't far off.

and no it wasn't a "miserable place" lol.

How would you fucking know you fuck, it absolutely was by every goddamn account

fucking western idiots telling us how life was in OUR country

they still have communist countries you dummy.

If only I just kept believing in Santa Claus, maybe he would still come today.

Worst decision of my life to stop believing in his magical powers.

as a slavshit i don't expect you to be able to grasp nuance so i'm more typing this out for the actual human beings in this thread, but the brezhnev stagnation and the 80's were a period of serious economic decline, in which a country that 40 years prior still had regularly occurring fucking famines, was able to still feed, house, and educate it;s entire population during it's lowest point. even capitalist russia in the 90's wasn't able to do that.

also the idea of a "classless society" is impossible and i'm not a communist.

The whole point of the Soviet Union was to eventually collapse. It was like a time bomb under Russian state.
If you actually tried to learn the truth about Bolsheviks and the October revolution, you'd understand it.

Kek I had to wear the same pair of clothes for nearly a decade because of how shit and almost unavailable (literally and financially) clothes were for kids/teens. The food was the most basic things (although it was natural I'll give it that) and there always a queue for it. The transport was fucking horrible little buses always late and always full. Most people didn't have their own beds and lived in two bedroom apartments even with a family of 4 or 5.

The only positive thing I can say about it was that the education was good, the streets were really safe and people really did interact and socialize with eachother more.

The collapse of the union was horrible thought.

Cuz true USSR leader gone.