Let me educate you on the current mindset and opinions of an average Swede.
This is a viewers poll from SVT, our Public Service TV network, and is thus a pretty good measure of the average Swede without other ethnic influences in the polls. >92% think hijabs should be banned in schools >83% think the French are right in a ban on burkinis >75% [in one of the most secular countries in the world] would wear a cross in solidarity with persecuted Christians >93% think it was wrong to exclude a nationalist newspaper from a book convention >56% vs 14% think that begging should be outlawed (gypsy begging)
Foreign policies. Sweden is becoming a lot more euro- and Nato skeptic. >51% think EU is headed in the wrong direction while only 11% think it isnt >49% does not want to join Nato, while 33% do >55% of Swedes would themselves fight for Sweden
The everimportant immigration question. Clearly the media narrative and reality have been two completely different things. Its easy to create the illusion of a majority opinion when you control all of the media. >Immigration is by far the most important issue for voters, and the others are impacted negatively by immigration >For five years, barely 10% have actively wanted increased immigration, which is a sign of the terrible betrayal of Swedish citizens, while more than half of the population has been against it.
Then fucking vote for parties who are inclined to apply those policies.
Connor Walker
Current political situation is like this; the current government is a Social Democrat-Green Party minority government, one of the weakest governments in Swedish history in fact. They only got in because Alliansen pussied out of cooperating with SD. >SD has a comfortable kingmaker position at an average 18% in poll of polls, with the online-based polls showing SD as biggest single party at 23-25% >Other two blocks are between 35-40% each >This means that regardless if SD improves on current numbers, the next government has to seek SDs support to pass a budget >A majority of Alliansens voters want to cooperate with SD >Social Democrats has fallen from 45% to 22-25% in 15 years. >The Green party is not expected to reach the 4% vote requirement to stay in Riksdagen The left is dead in Sweden.
Pic related is SD's position between the two blocks. Yellow is how comfortable their kingmaker position is, blue is Alliansen and Red is SocialDemocrats+Green+Left
Brody Jackson
They're starting to think for themselves; increase the dose of semen in the water.
Looks like sweden is growing it's viking beard back
Benjamin Taylor
OY VEY BAD GOYIM SWEDEN NO!
Samuel Hughes
60% of the country voted for parties who wanted reduced immigration last election, but political shenanigans fucked us over. Having doubts about immigration does not necessarily equal voting SD, as most parties have made a political U-turn. Its our SocialDemocratic/Green government that has started these deportations. Who knew that the politcally strategic move was for a Leftist governemnt to brag about how many deportations they've done?
Asher Hernandez
>Atleast 80k is getting deported as a first move. As good as it sounds, it's just empty promises. We have no manpower or money to track them down and force out of the country. Police is already strecthed VERY thin and the fact that officers quit at an alarming rate isn't helping the situation.
Dylan Wright
BLAH BLAH BLAH.
I hear the same story from every other European. The "refugee welcome" people are a small minority everywhere who get allot of media play to make the people think they are guilty of wrong think.
Political shenanigans as you call it is political corruption. The leaders of Europe have absolutely zero fear for their public so they will say whatever the fuck they want to get in and do whatever they want once they do get in.
Europeans need to start directly effecting the lives of politicians that betray the mandate given to them by the people.
Mason Gomez
will sweden deport the refugees to germany? would be funny as fuck desu. I can see merkel demanding them to send them to germany.
Robert Fisher
While law enforcement desperately does need more money, this is no doubt several steps in the right direction, atleast from the civic societys point of view. In the last three months, the rate of accepted applications (as they work their way through the pile of applications from last year) is at like 37% which is a far cry from the 55% in 2013. These are people who will never get to enjoy the benefits of being a Swedish citizen, and as they realize that, they also leave on their own. As shown in one of the links on immigration 12 000 of the 160k have already left voluntarily, and since the new laws are retroactive and winter is coming we're going to be seeing a steady flight of shitskins away from the cold inhospitable north back to their home countries.
And perhaps with the recent room for budget reform (20-25 billion kronor a year) the cops will hopefully get a needed boost.
Brody James
I'll believe you only when a race war starts in sweden
Charles Jones
Well we are using all avenues open to us. First and foremost we are sending them back to their home countries. Iraq, Afghanistan etc. Secondly, the Dublin convention, when we have been able to apply it, makes up like 7-10% of all arrivals. Since the shitskins usually haven't sought asylum in another EU country (policy in border countries seem to be "as many that leave us for the North, the better"), we can't send them back to one either.
Andrew Phillips
NATO skeptic, I don't understand why you Europeans want to leave it. You do realize if you make a joint EU army your actually kind of fucked. Russia won't like it and take it as a threat. Reason NATO is there is to protect you fags from getting conquered. Plus most of you contribute under budget to NATO. If anything America should be the one backing away there's really no reason for us to be there.
John Hall
Do not send them here.
Sebastian Watson
We wont esti. Scouts honor.
Caleb Gomez
Lol you still think picking your masters every 5 years will make you free?
Blake Evans
Would your country ever vote to become Southern Finland?
Speaking from the perspective of a Swede I can say this. 1) We're as a nation proud of our freedom from alliances. The word we use for it in Swedish is "Alliansfrihet" which literally translates to freedom from alliances. We see it both as something positive to be masters of our own fate in terms of war (which has benefitted Sweden and surrounding countries greatly) as well as the fact that being responsible for our own security is a responsibility no foreign politican should have. 2) NATO is the most hawk-ish alliance in the world right now. No other political and military organization has invaded and bombed as many countries as you do. As a rule we want no part of this. When we place forces under ISAF it is strictly for peacekeeping and communitybuilding. 3) NATO is basically run by the US. We are skeptical to making moves towards becoming a vassalized state.
Levi Ramirez
No. Not in my lifetime.
Asher Ross
Becoming a Finnish state would put a lot of Estonian politicians outta business.
A little finnic propaganda on the telly and in the papers and a big old get together/sing along/beer festival could net a 99% YES vote among the plebs. But it's never going to happen. The elite have too much to lose in a proper integration, even though Finland and Estonia are literally one people in two nations.
Cameron Sanders
> "Let me educate you on the current mindset and opinions of an average Swede." > Diagram thumbnail dominated by a set of black anal beads
I don't think I need to read the rest of this thread.
Josiah Wright
Is the wage decent for a CS major?
Sweden seems like (all memes aside) a lovely place to live.
Jason Walker
Any such thing goes in steps.
1) Non-Agression Pact 2) Free trade cooperation 3) Mutual Defence Agreement 4) Harmonizing laws and regulations between the two countries 5) Defence Alliance 6) Political union 7) One centralised state
Where are you now, and what is being done to reach the next step?
It is a Sweden General, what did you expect? No but that graph shows what the most important issue to voter is.
Alexander Brooks
It is not about elites. Do you want Finnish and Swedish as our state languages? It is unconstitutional.
So stop shilling for destroying nations. We may ally with Finnish (we are) but do not want to become one state. Diversity is good, m8.
Leo Rogers
Yeah its pretty good. If you're looking to move to Sweden I would advise finding a job first online before you do anything else like pick a city or something. If we skip using American terminology, I assume you have a bachelors degree in CS, which is good, it is almost a minimum requirement when it comes to decent-paying positions.
Grayson Torres
At numero sinco I guess, because the EU doesn't really have finnic interests in mind.
But shit like >NAP >MDA >Free trade cooperation Sounds laughable because they have always been self evident to us.
Jaxson Evans
Yeah. I should have added "Mutual Currency" somewhere between military alliance (remember the EU Army?) and political union.
Joseph Harris
So who else oppose immigration than SD? You say 60 % opposite but where does the number come since all the big parties have been pro-immigration.
David Moore
I worded it poorly, I'd just woken up. 60% would today vote for a party that wants to reduce immigration, signifying that the majority of people (as shown in the graph, 55% against immigration 10% pro 30% apathetic) wanted reduced immigration did not vote for SD due to political shenanigans. The whole vitriol against Trump has been going on for over 10 years in Sweden against SD. The fact that in polls most think that SD has the best immigration policy despite not wanting to vote for them implies that there has been a stigma against voting for them. For a Swede this is common knowledge, but for the international audience, people have lost their jobs for openly being Sweden Democrats, lost positions in workers unions for being SD because of "everyones equal values" (I know it sounds laughable they dont realize the hypocrisy).
These are the shenanigans that fucked us over. A small minority of the population scaring the populace through a near-total control of media (its changing though, i'll make another post about how media is dying in Sweden) and a grand Project Fear and most millenials have never lived through anything else.
Jack Hall
Sounds good.
Yeah I don't know why I used Amerilard language but I'll have finished my bachelors in about two years time
Just thinking of going somewhere new after. I'm studying in London so I've had my time in the """Big City"""
Would be nice to maybe get some experience and try my hand over there. Is it really as bad as the memes make out?
Nolan Lee
Rural Sweden is more or less completely homogenous white. Good neighbourhoods are more or less homogenous aswell. I personally live in a suburb in Stockholm which is homogenous white, but across the railway 1km away, its shitskins. These shittier suburbs of the bigger cities like Malmö, Göteborg and Stockholm have London status, but overall its not as bad as the memes make it out to be.
Christopher Miller
Alright, thanks. Another question: how does the massive 3rd world immigration affect on government and municipality finance? Do you have budget deficit? Are the taxes and fees rising because of all the gibs Sweden gives?
Samuel Rodriguez
Why would you want to be part of Finland? Total independence is best that people can have.
Bentley Roberts
This.
Jace Adams
Swedens economy is a bit of a mystery, to be honest. It has two sides to it.
Immigration heavily impacts finances, especially so municipality finances, since beaurocratically and admin, the state hands over responsibility for housing and feeding immigrants to the municipalities. The municipalities themselves all have ongoing negotiations with Migrationsverket on how many they're going to get to their kommun so that they can plan for it. All across the board, with a few notable resisting municipalities, costs have gone way up, especially after we started outsourcing the lodging and food to private actors. The municipalities then need further funding from the state. If the municipalities need is greater than the extra funding given, spending needs to be cut elsewhere. This is one side of the coin.
The other side is that Swedish economy is going quite well right now. We're going through a boom or a "högkonjunktur" where the economy is growing by 3-4% a year which is atleast enough to match a pop increase. Many new startups are being founded, and succeeding, even on a global scale, and we've been in the top 5 of best countries for business atleast the last five years or so. Before the recent re-do of immigration policy the gov. was worried they'd have to borrow money to finance further immigration if it kept on coming like that, but now we're saving 100 billion until 2018.
All put together, it has ment that spending has been cut on a variety of services, most notably our military, and other services have not gotten the increase in funding they need to keep up with the years, but our economy is surviving this and I guess despite the fact that shitskins on average take 9 years to find a job (only 500 out of 160k has found one so far), the native Swedes are succeeding.
Jordan Johnson
kick out the shitskins and youre good, although I fear that many jobs will be lost if you do so (translators and teachers for swedish).
Isaiah Martin
Still dude going in at alone, will get you fucked against Russia. Personally I think America should just leave Europe. Let you guys as the EU battle it out against Russia. I mean the U.K already left so if you guys get destroyed with a nuclear exchange from Russia your kinda fucked. I honestly and dearly hope America just outright abandons NATO. It's not even really worth it for us.
Matthew Turner
After looking at some numbers, I think that your economy is growing because of the increasing number of immigrants, ever rising house prices and public spending. Exports have decreased in recent year and households have a lot of debt. But lets see how it goes in the coming years.
Ayden Price
Godspeed Sven, kick those shits out before the jews get to you
Austin Sullivan
>80k are gonna get deported supposedly
Am I dreaming right now?
Colton Hughes
Yes.
They deport the "wrong" muslims and other faiths for being not suitable to enrich you properly.
Keep dreaming, Sven.
Jordan Rivera
The death of mainstream media in Sweden is coming.
Much of the media in Sweden today relies on governmental press support, where news organization gets funding to be able to continue their work. Its purpose was and is to allow smaller actors enter the news market and thus increase competition and diversity. This initself is not unique in Europe. Norway has a similar system, so does France, Germany, Belgium. The UK frees press from sales tax. The conundrum here is that as readers flee mainstream media and fewer consume their news, they get less income from consumers and ads, and MSM need more and more money from the state to survive. The upside is that nationalist newspapers such as Nya Tider has also been able to get funding from the state.
"Are you worried over the situation?
– I didnt sleep well at all tonight, that much I can say. This is incredibly worrying. But as I said this was at the time not news to me that media at large and local media specifically, stands at a precipice/edge of a chasm, and its going to have consquences for the whole democratic conversation. " Alice Bah Kuhnke, Minister of Culture dn.se/kultur-noje/medierna-star-vid-kanten-av-ett-stup/
The biggest problem with MSM is the constant vitriol against sane people and leftist bullshit. How to fix this? SDs solution is simple. You make media follow their own rules they set for us. No more unethical bullshit, no more witch hunts against nationalists, no overly biased bullcrap and sobstories. According to propositions already handed into Riksdagen, which give an idea of their intentions in the matter, they threaten pulling all financial support for media who do not obey the same ethical guidelines they expect right-wing media to follow, but ignore themselves. The difference between left and right media is that leftwing is largely dependant on state funding, while alternative media has grown up without it.
tl;dr SD will make mainstream media their bitch.
Charles Cruz
>Am I dreaming right now?
Yes.
Deportation in Europe is receiving a note from the government that says "your asylum request is denied, please leave". I'm not even joking.
We don't have enough enforcement to evict 10 000 people if we pool the national police force.
All enforcement and checks need to be before they enter the country. As it is, we've just created a millions strong shadow society in Europe. With the ensuing tax on our social services and the criminality increase a dead given followup.
We rather go with Finland, Norway and Denmark (and maybe esti can in too) than with a shitty NATO. Our weapons tech is competitive with Russian.
I'm not going to deny that we need tons more money for this, but now policy is to (or is going to, hard to say with political lingo) put them in custody and keep them until they've left. >the ensuing tax on our social services Our social services arent going to be affected as much by illegals though. The government removed the insane oppurtunity for welfare until you've left the country, so thousands are leaving on their own. And aslong as they're marked illegal, we can kick them out at the very latest 2018 when SD funds them properly.
Tyler Wright
From what i've heard. we toughened up our southern borders to reduce migration back in january. And in the same moment, Denmark did the same to ensure that they would not be the next goto location for migrants. Hopefully Germany will follow suit someday.
Chase Gonzalez
I believe Denmark even wants to reject migrants at the border, not even letting them in or apply for asylum in Denmark. This would be amazing for Sweden as Denmark is the main transit-country for us.
Easton Rodriguez
Those factors do play a role, but productivity initself is increased and GDP per month grew even as we experience a net loss in shitskins.
Michael Bailey
>>Atleast 80k is getting deported as a first move. You do know that will cause deaths right?
Im very skeptical of it happening and if it does and some shitskin gets killed the world will be up in arms agaist racist nazi sweden. In Denmark we have trouble deporting just a few shitskins because they turn violent when they are escorted to the planes and when they are in the planes they trash them and scream like wild pigs so the authorities back down and never actually deport them.
Aaron Hill
>You do know that will cause deaths right? imokwithdis.jpg
Honestly I'm kind of expecting a relatively large happening in Sweden within a year, maybe another Ikea, maybe an allahusnackbar. We've been able to forcibly deport thousands of people already. What we need now is more funding to the relevant agencies so that they can step it up a notch.
Luke Fisher
Yes this is being discussed but mostly as a last resort if things get bad again.
Alot of people want it implemented now though and see it continue into the future.
Eli Smith
Ironically, jews living IN Sweden are getting the shit end of the stick with today's immigration. Antisemitism is greatly on the rise from Muslims and the Jews know very well who is behind it, thusly Swedish jews are often Sweden Democrats.
Joshua Turner
You have mine and Keks blessing.
Jayden Howard
OP or other Swedes:
When you say SD are currently in government coalition and are turning things around, you mean Social democrats yes? Is this because of public outcry?
What about the Swedish democrats? Jimmi etc? Will they get elected next cycle if things are improving under the current government?
Isaac Barnes
>When you say SD are currently in government coalition and are turning things around, you mean Social democrats yes? Is this because of public outcry?
Sweden Democrats political ticket is SD, while Social Democrats is S, I probably should have clarified this. Social Democrats are in government yes, and they have made a complete turnover in immigration policy. Åsa Romson from the Greens cried on national TV while announcing it. This was indeed due to public outcry, aswell as the financial situation. Their lies did not correspond to reality and eventually it was going to catch up to them. It now has.
Sweden Democrats are currently in opposition, which is a position that is well suited for them at the moment. Swedish political history is marked by bipartisanship, between the left and the right. It's always been the same parties in power, alternating with public opinion. SDs rise as a third bloc means that they can pick and choose from propositions in Parliament, deciding on each individual issue what they think is good for the country and what they think is bad for the country. Since either of the two other blocs will consistently vote as blocs, its a well-cemented kingmakers position. As its looking now, I would bet money on a Alliance-led government with a PM from Moderaterna, run with SD support on budgets. Social Democrats are at their lowest point in history since their founding, and I strongly doubt they can turn it around for 2018, maybe not even for 2022 or later.
Owen Cooper
>Antisemitism is greatly on the rise from Muslims >on the rise err... I don't know how to tell you this but antisemitism from muslims is always at maximum permitted by enforced law (keyword: enforced - can get away means will go for it)
John Bell
Well yes, but on a national level we've seen a rise in antisemitism, originating from Muslims, and while that is obvious in itself I needed to make that point for the following one to make sense.
Gabriel Cruz
Thanks Swedebro. Very detailed answer.
So do you think there is hope for Sweden in the coming years (2-3)?
I would have said that for the UK it seemed hopeless for awhile, turns out all we needed was a yes/no referendum and a halfway competent majority right wing government to come into play. Smooth sailing it seems...
Blake Edwards
great thread
Elijah Powell
Yeah there is definitely hope. Public opinion is definitely on our side and now the politics is adjusting to this, because after all they care about votes first and foremost.
There is hope for the UK aswell but similar policies as in Sweden needs to start being enforced. Closing the border is not enough, they need to leave aswell.
David Lopez
I used to work in a jail. Every now and then one of the prisoners would complain about it being too hot or too cold. We'd say we would take care of it, then wait for the air exchange blower to kick in. After about 30 seconds of hearing the vents run, we'd ask the prisoners if that was better, every single time the answer came back that it was an improvement.
Don't believe their bullshit unless something measurable occurs.
Jose Baker
I'm back, lads.
Still really want to visit this place, looks comfy as fuck. Are there any decent restaurants near by for you locals?
Dylan Baker
While we obviously cant put our trust in the weather, it has definitely been a problem for the shitskins. I can pull up a couple of dozen articles where groups complain and whine about the coldness. longer term the sun is going into a Meander Minimum again in 15-20 years which will make temps drop quite a bit aswell. We Swedes dont care about it much, (except the few homeless), but sandniggers used to camels and shitting in pits dont like it at all.
Welcome back. And yes, there is! Just in that picture there are a couple of good ones, and to there are some bars mostly youth go to. If you take a left by the end of the block, there is a comfy as fuck meadpub called Sjätte Tunnan (Sixth Barrel). Further down the same road is dozens of restaurants and little shops for knickknacks. The road looks like this in winter.
Angel Scott
The point was, we'd say we were doing something to improve their conditions. And then they'd hear the normal machinations which they'd become deaf to, and believe their condition was improving. Without any reason to believe so, and without anything at all changing.
It appears to me, from what you've said here, your economy is profiting from cooked books. Like last year when the government bought all the beds from Ikea, and the numbers showed the economy going up. GDP measures about 40% government spending. As long as they keep cutting services in one area, only to spend in another, the numbers will show your economy getting better, while it worsens.
Jace Wilson
as a sidenote, as a tourist myself I rarely take part of guided tours and shit, but it might actually be worth doing it with Gamla Stan if you're interested in the history. Everything from coronations to mass beheadings has happened there, and plenty of museums and shit around the Castle.
Grayson Campbell
No one is denying that government spending does shift the numbers a bit here. However there is at the same time not much evidence that the economy is doing /poorly/. The governments debt is at about 34% of BNP, productivity is today higher than ever, and the Stock Exchange is doing well also. In despite of the immigration crisis, we are managing pretty well. It makes me sad to think about where we could have been without it.
Mason Martin
Stay hopeful. But don't trust it.
Carson Gonzalez
I'm a far cry from trusting the government lol. But there is hope for sure, and when all is said and done with, I think we might even come out better than most countries with the same problems.
