>mfuckingfw the EU would be the best thing for Europe if it wasn't run by a bunch of fucking socialists
>mfw a right wing United federal Europe would damn near outshine the United States
>mfw the right wing in Europe want out of the EU and the left wing are the only ones who like it
Why the fuck can't you stupid fucks just get it together?
But enough ragging
Here's my question: Do you think a EU run by people like the UKIP and the National Front ect. would work?
Why doesn't this happen?
Well yeah, that would be called the Forth Reich.
That shit will never work, there's too many different cultures and languages in Europe
The EU is liberal you dumb fuck, they are asking the member states to cut in social spending every other month. Liberals in europe claim to be on the right wing of the spectrum.
Leftists are pretty anti EU, but they don't want to dismantle the EU...they want to change it from within to suit their needs.
The EU is a corporate, neoliberal project, that insures low inflation at the cost of high unemployment. What fucking part about the Maastricht criteria is socialist?
>mfw if someone like Nige was incharge of the EU it would be the largest superpower and BTFO of the Middle East
An EU under rule of FN would be the same as it is now, FN got their balls cut off when the women took over.
EU wouldn't exist if ukip ruled it, they are the only party thathas made active steps to dismantle it
No, the problem is much, much deeper than that. It would have to be fundamentally restructured. Right now it is purposely structured in such a way that you as a citizen have no idea who is in power and who you can hold accountable. For instance, ask yourself:
>how many presidents does the EU have and what are their names
>what is the difference between the European commission, the commission of Europe and the commission of the European union?
>what procedure is in place to remove a member of the European commission from his position, should that be desired?
>how does a bill become a law in the European union? (protip: it has nothing to do with parliament or any of the presidents)
If you answered "how the fuck should I know" to most of the above, congrats. The EU is working as intended. Not a single other """democratic""" institution in the entire fucking world is this complicated and non-transparant. It is not only undemocratic, it is purposely anti-democratic. ALL of that would have to be changed.
An EU more like the United States, with more direct representation that has actual power could very well work. Though I personally would change it so that the house/senate is at all times a mirror of the popular vote instead of the WTA district thing you guys have.
That's never going to happen though. The best realistic alternative is to burn the whole thing to the ground.
>There are people on this board RIGHT NOW who actually believe this
The EU will never work in the form of a political union. We are too different both culturally, economically, socially, etc.
The ideal scenario would be a common market and a common defense pact (note: not a common army, but national armies cooperating). Get rid of the Euro as well and you have a decent project, too bad it will never happen
You don't have to like each other
You just have to stop fucking each other and have a common army like the 50 states of the USA does
Do you think Californians like Texans?
Do you think Mississippians like New Yorkers?
Fuck no
But we have one currency
One army
One government with local governments
M8, eurotrash right wing isn't very right
europe had that chance twice in the 20th century and they blew it
I cannot imagine the United States fighting in WWII with each state having its own army cooperating instead of a common army
>But we have one currency
>One army
>One government with local governments
This is exactly the problem. A United States of Europe will never work. We do not need a centralized government, nor a common army, nor a common currency
The French ruined it. The rest of the Yuropoors were busy catching rats for dinner, while the French took up every last morsel they could from their colonies, and gave it away to the other Yuropoor nations
The Germans took note and they followed the example. And now look at """Europe""" today
Kind of goes against the essence of the right-wing and nationalism, but confederation kind of thing, very losely might work.
WW2 was an offensive war for you. Ours would be a defense pact. Think of a NATO but restricted to Europe
There were several languages spoken in the colonial US, and many different cultures in the states (there still are) but we all function pretty well.
The Texan is allowed to wave his flag, the Floridian his flag, the Californian his flag, and so on. Never mind that some of our states are larger and more populous than some of the EU countries.
I think it could work, especially if they have a common enemy (the Islamic hordes would do nicely)
>neo liberalism
>socialism
Stopped reading after the first line, die please.
We all have basically converted to American culture. Atleast the majority.
You can't deny that.
and as for language
Most people can speak English.
>will europe ran by UKIP types be better
the moment right wing types take over, the EU will fall apart and we'll be starting ww3 over petty shit faster than you can say ich hab deine mutter gefickt
Then explain why they push austerity measures as hard as they do?
how in God's name can demanding privatisation, cutting welfare, cutting taxes for multinationals, cutting cultural programs, cutting medical programs in any way be considered leftist?
We dindu nuffin man , don't blame us
Because we don't want a central government, or a share currency or a common army. We like having our own national government, flags, army and currency.
Everybody between 10 and 35 years old in Europe speaks English now. Future generations will all speak English.
>Everybody between 10 and 35 years old in Europe speaks English now.
That's complete bullshit , pal.
He's right though. Liberalism in Europe is right wing, it's conservative and pro-free-market.
Christian Democrats are centre-right and are also conservative and pro big capital.
Leftists in Europe are not big fans of the EU, unless they can vote more welfare and workers rights and limit the power of the big capital/employers.
Extremist parties, both left and right are anti-EU.
Yeah except for France and Spain. I can't understand why you guys don't want to learn English.
the EU would be doing well if it kept the trash out of europe and minimalized immigration as a whole
locust from the middle east wont save your economy . germany has had little gdp growth since accepting refugees. 0.4% last quarter ...its almost like poor people dont grow a economy
and the locals dont want rich gooks buying EVERYTHING but you want their money so you let them buy some stuff to keep your housing market afloat when sales are low
>bunch of fucking socialists
They are neo liberals.
And Poland , and Czech republic , Italy and Portugal aren't great either iirc.
You make a fool of yourself, we fought each other during the last 1500 years at the very least, your dislike for other states is superficial while we have really bad blood.
Germans were the origin of the death of more than 3,2 millions french people just during the last 100 years, it is a fucking miracle that we got over it so quick.
We fought one entire WW with the english and they still can't stand us.
What the fuck are you talking about retard ?
You keep bashing us while you should lick our butthole, we are the only reason you are not Canada-tier.
as long as we aren't part of that wog union, go for it
No?
Yes
Socialist democracy is engrained into the fabric of Europe. There is no escaping your Marxist utopia I'm afraid
America works and they have two different types of pizza.
>Why the fuck can't you stupid fucks just get it together?
Becase (((YOU))) stupid fat retards destroyed it the last time. Thank you.
Ah but that includes peasants (47%) of population and old people in cities. Almost every young person in Romania can speak some English.
Except for gipsies, peasants and old peeps.
>Except for gipsies
>romania
?????
Nationalists are against the very idea of an European union you sperg
An United Europe would be as bad as an United States of America. Democracy and small government only works in small countries.
>this is what the right wing believes
that's not the problem you moron
The EU is the 4th reich established by leftists in the ruins of the 3rd. The pendulum swung on that day in Berlin, and it will swing again... Or will it?
wtf are talking about? Almost no one speaks Americana in Romania either
Stupid Frenchman, you're the reason why Canada is Canada-tier
We kissed up to you when we were rock farmers, fast forwards a century or so and we had to liberate you because you were still too assblasted by the British to even notice that the Krauts were ready to overrun you
And you still did the British justice with the EU
Every country should just do its own thing. Money could and should be the only thing shared by Europe.
>Here's my question: Do you think a EU run by people like the UKIP and the National Front ect. would work?
It would dissolve. That is the entire point of those parties. Think of them similar to the founding fathers in respect to the (late) British Empire. The EU and the subjugation of a continent is a very bad idea and should have never been even attempted. We will beat them back one by one for a free, independent Europe of nations.
The reason for the maastricht stuff is that the national debts of the states destabilize the common currency. Social and state spending is spiraling out of control anyway, that is about the only positive the EU has done. If it wouldn't be restricted by monetary issues, the EU would operate as economical as the Soviet Union. It's idea of economics is about the same: Some national monopolies that are given political preference and death to all other enterprises trough regulations. They are strangling you.
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>right wing United federal Europe
That wouldn't work. Right wing means that no country wants to have to do anything with others. This isn't America, buddy. Out left-wingers are more right than ypour "right-wingers"
The EU isn't run by socialists. It's run by globalist neoliberals.
It hasn't been run by socialists since the 90s
Because we are all unique nations you fucking tard and not a mongrel melting pot (yet) like you cunts.
>Right wing
>Collective
Unless most Europeans stop seeing themselves as Germans, French, English, etc. it won't work, the national pride would be European, that means pride in every single custom in the continent, won't happen.