Red pill me on fascism in Italy, or fascism in general

Red pill me on fascism in Italy, or fascism in general.

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the italians hated mussolini after, and hanged him

thats all you have to know.

The freedom of the state takes initiative over the individual.

Closer case who likes to spend more time around men while not looking homo

Fascism was good.

Italy was divided among politics more heavily than anybody could imagine

The "partisans" or "freedom fighters" who hanged him were communists in italy

i have a book for you kind sire,it's called "Talks with Mussolini" in english and it's been written in 1932 by a jewish (that's right) journalist/writer that did a pretty good job at it

it's an interview on several topics and i'm sure you can find the pdf version online

i got my hands on the original 1932 edition in italian language

Ok, ask me anything

Facism is all the worst parts of liberals and conservatives. No freedom, 100% government control.

The cucks born from leecher commie garbage will tell you it was the worst thing to ever exist, the ones born from normal italians will tell you it was a very good time for italy.

Imp bump

My grandpa says it was pretty nice.
The biggest problem was his dad went for army training in 1930. Came back infrequently until 1934 and then he never saw him until 1947.
He was a blackshirt in Libya.

why didnt you take over the fucking world it would alll have been so simple

Fascism was basically this ideology summed up, Nation over individual. National Pride was extremely important and recognizing all the good things the country did. At least from what I read on how to be a good spaniard after Franco won.

Italy would not have been ready for war until 1947.
Hitler had to move everything forward or his system would come crashing down, in doing so an unprepared army went to war as well.

Thanks! I will check it out.

Post pics of the book.
I collect old books.

Roger Griffin defines generic Fascism as a form of palingenetic populist ultra nationalism. He argues that fascism advertises itself as a sort of radical "third path", separate from left or right politics.

He's pretty much the authority on the concept of generic fascism.

Please note before reading further that many people disagree about the use of fascism as a generic ideology, instead arguing that the ONLY true way to use fascism is in describing the Italian Fascist party.

Here are the key features of generic fascism, as argued by Griffin:

1. Fascism is anti-liberal
2. Fascism is anti-conservative
3. Fascism tends to operate as a charismatic form of politics
4. Fascism is anti-rational
5. Fascist 'socialism'
6. Fascism's link to totalitarianism
7. The heterogeneity of fascism's social support
8. Fascist racism
9. Fascist internationalism
10. Fascist eclecticism

Here's an excerpt of a Mussolini speech given to the Fascist congress, 3 days before the March on Rome:

>We have created our myth. Our myth is a faith, a passion. It is not necessary for it to be a reality. It is a reality in the sense that it is a stimulus, is hope, is faith, is courage. Our myth is the nation, our myth is the greatness of the nation! And to this myth, this greatness, which we want to translate into a total reality, we subordinate everything else.

>For us the nation is not just territory, but something spiritual. There are States which had immense territories and which have left no trace in human history. It is not just a question of size, because there have been minute, microscopic States in history which have bequeathed memorable, immortal specimens of art and philosophy.

>The greatness of the nation is the totality of all these qualities, of all these conditions. A nation is great when it translates into reality the force of its spirit. Rome becomes great when, starting out as a rural democracy, it gradually spreads out across the whole of Italy in accordance with its spirit, till it encounters the warriors of Carthage and must fight them. It is the first war in history. Then, gradually, it bears its standards to the ends of the earth, but at every turn the Roman Empire is the creation of the spirit, since the weapons were aimed, not just by the arms of the Roman legionaries, but by their spirit. Now, therefore, we desire the greatness of the nation, both material and spiritual.

You can find the whole speech (there's not much prior to this section) here:

nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=399377

Here's the bible of Generic Fascism proponents.

Obviously, as a nu-Historian, as I like to call them, he has an inherent liberal bias, and instead of simply examining the evolution of fascism, seeks to demonise it at the same time. However, the reader is a really good way to explore the evolution of fascism, and probably the best around for looking at the concept of a generic form of fascism.

For some reason neapolitans seemed to like fascism

Also, a bit of an aside, my old professor, one Matthew Feldman, is one of the experts on fascism Vox interviewed, and one of the people who categorically stated that Donald Trump is not fascist.

vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/10/9886152/donald-trump-fascism

He's still very, VERY liberal (he was once thinking of getting a fucking auschwitz-style ID number tattooed on his arm; he's also an expert on anti-semitism, the far-right and ultra nationalism)

>Matthew (((Feldman))), a fascism expert at Teesside University in the UK, agrees. "He's still in the democratic family," he says. "Trump is calling for ethnocratic small-l liberalism. It's liberalism that's racially tinged. If you were white in apartheid South Africa, you had all the rights and benefits of a liberal state. For you it was a democracy. But it didn't feel that way for blacks in South Africa."

>Trump's views on violence simply don't follow in that tradition. "Trump is inciting prejudice. He really is; words do have consequences," (((Feldman))) says. "But that doesn't mean he's a fascist."

>(((Feldman))) concurs, arguing that fascism builds a kind of "political religion" in which the nation is considered a real, living, and yet sacred thing to be revered and protected. This goes well beyond mere nationalism. "It's a difference between someone who's patriotic versus someone who sees the nation as a living, breathing organic entity," he says. "Not, 'I want my soccer team to win this match,' but, 'Jews and Muslims are like a festering appendix that must be cut out.' The 300 million Americans are like 300 million cells in the body. The individual is worth nothing. It's one cell in the body."

But they are not fascists. They still believe in democracy, and they want traditional liberal democratic protections for their white base. "They're still at bottom democrats rather than fascists," (((Feldman))) says. "I think the fitting term is 'illiberal democrats.' They would give full democratic rights for white Christians, or perhaps Jews, but exclude the outgroups of the 21st century: mostly Muslims but also Mexicans. It's really prejudice against them. We're congratulating ourselves to say that anyone who engages in that prejudice is fascist."

Italian fascism was nothing less than abn attempt to ressurect the roman empire, Mussolinis greatest mistake was on falling back upon Italian when conquering the greeks, because his earlier romanism and Mediterraneanism could have won them over diplomatically. I like fascism, but it won't come back sadly

Fascism is utter shit but less so than monarchism. There. You're redpilled

Mihai seems like a nice lad, though tbqh fampai.

>early fascism was a movement of enthusiasm and vigor
>everybody's having a fucking blast
>yeah well there's that ethiopia thing that didn't really go well but whatever
>faccetta nera, you're gonna get gloriously dicked by the proud blackshirts
>the quintessential meme song of fascism is literally about racemixing
>mussolini gets closer and closer to le mustachioed german man
>compromises are made with the ruling italian powers
>early hour fascists gets purged
>benito this is starting to smell bad
>GIAMMAI
>protuding jaw intesifies
>HITLER DON'T START ANY SHIT BEFORE 42, D'ACCORDO?
>JAWOHL MEIN FREUND
>39
>wtf hitler pls
>the entire fascist party asks mussolini not to join the war
>this isn't even my final form
>cuckssolini
>joins the war
>get shat on
>lose everything
>fascism is now condemned to the worst damnatio memoriae of the post-christ era

good thing we hanged that shitter upside down
and remember that only commies want you to believe that the italian resistenza was their own product.

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Beautiful. Thanks.

>monarchism
>shit

No.

Constitutional Monarchy with an elected Parliament and limited male suffrage brought the entire fucking world to heel.

The Monarch needs some power, but not absolute power, in order to promote a genuine sense of investment in the country; this country will be his for decades, and then their heir's, then their heir's heir's, and so on and so forth.

An elected Parliament gives the people a chance to be heard while placing pressure on the Monarch to perform their duties as expected and also not giving the officials too much power. It helps combat political stagnation, too.

Limited male suffrage means that, generally, only intelligent people would be allowed to vote. Women cannot infect the male sphere with their detrimentally empathetic policies, while the subhuman underclasses of society are unable to sully the nation with populist rhetoric.

It's a collectivist statist ideology like all the other socialist or etc shit.

he should have kicked/killed any people with pale skin, light hair and light eyes then bring fascism and try to retake europe from germanics but he listened to hitler, that was his biggest mistake and now italy is just a western puppet

That's a rare mexican flag you've got there.

how do you get american cucktarian bullshit all the way in pyramidland? youre a shame to your people ahmed imotep

>ahmed imotep
they arent related to ancient egyptians
they are just arabs

italian fascism never was a racial thing before he got progressively cucked by hitler and his racebaiting bullshit

the diversity of italian people doesn't go well with homogenisation. the roman empire knew this too, that's why italic people could keep their gods and customs, while staying anyway under roman rule.

stormcuck / hitlerian ideology is the opposite of what an italian uncucked right-winger should support.

Stop getting your information from reddit. All Mihai did was to suck off resources and attention from the Romanian state, even though the commies kicked him out. And when he returned, just because people thought he was a "nice lad" he was given state property, lots of it, to score some points with all the inbred morons who thought he was a "nice lad". He was a kid during the 30s when his moronic father whose actions doomed Romania for the rest of the century abdicated so he could fuck his whores in peace. The Romanian monarchy was nothing but cancer on these lands and if there's a hell I hope they all drown in bloody tapeworm laden shit for eternity while hanging from their tiny German testicles.

Monarchism is fundamentally against equality of men, and a little more stability shouldn't take precedence over principles of freedom.
>Constitutional Monarchy with an elected Parliament and limited male suffrage brought the entire fucking world to heel.
My ass. The way society viewed power and the right to hegemony brought the entire fucking world to heel. Not considering the limited male suffrage, if you still have a monarchy, where's your fucking empire? And now to the final point, how do you determine "the only intelligent people"?

>Constitutional Monarchy with an elected Parliament

>Elected parliament
No. You fell for the democracy meme. Constitutional monarchy is what led to anti-monarch and pro-republic sentiments

most people in italy have germanic genes or are full germanic, specially in the north

sad thing for them, germanics really ruined those people, arabs did the same with iranians and semitic people

No I literally meant Mihai seems like a nice lad.
Like he looks like a guy to sit down and have a beer with.
You wrote an entirely paragraph of which I only read the first two sentences.
He literally just seems like an adorable old person.

Would you like some KFC to calm yourself down man?How did you get to a computer? You stole it from the red cross or something? You probably had to kill a white male to get to such machinery. The white male from the red cross was browsing in Sup Forums cause you fucked his gf or some shit? Damn fucking niggers. Go back to eating nothing.

>most people in italy have germanic genes
In very small percentages.

There are plenty of adorable old people that look like you could have a beer with.

oh please
do you think those people with pale skin, light hair and light eyes are natives of that land?

they are fucking germanic or have germanic genes

native of that land werent pale and didnt have light eyes or light hair

pic related was an elite from rome

IL DUCE

by this logic you could as well go back to indoyuropean roots

Men aren't equal you SJW fuck.

The empire waned due to two world wars that used up all of our resources and killed off 90% of our good men.

And no, I think you'll find the political system employed at the time, rather than your retarded nu-historian tier view of populist perceptions, that brought the world to heel.

You obviously can't completely eliminate the idiots from having a say in affairs, but you can severely limit their influence. I'm sorry, your egalitarian vision of the world doesn't exist, and never will do, because humans are inherently unequal.

Absolute Monarchy isn't the way to go. Nor is having a Soviet-esque situation where the party is so insular and corrupt that all the actual intelligent, competent people are killed off.

In the UK, for example, we not only have the house of commons (elected officials), but the house of lords (unelected officials), as well as our Monarch.

Kissinger is not adorable.
I'm Italian and match that description. I have light brown hair, green eyes, and even red facial hair.
According to 23andme I'm:
84% Italian
10% North African
5% Balkan
1% Broadly Southern European

ok, mongrel
your ancestors were savages that destroyed the roman empire, great

>your ancestors were savages that destroyed the roman empire, great
Uh, no they weren't.
No Germans in this family tree.

see
germanics arent only germans

>10% North African
Lmao amerimutts

dude, italy's a needle in what was the biggest european trade route for centuries: the mediterranean.

our genes are inherently variegated. dozen of different italic native people, greeks, illyrians, germanic tribes, normans (even in the south), arabs. we've always been merchants, explorers and wayfarers. romans knew best how to make this variety stand strong. race talks don't apply with us because anyway every fucking town in italy will claim to be different and better than the town 10kms away.

i want to see italy as a glorious, fragmented federation of different kingdoms and city states, competing with each other for beauty and genius. stormcucks can keep their textbook bullshit roots and their sweaty calculations for each drop of blood they've got in the veins.

Also:

>always provide actual insightful posts about the concept of generic fascism
>don't know if people just read them and think "neat" or if no one gives a shit because they don't actually want to learn about or study fascism, but just want to fling shit at each other

people couldnt just migrate and mixed in those times
germanics tribes invaded and raped them almost to extinction

Genuinely no idea where that came from.
Parents are off the boat immigrants from Frosinone.
You do realize that those are invaders, right?
You do realize that most German tribe leaders had explicitly told their kin not to mingle with children of Rome, right?

the commies hung Mussolini

no.

see

A bad system that pays no consideration to the rights of the individual and almost always attracts evil villains into positions of power

are you aware of the fact that the vast majority of central and southern-central italian people look like the pic you posted?

>You do realize that most German tribe leaders had explicitly told their kin not to mingle with children of Rome, right?
you mean germanics barbarians with no civilization?

hahahahah
yeah man, keep believing what you want, i know you believe you are native of those lands

i wonder if in the year 2200, germanics americans will say they are the natives of that land and cherokee, etc didnt exist

maybe but the elite right now in italy are germanic people and mixed with germanics

people with light eyes or with blonde hair

we are all mongrels, Jose

What brought the world to heel was snowballing caused by positive views on imperialism. France snowballed as a republic and positive views on imperialism. As did Britain. The political system had shit all to do with it.
Ever wondered why there have been so few wars of aggression lately? So little European exploitation by force in Africa and Asia? The power is there - Siam and Burundi wouldn't keep up with FYROM's 6 conscripts. What keeps the peace is public views - both from home and abroad; and more than that, the international community. When you had your empire, these two factors were nowhere near what they are now.

And again, how do you determine who's an idiot and who's not? You seem quite the idiot, but I wouldn't bar you from having a say in your idiot life and what the state does with your idiot taxes.

>so few wars of aggression lately?
Nukes and US puppets
without nukes USSR or Russia would have declared war to US or viceversa

Cool mexican flag

NATO, Russia, and other nuclear powers are not the only entities in this world

many countries are under foreign influence like for example armenia and azerbaijan

not at all man, even within our crooked politician caste there's a lot of variety. vast majority look genuinely italian.

even in the north you won't find a lot of nordic blonde people. italian blonde is already darker.

starting from marche / abruzzo and below, you'll see 95%+ italic/mediterranean type. sicily and calabria get arabian vibe sometimes, but those also gets cooked by the permasummer.

anyway, it's not the germanic genes that cucked us. it's the germanic culture. actually not even that, it's the anglo demonization of germanic culture and the fact that cuckssolini got us closer to that shit instead of minding italy's business.

yeah man, i wont argue anymore
im just going to say that people with light eyes, light hair or pale skin are mixed with germanic and arent 100% related to romans or other ancient natives

well i agree on that. italic people look mediterranean.

we and the greeks always had the "one face, one race" shared proverb and neither of us was famous for having a lot of blonde hair and blue eyes.

(which is pretty cool for me because i fit perfectly the gracile mediterranean phenotypes.)

They were ex-socialists who came to realize both socialists as well as capitalists were degenerate cucks who needed culling for betraying the nation.

We find ourselves at a similar point in time where both left and right wing fuck us over in different but complementary means.

Are there any key differences between fascism and national socialism? They basically seem like the same thing with different names.

literally the people hanged him; not so much because of fascism itself...but because he proved to be a coward and left us to our destiny (((after joining a war nobody wanted, then betraying the axis without even informing our military - many episodes in which italian troops greeted germans thinking of allies and were just shot in response))) while trying to run away - he did not manage.
Fuckers like him need to hang; if we still did it today it'd be a better world.