Why is he getting so much hate? Is it really because he's being pushed...

Why is he getting so much hate? Is it really because he's being pushed? He freaking hardly getting more than Tim and Damian before him.

Or is it really just because of muh Tim and muh Damian?

Fans of Batfamily are more autistic than powerlevelfags.

That suit needs more bat logos.

He is black, and he wasnt needed.
If anything rebirth should had been about reintroducing Tim and Cass into the FAMILY.

Instead of that Johns convinced Snyder that the best thing he could do was using a character Snyder wasnt sure about, make bruce a terrible parent, instead of someone that doesnt know how to be a parent. And push a nigger for diversity's sake, even when the family already have one asian batgirl and a multiracial Robin.


Lark should had been DICK'S Sidekick.

Nah. It's because we already have too many Robins. Damian received hate for this as well.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around why they brought Jean-Paul Valley back and haven't used him beyond working at a soup kitchen.

Is he getting so much hate. I'm not a fan but he's no where near as bad as Harper. Him not being Robin is pretty stupid, and I've yet to see a single good justification for it,.

He's unnecessary, isn't interesting, and comes off as a creator's pet that Snyder made so he could claim his character became Robin.

Because he is a discount Tim Drake with extra PC points for diversity.He is a waste of space and is being shoved everywhere.

I don't see much hate. Most people do not care about him.

Man people hated Damian. Compared to him Duke is received well I would say.

Duke is the only character introduced in Snyder's run that I don't hate. His progression wasn't forced and it still isn't and its taken him years to get to this point and it'll be at least another year before Batman lets him out into the field.

He's nothing like Tim Drake though. And I've enjoyed him a lot more than Tim recently since one of them had a decent series. He's pretty inoffensive since Rebirth started.

Tim and Duke Unessesary, uninteresting and in some ways. Batfags hate Duke,Tim and Harper.

My thought process is simple

>The bat family is already overloaded, stop making new ones.

We got to many bats on the dance floor.

At least this isn't Marvel, they would have been all for pointlessly killing off Dick to give Duke his name cause, you know, black guy.

No one hates Tim, people hate Timfags.

The thing I find the most unbelievable about this is that Duke is near and dear to anyone's heart, writer or fan alike lol them pushing him to be a new Robin was obvious.What I find unbelievable is how Snyder thinks the majority actually like his pet characters.

>Why is he getting so much hate?

Comic fans hate new things until they're replaced by newer things. Then the old new thing was great and the new new thing is literally Hitler.

Tim was "killed".

It's weird, rebirth didnt touch Batman, is in fact even more changed.

Damian is already Robin tho.

I don't hate him, but I feel that Snyder's current run on All Star Batman is lessened because of him.
The interplay between Batman and Two Face is interesting on its own and adding a partner tow the mix ruins the chemistry.

This.
Characterfags are cancer

Faggy costume and codename.

He's actually not pushed very hard, if it was a Marvel character he'd have built his own Blackcave™ and stopped the Joker on his own by his third appearance instead of sitting and learning in the Batcave.

I actually really liked We Are Robin, but I guess you can't be a Robin forever, idk

I hate Tim.

No, you don't. There's nothing you hate about Tim.
You don't care about him and you know it.

>even moar members of the Batfam
I already think there's too many

Not the other guy, but I sorta hate Tim.

He is kinda like white wallpaper. He does the job, but he is so damn bland, and then to make him interesting they killed Terry and gave him his spot

Yeah, I honestly have been enjoying him more than Tim.

This also.
Part of why I liked We Are Robin was that the book was mostly removed from the Batfamily shenanigans, allowing the characters to develop on their own.

If the current main Batman book was just Batman mentoring Duke in the vein of DKR for a couple arcs instead of big, crowded crossovers, it'd feel much better.

It would have been better if they really killed Tim and replaced him with Duke.

I mean let's be honest here, Tim has no purpose since he lost the Robin mantle and DC have given him more chances than he deserves. So, give another characters a chance instead.

He's completely nice, helpful and sympathetic character.

...and utterly, utterly boring.

There is no conflict there. He gets along with Bruce. He gets along with Alfred. He gets along with Gotham Girl. He even gets along with *Damian*.

>Or is it really just because of muh Tim and muh Damian?
Pretty much. Most of his haters are Tim fans and Damian fans who feel threatened by his presence.

And also this.

A whole lot of words just to say "he's Black".

Because instead of being another sidekick, which would've been kind of acceptable, he's being trained as an equal to Batman. Y'know. Cuz he's black.

As good a writer as King is, he's still a good little Washington, DC Democrat. That means he gets physically giddy at the thought of his new little pet character BLACKing his pretty little blonde other new pet character. It's actually a little disconcerting to watch it play out in the comics.

Is Batfamily one of the worst thing to happen to Batman?

Kind of.
It's probably good from the marketing point of view, but it often gets in the way of storytelling the same way big events fuck up Marvel.

It should be simply relegated to separate series for a while, it's not like the Batman title isn't a sales magnet.

He'll go the way of the other black Batfamily members

Or Sasha Bordeaux if he's lucky

That's not the concept of the character.

Batman said he didn't needed another Robin, because there was already one and because he doesn't want to go through the whole "Robin > Something New" thing which take ages. If Batman is to train someone is for that person to be his own man.

That's a nice way to spin "black-batman-in-training".

Mostly because people are sick of more batfamily members. Also because he's Snyder pet character and a lot of people didn't like Snyder.

>Johns convinced Snyder

Snyder wanted to do this shit since he introduced him before rebirth

I like it better when Batman's alone. It emphasizes how lonely he really is. If he's surrounded by people doing the same stuff he does he just comes off as angsty.

Because no one wanted Jean-Paul Valley back

Fuck you, Jean-Paul had more fucking character than Tim did, especially after they tried making him Batman 2.0 by killing his fucking dad in the dumbest way possible.

But he doesn't get along with Bruce. There's a whole "you're negligence gave my parents brain damage" thing and he's chomping at the bit to get emancipated from Batman.

Bat Toe Protector

What's wrong with two robins? I would've welcomed Damian/Duke as dual Batman sidekicks

Probably for the same reason people hated Jason. The perception of pushing a character into a role they don't belong in. Although he was more hated for being the replacement of a 30 year old character, but having the same exact kind of setup.

And probably, yeah, having way too many people in the bat family at this point.

How many people have been Robins, Batman, Batwoman, Batgirl, Red Hoods, etc by now? Way more if you start counting bat dog, bat cat, bat cow, etc.

I bet they're gonna totally bypass Dick and Tim and they're gonna give Duke the mantle of Batman.

He's gonna be DC's Miles Morales.

He has a great creation story too. Batman saved me once, so I decided to become a genius-level intellect/computer hacker and world-class fighter.

>Probably for the same reason people hated Jason. The perception of pushing a character into a role they don't belong in
Fans hated Jason because muh dick and his personality and background made some people uncomfortable, not because he didn't fit. Jason was actually a good and interesting take on Robin.

Because he's black

>Why is he getting so much hate?
Racism and a little "NEW THINGS!? NOOOO,' and "WHY ARE THEY CHANGING A GOOD THING!?"
>Is it really because he's being pushed?
Eh.
>He freaking hardly getting more than Tim and Damian before him.
No but there's some weird writing. Batman is fawning over him the way he did with Tim when Tim was being written as a Marty Stu.
He's being written the way Superman might be and it suggests that, like with Tim Drake, he's going to get his own, shitty series full of wankoff fantasies where every hero tells him he's the greatest and every enemy falls in love with him or respects him.

It's not worth hating him over, but in turn Damian is nowhere to be seen in Batman or Snyder's stuff.

The real reason Snyder's doing it, however, is not a matter of pandering or SJW stuff. DC created new rules about original characters, and you only get credit (and credit = money) for them if they're not legacy characters. So while he was originally going to have Harper as a Robin character, he realized he wouldn't get any extra dimes for it. So he started over with Duke, and that's why Batman's constantly saying, 'He's not Robin.'

Because he was just some random teenager and overnight he's a robin with no real training

He really isn't, he gets along very well with Batman, but he feels Batman's not letting him go out and do shit like he does all the Robins. Basically, whenever Duke is out there doing something it's directly under Batman's watch (or against his orders).

The backstory in All-Star Batman is about his 'initiation' into full herohood. Batman is basically getting him past that obstacle so he can pick out a name (Not Robin) and do his own thing.

Have you ever even read anything with Tim in it from before the New 52?

He's even more bland there.
Except every character written around him thinks he's awesome.
It's like if white people really thought about mayonnaise and white bread the way black people think they do.

>Why is he getting so much hate?

He's black, and a lot of comic fans are stupid, insecure, racist, or all three.

Oh, and let's not forget new; "new" is terrifying to idiots.

Lol okay.

I always thought that Snyder is doing pet characters partly because he wants his run to be remembered for something (god knows it won't be for the stories) and partly because he can't write any of the supporting characters.

If your characters aren't remembered they're not going to make you any money.

No one's shelling out cash for Jai and Iris West t-shirts, or clamoring for a series about them.

So why do you like him?

So, why Snyder get criticized for making pet characters while Morrison is getting a free pass? I mean, Damian is pretty much Morrison's pet character.

Damian fits.
He's Batman's son with a long-standing romance.
He's a Robin.

Duke is some black kid whose parents were Jokerized. There's probably hundreds of them in Gotham.
And he's not Robin.

Because Morrison put his toys back to the box, and actually killed Damian off before the end of his run.

It's not his fault that he (accidently?) managed to create something bigger than his Batman run.

Morrison made Damian canon when he was non-canon. He technically did not create him, he mined the past. A little bit different. Also Robin being Batman's son is a new concept. Robin being black is really nothing significantly different.

>Morrison made Damian canon when he was non-canon.
Technically true. I believe Johns started the whole "We gotta lead up to Kingdom Come!" thing in DC.

Yeah, it's a technicality. Morrison essentially created him by determining everything else about him besides the fact that he was Bruce and Talia's child.

So since they have two non-white characters they're not allowed to have any more?

What was "needed" about Cass, Steph, or Huntress? Were those characters pushed for diversity's sake? What about Gotham Girl and Harper Row?

At this point I can't even tell if it's a race thing or just newfags who hate every new character or change to the status quo, but whatever it is it's fucking pathetic. People like you bitched about every single new character in the Batfamily since Jason, including and especially Steph and Cass. People called both of them Mary Sue's and forced diversity. And people bitched about Tim being a tech genius natural talent as well. But because those existed before you started reading comics, they're fine, and everything after is shit. It's the Sup Forums mentality to a "t".

You can bet ten years from now someone will introduce a new character and some faggots will be whining about how Duke doesn't get enough attention.

Fucking get over it and let the writers do their job. If you don't like a character, it's the writer's fault, not the character's.

>What was "needed" about Cass, Steph, or Huntress? Were those characters pushed for diversity's sake? What about Gotham Girl and Harper Row?
Cass and Steph have been fan favorites for years. Didio gets asked about them every time he goes to cons.

Tim was a different kind of Robin back when he was introduced. He was popular enough that he had a pretty long lasting solo and his costume was the one that they went with in BTAS. The problem with some of the new characters is that they don't offer much new. Harper especially, she was basically female Tim with a gay brother.

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>What was "needed" about Cass, Steph, or Huntress? Were those characters pushed for diversity's sake?
Those three were formed a bit more organically and garnered a fanbase via good stories.

whats his name, blackbat?

What's needed are characters that will draw readers.

With Cass and Steph you have a lot of readers who will buy the comic just because of them.

With Duke you have no one.

Someone looked at Kid Flashes costume and said "we can make something dumber than that"

It would be Blackbird.

Blackbat is Cassandra's pre-Rebirth name.

>wears yellow
>is black
Maybe he'll be the new Black Canary.

>Tim was a different kind of Robin back when he was introduced
He was just lucky. He comes after the controversy of Jason's death which made a lot of people feel bad and more accepting of new Robin. DC also have given him a special attention and were desperate for him make to work.

Once the Robin mantle was taken away from him, he fell apart which tells all you need to know about how weak his character is.

Give me a reason to like him.

He's even more "just there" than fucking Tim was, and Tim was the king of just being there.

Eh the problem he was a character that specifically worked as a Robin. That doesn't mean he's a bad Robin. Also it's not like that many writers have handled Tim since he became Red Robin.

i dont know, vampire bat because blacks are sucking our economy dry by wasting away in prison cells and filling up the morgues?

His name is Lark.

I didn't say that he was a bad Robin. I actually think he was really good one.

What I find annoying is how his fans always gloat about the fact that he has a solo series as Robin and used it as a proof that he was the best and ignores other factors that made it possible for him to have a solo book in the first place.

who the fuck? did batman fuse with Rocket Racer?

Well fair enough. It wasn't an intention to gloat, that was included in my post as what I figured was a response to the guy that said Tim was boring.

Johns didn't really start making things like Kingdom Come till the mid 00's. AFAIK Devin Grayson kicked it off when she brought Cyborg back in that gold body in JLA/Titans. That was back in like, 98 or so.

Because Robin is just bad news in the New 52. Dick tis the only normal one and he outgrew the role

Tim dislikes dealing with Bruce and is estranged
Jason died and came back as some magic anti hero
Damian is all sorts of fucked up

New 52 Batman doesn't have a good track record with the identity. Plus Damian is still Robin

>Yellow and black
>Duke will never be eventually rebooted, 5-10+ years from now, as Reverse Batman

I'm indifferent to him. He's no harper, so everything's okay for me.

Ibn isn't Damian.

Ibn was a suave and cool motherfucker. Damian is cringe incarnate.

I always get triggered when people compare Damian with Ibn as if they were the same character.

Morrison forced Damian worse than Snyder's doing with this character.

Not only did he make his OC Batman's son, but he also made his OC a super-scientist capable of finishing the flying Batmobile Batman was having trouble building, and a super-ninja, capable of beating the ass of the then current Robin. He was also pure age and went around beheading C-listers and acting smug about it.

Then right after his introduction he was going around helping the Bat-Family save Batman and starring a new series where he was the newest Robin. Said series, might i add, where he constantly disrespected Dick, the then current Batman, and Alfred.

That's fanfiction levels of pet character.

>Once the Robin mantle was taken away from him, he fell apart which tells all you need to know about how weak his character is.

I wonder what will happen when Damian stop being "THE Robin".

I wish King were mad enough to have Duke killed in action by a cop or something and make a reference of the BLM. Imagine all the shit storm I'd get to see on Sup Forums .