People always talks about Red Batman, Black Batman, not-Batman, blonde superman, other blonde superman, aliener-superman, white batman etc.
Why does Marvel feel the need to have so many clones of the World's Finest?
Aside from joke characters, DC doesnt really care or tries to have their own "spiderman" or "wolverine".
Why does Marvel suffers from Capeenvy?
Sentry is a far cry from Supes lol
Because you're a fagget.
>DC doesnt really care or tries to have their own "spiderman" or "wolverine"
Is this bait?
It's a company wars thread
Just like gladiator, hyperion, or sun god right?
Oh, of course.
Who the fuck is Red Batman?
And if you're referring to Black Panther as Black Batman, while it's a nice meme it's really not true.
Oh, wait I guess you mean Daredevil. That's a reach also.
Moon Knight isn't Batman. The only similarities between them is that both might not have any powers, they both operate at night, and they both use gadgets off their belt. Everything else is different. Marvel hasn't built their brand around Moon Knight, and he barely ever even appears.
I like Batman. Moon Knight is the only Marvel comic I read because the rest is filled with feminist propaganda. Maybe I like it because it reminds me a little bit of Bats?
They literally called him Red Batman in a book, user.
which hero is DC's Spider-Man? which one Wolverine
Yeah, a total reach.
Marvel hasn't really built their brand around two characters
>Spider-Man?
Black Spider, but he is a joke character i guess
Or Ted Kord in that one 90's cover from Extreme Justice?
>which one Wolverine
Probably some character that is older than Wolverine and totally irrelevant.
Why are people looking at this so superficially when they're obvious homages?
Also
DC:
Black Spider (Young Justice) = Spider-Man
Commander Steel/Gaurdian = Cap
Aquaman = Namor
Doctor Polaris = Magneto
There are more but both companies have homages to one another. OP is just being a faggot.
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Jamie Reyes Blue Beetle and Hawkman.
I forget, was it DD who inspired Nightwing or the other way around?
>and Hawkman
KEK
Schizophrenic superman and Schizophrenic batman team up? this shit looks awesome.
Look, I don't give two shits about Hawkman but there's no denying DC was trying to push him as their Wolverine in the New 52. Did it work? Of course not. No one likes or cares about Hawkman. But they tried it.
>there's no denying DC was trying to push him as their Wolverine in the New 52
Actually it can be denied. Being a jackass, is hardly a "wolverine thing".
Huh, guess it was just a coincidence they labeled his book the Savage Hawkman then...
>I don't give two shits about Hawkman
Well, clearly.
There was a "savage wolverine" book?
Hawkman is a BARBARIAN type, and has been a BARBARIAN type since well before Wolverine even existed.
>Sentry
>Not Marvelman
Hahahahah, what a fucking clueless nigger faggot you are.
Why don't you try actually READING comics?
he is right, they even used Sentry as a stand-in for Superman when they were mocking the Justice League in Marvel Zombie
>Marvelman
>not Captain Marvel
Miracleman was a different take on marvelman. and more important you casual pleb. Sentry was more like pic related you dumbass.
But pretending Sentry isnt yet another Superman proxy is being just a pathetic marvel fanboy.
Are you retarded?
Marvelman not only predates Triump, but Sentry v1 is a clean rip off of Moore's first arc in Marvelman.
Not sure how you could be so clueless, but oh well.
I didnt said Triumph is older than Miracleman you dumb pleb.
No but you seem to think that Sentry is based off of Triumph like the dumb fucking nigger that you are.
Neck yourself you pathetic loser.
>There was a "savage wolverine" book?
Yeah, this bruh.
Nigga Savage Hawkman came out before Savage Wolverine stop being fucking retarded
You dumbass, you should check who triumph is and his interactions with the rest of the universe.
He was a more direct "inspiration". Also, you are a sad person, Sentry was another Superman and Marvel didnt even tried to hide it. If Jenkins openly calls Sentry a Superman proxy why is hard for you to accept it?
Cool, i liked Savage Namor back in the day.
Are you autistic?
>Moon Knight doesn't have any powers
>>Moon Knight doesn't have any powers
Not him, but sure, usually he doesnt.
Most of his incarnations have increased physical stats (at different levels) and some vague type of magic, what are you talking about?
Moon knight is was basically a funny parody of batman. but later developed into a real character.
Not all the time that was his gimmick
70's Moon was GOAT
What the fuck is even going on in this what panel? What are they punching exactly?
Guardian doesn't count because he's LITERALLY Jack Kirby's Captain America prototype. And YJ Black Spider is pushing it since it's an adaptation and Black Spider is nothing like that (the creators just wanted to have a Spiderman reference since they made Spectacular.)
>Who the fuck is Red Batman?
He's more sad Spider-Man
And Joe Simon's. As for Black Spider, sure, it was a Joke character.
DD is earlier, but I don't know if he directly inspired Nightwing
He inspired Kyle Relationships.
at least they're acknowledging it. good on ya, Mark Waid
There was no ''inspiring'', Nightwing straight up ripped-off Daredevil. That's, of course, after Miller used everything that made his Daredevil run good to reboot Batman. So, Batman ripped-off Daredevil too., the modern gritty incarnation at least.
If DC done it, they done it first.
If Marvel done it better, it doesn't matter because DC done it first.
>Marvel done it better
literally never happened.
>., the modern gritty incarnation at least.
Said by any idiot that never touched any O'neil book from the 70's, the same books that inspired Miller.
As for the " Nightwing straight up ripped-off Daredevil". Aside from probably some shared elements about Bludhaven i can't think about anything.
Relax girls, it's just comics
>If DC done it, they done it first
Except, you know, Batman, who is literally just a rip-off of Sherlock Holmes, The Shadow and Dracula.
>Casuals are so casual that they don't even name the real inspirations
My casual friend, Batman was inspired by the shadow, Doc Savage, and ZORRO.
Look, just shut up, read more comics
Reading early Moon Knight runs, he was always a crazy version of batman.
Not him, but while i like modern moon, i will always like crazy white batman more.
>My casual friend
I can taste the euphoria.
>Batman isn't a rip-off of Sherlock Holmes
>genius detective learned in many sciences, skills and martial arts who has mental problems
>Batman isn't a ripoff of Dracula
>entire bat motiff
If forgot about Zorro and Doc Savage, but how exactly is that disproving my point?
>Batman was inspired
>just taking things from other characters and mix and matching them without adding anything of your own is ''inspiration''
Topkek, Batfags should just end themselves.
>read more comics
Seek sunlight.
>dracula because bats
Dude. Dude. You're making a fool of yourself.
Batman started out as a ripoff of the SHADOW. Come on.
Read the whole chain then, i mention Shadow in my previous post.
>Literally wearing the iconic Dracula cape
>DUDE IT'S JUST A COINCIDENCE
>>Batman isn't a ripoff of Dracula>entire bat motiff
Bats were a satanic symbol, an OMEN of evil.
Same origin you dumbass.
As for Sherlock just shot yourself. No one will make you like batman, or force you to learn shit, but don't repeat crap you heard, it just makes you sound retarded.
Yeah you inbred
>As for Sherlock just shot yourself
>literally can't even deny it so just rages
Beautiful.
>Same origin you dumbass.
So was prowling the night from rooftops, i'm sure.
>No one will make you like batman
I actually love Batman. I'm just not a delusional retard. I love Superman too, and he's just a rip-off of Moses, Hercules and Samson and the like. Well, at least the alien part is original.
>but don't repeat crap you heard
It takes more then two brain cells to figure out on your own that all Batman ripped-off all these famous characters that came before him and have his core traits, so i can't blame you.
>it just makes you sound retarded
Literally everything you write makes you look like an angry manchild, and it's pathetic.
>DC doesnt really care or tries to have their own "spiderman" or "wolverine".
spiderman = blue beetle, black spider.
wolverine = Timberwolf, timberwolf is older than wolverine but they have been stealing from each other as years goes by, also lobo is a parody of wolverine and punisher.
also warblade belongs to DC now, another copy of wolverine.
>>Literally wearing the iconic Dracula cape
1. In 1939 there wasnt such a thing as "dracula cape"
2. In the book he doesnt even wear a cape
3. The cape designe had nothing to do with Batman's, even a casual like you should know about Leo's story
>So was prowling the night from rooftops, i'm sure.
Dracula never did that. Your Sherlock claim is just insane, he was on a book called DETECTIVE comics, the entire 30's decade had hundred of DETECTIVE protagonists in comics. Sherlock wasnt a influence on Batman.
You clearly don't know shit about Sherlock or Dracula.
>he was on a book called DETECTIVE comics, the entire 30's decade had hundred of DETECTIVE protagonists in comics
I'm sure all of them were also genius scientists and master martial artist with mental problems and a thief lover.
Hell on top of that Batman's always been depicted with a scalloped cape while Dracula's is usually shown with a straight trim and a high collar. There's no resemblence other than both are capes.
Sherlock wasnt a martial artist, he was a good boxer, 4 out of 6 if i recall correctly, as for scientist he was great with chemistry, and little more.
The Mental problems? What are you talking about? Batman was result of a trauma, but doesnt have any "mental problems" before the bronze age. While Sherlock's adiction to drugs wasnt considered a problem by Doyle neither his peculiar personality. At least no more than any other popular character from the Era. You are forcing connections that didnt existed in 1939, just like you did with Dracula
If you knew anything about Doc Savage you would know that what you said describes him, not Sherlock, he was the original peak human.
He first said Batman copied D
>he was the original peak human
I never said Sherlock was peak human.
>herlock wasnt a martial artist, he was a good boxer, 4 out of 6 if i recall correctly
>as for scientist he was great with chemistry, and little more
Yea, they're totally not gonna enhance all of that, nope, if somebody does a rip-off it has to be literally copy-paste.
>but doesnt have any "mental problems" before the bronze age
One could argue that a freaking billionare dressing up as a bat to beat thugs in allies half to death at night points to quite a bit of mental problems, but that would be reaching.
>Moon Knight is Marvel's Batman
You want to know how I know you're a filthy casual?
Well he is rich enough to afford themed vehicles, has mental problems, and throws fuckin' boomerangs.
>One could argue that a lawyer dressing up as a devil to beat thugs in allies half to death at night points to quite a bit of mental problems, but that would be reaching.
This is why the "batman is crazy" meme is one of the best ways to detect a casual, Calling him paranoid is a safe second.
>Yea, they're totally not gonna enhance all of that, nope, if somebody does a rip-off it has to be literally copy-paste.
Actually they did copy pasted... FROM DOC SAVAGE, not from Sherlock.
Hadn't he just dropped out of his helicopter or something onto that jeep?
Comparing Moon Knight to Batman is like comparing Donald Trump to Hitler
>Marvel literally paired Sentry and Moon Knight for that very reason
Clearly they both went for the cross counter but fucked it up
He pulverized that fucking jeep without any damage to his legs whatsoever, is this normal to you?
A normal human would've shattered their legs landing like that onto a car
comics
>This is why the "batman is crazy" meme is one of the best ways to detect a casual
>dresses like a bat and has everything bat-themed
>believes Batman is his real self and Bruce Wayne is the mask
>literally regressed back to a child when shown an illusion of his parents
Yup, just a completely normal, sound of mind person here.
And his relationship with Joker is a whole nother subject.
Guys. Moon knight doesnt have above peak powers most of the time. And by time i mean most days.
More like Superman and Prime.
>b-but captain marvel
Not really. Comic humans are skilled aim-dodgers and can take some pretty nasty bumps, but this is clear superhuman territory.
Lobo is literally a Wolverine Parody
And current Blue Beetle is pretty close to Spider-man.
I mean I love Moon Knight, but let's be real here, the parallels are there
>Motivated by vengeance - Moony is the avatar of the god of vengeance, Batman wants to avenge his parents deaths - I am vengeance, I am the night etc.
There's also a fair bit of atonement to their characters
>Batman "is" the night, MK's motif is of a dominant feature of the night
>Both have rich playboy personas that mask their true selves
>Both have a variety of gadgets, vehicles and weapons shaped or themed around their motif
>Mental illness plays a large part in both characters, although in different forms
>Both are considered creepy/intimidating/plain crazy by many of their peers
He's not a superhuman at that point so it's not
It's comic physics at work. Probably bad writing, sure, but still comic physics
Oh yeah, and both had a young sidekick that turned bad
>>This is why the "batman is crazy" meme is one of the best ways to detect a casual>dresses like a bat and has everything bat-themed
So, spiderman and superman are crazy too?
>believes Batman is his real self and Bruce Wayne is the mask
Nice job, i watched cartoons too, i didnt took my canon from that tho, but nice, keep showing how casual you are
>Mental illness plays a large part in both characters
I don't think DC has ever admitted batman is legitimately nuts
Moon is SOMETIMES superhuman.
There is only one character in comics that can do shit like this but isn't consider superhuman, and that's Batman. Batman constantly does shit like dodge bullets, rip through steel and concrete with little effort and take stuff that would outright liquify any man. It's because he's the only non-powered street leveler who maxed out literally every stat available. Everyone else is
>master or grandmaster of martial arts
>maximum strength/speed/agility for their size
>slightly superhuman durability/stamina
with Batman it's:
>god of martial arts
>better at every single physical discipline then the world record holder by a good margin (faster then bolt, stronger then the strongest strongman, more agile then a chinese acrobat etc.)
>can fight for days and survive things that would outright kill any street-leveler
So yea, what Moon Knight did here is at least Batman-tier superhuman.
Well, you have stuff like Arkham Asylum as a central fixture, the Joker as his antithesis, and so on. That and people (as well as Bats himself) question his sanity like five times a week, same as Moon Knight. Moon Knight's stories these days are just more centered around it as a feature of his actual character, rather than an element of the story which is how I always see it presented with Batman
>Well, you have stuff like Arkham Asylum as a central fixture
That wasnt about him being mentally ill, but about the crazyness of being batman
>the Joker as his antithesis
Casual shit.
Batman has personality disorders, he isnt crazy, he is anti-social.
>So, spiderman and superman are crazy too?
Superman is a god, he can dress however he wants.
Spiderman was a scared kid that needed to protect his identity, while at the same time living out his hero fantasies.
How are you this retarded?
>Nice job, i watched cartoons too, i didnt took my canon from that tho
Maybe you should try reading a comic sometimes then. Bats doesn't particularly care about the Wayne persona and would just come up with a new one if he was ever compromised, while being Batman is the most important thing in his life.
I mean Arkham Asylum the actual in-story asylum, not the Morrison comic. My original point was that mental illness is a large part of Batman's stories as it is Moon Knight's, but they take different forms. With Moon Knight, it's a core feature of his character. With Batman, it's a core feature of his world and his villains and *sometimes* his character
anti-social in terms of personality disorders means he's sociopathic
>Bats doesn't particularly care about the Wayne persona
Bruce Wayne not caring about the legacy of his PARENTS is one of the most retared things you had said so far.
Because Superman and Batman are the first and greatest heroes and literally every other character is a derivative copy of them, intentionally or unintentionally.
It's not really a problem because characters will feel different but at the end of the day you're either a super powered god or a tech hero.