Question to Actual Masons

I turned in my application today and will be meeting next week.

I already know quite a heavy amount about Masonry & Egyptian religions.

I have an honest question.
I have always seemed the truth in things and am extremely curious as to the nature of many things.

1. Considering I am what I would call very redpilled in many ways; and am planning on not discussing power levels with people. Is it acceptable to still study the mysteries I do while becoming an apprentice?

2. I am also listening to all of Bill Cooper's audiologs to gain a better understanding. I'm not looking to stop anything or jump in the way of anything; I am simply seeking knowledge anywhere I can find it. Is this frowned upon?

3. What things drew you to this? I have always been interested since a child and have read about them since being a child.

4. Without revealing anything; can you describe the feelings you went through in your degrees?

5. I am ultimately seeking scientific(magical) knowledge that I would like to know personally to better myself. If I do happen upon knowledge; an example is people studying quantum and basing the math off of hidden math. What can I expect? Is this promoted or encouraged? And if I do follow a scientific route are there specific groups that are related to that?

6. Do you have questions for me?

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You're going to be very disappointed user, surrounded by a limited number of fat, old guys who drink.
All your ideas about "Illuminati" and that you'll be ruling the world and learning cool secrets and having orgies are from reading too many comic books.

Also if you could post your degrees and organizational body so I can gauge how trustworthy your info is.

It looks like most people that join don't advance very far. Were you redpilled before or after joining?

From reading and listening to many things, it seems like even higher members at some times don't know the rituals or why they do them, let alone the reason for the meaning. Is this true?

I'm actually not looking for ruling the world, orgies, or anything of the sort.

I simply want to better myself and learn what is out there. And this gives me access to something to better myself.

Considering I am not religious but I am spiritual I do feel I have lost what many "church goers" have. And that is a sense of community and a location outside of home to study.

I am happy with those things

Would I get in trouble for listening to Cooper even if I don't agree with him?

I don't believe in limiting my education, do they impose a stranglehold on my knowledge and learning?

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1. It's recommended.
2. No, but hopefully you have enough critical thinking ability to spot his copious amounts of bullshit
3. Initially? Movies and shite.
4. Can't think of a good word, but like i could feel free to learn what i like without it seeming stupid.
5. Promoted. You'll see in the 2nd degree.
6. What state?

>wanting to be a freemason
Kill yourself.

as long as you reject christ and embrace lucifer everything is hunky dory

No. Hell, it's suggested that you seek out things which challenge your views so that you can analyse them. You should get Chick Tracts, and Leo Taxil shit too, because if you can't refute them (or study them to see where they fall apart), maybe that's telling you something?

"Hey senpai it's me, Trayvon Martin's dad! Glad you decided to join the Masons! I'm one as well! Looking forward to being your brother in some spooky esoteric satanic faggot cult!"

1. Thank you
2. Yes he is a little twisted in the Jesus department
3. Funny! It was spy books for me as a child and learning different codes.
4. Excellent I like the idea of that, I have no one to discuss the things that I am genuinely interested in such as science, metaphysics and bringing the gap between the two. And simply learning.

5. This is a big yes then, that is what I want. Simply another avenue of knowledge

6. Somewhere on the west. Say you and I went to the same lodge, would I be in trouble for asking these questions on here? I'm not requesting people to give away any info nor would I want them to betray their oaths.

How far are you? And regarding the mystery religions of initial. And simply the original light bringer. How many people do you see are completely blind to the true nature of it? M

I have no problem with that. In my mind they are one in the same already.

The original Jesus was in on it and the church created all of the religions as a tool for control anyways.

I simply want knowledge and progress.

Really! This is great news. I regularly suscribe to conflicting newsfeeds and seek them out just to see what they say and test it

Fuck off devil worshiper nobody cares about this thread except other degenerates like you.

Wow, that makes a lot of sense if this is real. Story?

There is no devil, there is only light and the absence of it.

>Say you and I went to the same lodge, would I be in trouble for asking these questions on here?
Not at all. I mean, plenty of Masons on here, but you're free to ask questions all the time. The only thing which can't be divulged are the specific secrets which you'll learn. They're just the pass words, grips, and salutes like a test of merit. Everything else it's recommended you share to see what benefit it can bring.
>How far are you?
Hard to say, really. Been a member for quite a few years and have some fancy accoutrements and a stocked library, but could never really qualify how far along a path of knowledge i might be.

He was in a fake Grand Lodge. You should learn about them in time. Very popular among negroes in the USA. Still somewhat spoopy.

Just stop filthy Jew.

Yes the prince lodges are a joke

What if I already know all the grips and pass phrases of the first 3 levels because of my voracious appetite for reading?

I probably should not ever bring it up right? I've looked up countless Masonic books because I was interested in them for a long time.

So, the other Mason's in your lodge, are they redpilled to the actual ruling and slave wage system? What about he sovereignty of Mason's?

And?

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Are there other people who can legitimately answer this question or have any tips?

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I'm a member of the UGLE.

>Considering I am what I would call very redpilled in many ways; and am planning on not discussing power levels with people.

Don't.

You must leave your childish red pills at home, it doesn't matter if a cat is black or white as long as it catches mice.


>What things drew you to this?
My father his father and so on were all freemasons

>Without revealing anything; can you describe the feelings you went through in your degrees?
I didn't feel anything.

>devil worshiper
We're followers of the kabbalah not the qlippoth child.

Level?
And I wasn't speaking of childish redpills, but mostly of ones reading out of Masonic books.

Did you only join because of your family?

Jesus is "lucifer".

These were the small pills I was talking about.

The people in your lodge, are they of the same mind as you?

What's even the point of being a mason? Seems like all they do is get together everyone in a while and circlejerk about random pointless topics. I could do this with any group of people.

I'm genuinely curious. What's the point of it?

Naw, they can be pretty good, because the negroes in them feel like they have to try harder. Worth visiting. Just that there are a lot of fake ones out there to scam cash.

Yea, don't mention that. It's not a big deal, but I'd still avoid saying anything. Just take on board what the lectures/charges say.
>So, the other Mason's in your lodge, are they redpilled to the actual ruling and slave wage system?
Some are. I mean, Masonry itself does a good job of it, but somehow there are some hardcore liberal fucktards who won't be moved.
>What about he sovereignty of Mason's?
How so?

That is true, I guess they are doing the same, just bettering themselves.

Lets just say that I'm not a entered apprentice,fellow craft nor a master mason.

>Did you only join because of your family?
At first I did but I carried on out of my own will.
It really depends on how much they know, but we all follow the same spirit the more "uninformed" ones usually choose some kind of deity to represent it though.

You should become a Jahanist instead.

>Lets just say that I'm not a entered apprentice,fellow craft nor a master mason.
Then you're not a member? Don't pull any shite like PM, because that's still MM.

Okay , thank you. I wasn't planning on it.


A long time ago I had spoken to one member in his house and we discussed that they would have a meeting. And I said something about what are the possibilities of people being blackballed with the votes. He paused, laughed and asked how I knew the specific procedures of the way the votes are cast and I explained that I thought I overheard it or something. I think one of the other Masons had accidentally told me. 5 years later that mason is now WM

Which brings me to another question, of course you can't discuss the specifics. But parts of the knowledge, the conclusions of higher degrees. If I am in an in depth discussion with someone higher than me. What if I reveal parts of my own belief that I'm almost positive fit in with higher degrees. Are they able to continue the discussion. I don't want to accidentally discuss stuff that is higher than my level which I feel I may accidentally do so in just basic discussion about consciousness and how I think some things work

I'm not going to bring up Jesus or any names, Because I actually don't believe in any of the named "gods" I do believe in God, the word and the law.


Also being a BritBong, do you know of Thomas Troward?

Are you a member of the UGLE? No? Then please be quiet.

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Yea, of course they are. Part of the EA obligation is that you won't seek out the secrets of a higher degree, but it can't be helped if you're already in posession of the knowledge surrounding it.
Ie. If you've just been passed to the 2nd degree, you can feel free to chat with a 31st member (or in your country, 32nd is all there is) about Kemetism and the weighing of the heart ceremony.
I should add the caveat that anything after the 3rd degree isn't Freemasonry anyway (except for Mark and Royal Arch), just appendant.

Yes, actually. I'm affiliated with a lodge in PGL Somserset. So you were saying?

Being from UGLE, what is the transferring capabilities... Do Masons visit other lodges or transfer to other lodges. If you had someone from the Americas visit and live near there in the future, how would they be treated?

I do understand that it is appendant.

Okay, so how would that be discussed, would someone accuse me of searching higher degree knowledge or would I have a chance to explain that I knew before hand?

Probably better just not to discuss it? But if that is true then that would suck for discourse and restriction.

So am I what is your name?
Very rarely
>If you had someone from the Americas visit and live near there in the future, how would they be treated?
Like any other brother of the craft.

Would it depend on degrees or specific bodies?

And if anyone else viewing wants to answer I would appreciate that.

>Do Masons visit other lodges or transfer to other lodges.
All the time. It's encouraged, as long as you're from a recognised (real) Grand Lodge. You just need a letter from your Grand Secretary if you travel to another jurisdiction (state/country), and you as an American will need your dues card.

>would someone accuse me of searching higher degree knowledge
Nah. No one would even care. It's not that strict. Worst you might hear is "wait a bit, and you'll see."

Name? No chance. I will say 5134, though, on the slim chance you're legit.

Sometimes yes. USA does things very differently.

>tfw grandfather in law is a Shriner
>tfw great uncle was a Nazi
>all of my families friends are Masons

Not sure if there's some sort of coincidence going on here...

Are the masons globalists?

USA does things differently?!

I was wondering this. Especially because of our measuring system really is great! And the words in English. Plus the fact that USA is a mason nation.

Is the USA does stuff differently good or bad?

No such thing as coincidences

Do you feel that we will be under one government anyways?

Look at what has happened to nations that were taken over by "civilized" nations. They were usually left better off then they were initially found in.

I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that I live in a Manhattan project town that still operates.

Old men ruling the world and all that.

I truly believe that it was taken over a long time ago, there is always something above you as well as below you.

I feel it is infinite in both ways

No. Nationalists. Except for the fake French style Grand Lodges.

Just... different. Some good, some bad. It's tough to explain to a non-member, but if you join and go overseas (or to Canada), you'll see what i mean.
For the Craft, it's just that ya'll have an older style ritual (which is nice), but then miss out on a lot of things. The worst parts are the appendant degrees. It really is split between "York Rite/Scottish Rite", and the dozens outside those are neglected.
Then there's one day classes and reunions...

So the masons are for or against self-goverened white homogeneous cultures?

You meet useful people

I noticed that, can you really only pick one of the two?

I think eventually i will go scottish.

I saw the 7 for York, but read somewhere there was the same amount of degrees between Scottish and York...


Can you go into Scottish and also other bodies, what or KoM? And the others.

I wouldn't know, my reasoning is personal development and changing the world through the individual.

>No. Nationalists.
Really? In what way? I'm thinking of joining, but don't want to go against my own morals. (White nationalist)

Naw, you can take them both. The issue is just that those degrees are the only ones given attention in the USA, so the better educational ones are left as even more niche.
And yea, the A&AR (Scottish) is good, but the system of going from 4th-32nd straight up is a bit iffy. If you're in the Southern Jurisdiction they're better, though.
And it's still better to join Royal Arch first, as the Mark Master degree completes the Fellowcraft (2nd), and HRA completes the 3rd.
>Can you go into Scottish and also other bodies, what or KoM? And the others.
Pic related for the most part. Most of those are invitational in the USA. Or worst of all, limited to once per year at Masonic Week in Virginia.
But AMD is probably the best one that Americans can join.

Yeah, your just going down a deep and dark rabbit hole into satanism buddy. You won't get far, and you'll be miserable. Magic, like skyrim type magic is of course real, has existed since the beginning of man, but it's satanic. Only the few elite are able to practice.

Trust me. I found myself waked out on LSD laying on my floor talking to a literal demon because I wanted to seek more knowledge. Knowledge will corrupt and destroy you. But, you do what you will. Though I must warn you, Satan is real, good vs evil is real. The whole thing. Its all real.
best of luck to you,
don't follow the green road once you get there. You'll know what I'm talking about. Take the white road. DON'T TAKE THE GREEN ROAD IT WILL KILL YOU.

So freemasonry is for those edgy kids who never grow up?

nice quads satan

>3. What things drew you to this? I have always been interested since a child and have read about them since being a child.
Mostly nepotism and cronyism. If you're expecting much else, you're going to be disappointed.

It's all about your duty to your family, and extrapolates out (i don't feel like typing out the lectures) to what's best for you and your family is what's best for your nation. That too expands into economic theory, such as how immigration from foreign people is detrimental (mentioned in the 6th or 7th degree of the A&AR, in fact). It's against miscegination too, in some of the lectures.

Green/white road?

Is this left/right?

I am more than likely inclined to take the lighter paths.

ItalyAnon... Tell me of Galati

There seems to be a lot of rumors of satanism throughout freemasonry. How does that wholesomely benefit my family? Or is the satanism just a meme?

I do genuinely wonder which would fit me better as an individual with my traits. I guess I will have to wait until I've reached that point to makes a decision

What do you guys know about the Shriners? My grandfather was one and it's always tickled my curiosity.

>Trust me. I found myself waked out on LSD laying on my floor talking to a literal demon because I wanted to seek more knowledge

>trust me, I took hallucinogens and was tripping balls

KEK,

>about Masonry & Egyptian religions.
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That was just made up by an anti-Catholic pornographer in the employ of the Vatican. He later recanted it to point out that they were idiots, but the lie stuck.

You're free to do them all. Or none. Entirely up to you. Technically you shouldn't need any of the others, but people find reasons to join them.

A joke degree taken too seriously. They do incredible charity work, though.

Not Italy a chara

My brightness was on 0% sorry for the mistake :)

So what's the easiest way to join? I live east of Sacramento, CA (if that matters)

Can someone tell me if Bill Schnoeblen is legit, or full of shit?

Though I guess if he really did expose secrets of freemasonry, no masons on this thread would admit it...

Just ask.
If you don't know any members, try this freemason.org/becomeMember/lodgeLocator.htm or email/call them directly.

Incredibly full of shit. Like, it's doubtful he was even a member there's so much shit he got wrong. Things you can easily google to disprove.

Exactly this Once you locate your lodge, print out their sheet and then read this freemason.org/discoverMasonry/applicantInformation.htm

Bring it in, pay your dues. Meet people, they will vet you and run a background check. Good luck user

>Magic, like skyrim type magic is of course real
>of course

Why eat a mustard seed when a whole melon will do?

Does anyone know of what he is talking about green/white roads?

So they're going to come to my house? That's what I got from that

He's talking about acid, he litteraly said it

Yes, background check, talk to your wife if applicable.

Multiple interview

Yea. The process is:
>1. You ask someone
>2. Your name is presented to the lodge to get an initial reaction
>3. You're given petition papers, and have to get character references.
>3a. They might get a police background check on you
>4. You have an interview at you home (or suitable place), with your wife/girlfriend/family if applicable (if they're against you joining, you won't get in)
>5. Papers are returned, and interview is discussed in lodge
>6. Papers and report go to Grand Lodge
>7. Permission to ballot is given to Lodge
>8. Ballot is taken
>9. You're informed of the outcome
>10. You go along for your initiation
Sometimes the steps are switched up, but it can still take forever. I don't know if California has a dress standard, but you might want to get a dinner suit if you're going to join.

How is that related to acid?

I was told it would be around November by the time I would know.

I applied today, I'm going in on Tuesday to have dinner with Masons.

Can confirm CaliAnon

Ah yes, i forgot that they sometimes ask prospectives to come along to festive boards (banquets) to get to know everyone.

Also any clue of what people usually look for in the house visit?

My house is pretty regular, big ass flag ('Merica) and just normal trappings of a house. Anything I should put away. I know that my clothes are an extension of me, and by that logic my house is an extension of me. Would they want to view my bedroom or simply discuss in my kitchen / livingroom

Thank you this is really helpful. I know there is a ton of knowledge to be gained through masonry.. but what about the connections that are made? Does it help in things like business or finding jobs?

I had been to one 5 years ago, it was actually really nice. ( I was married, now divorced )... My wife made a small spectacle, I was kind of embarrassed that she would seriously make me look bad, there was only a momentary pause in conversation... And later on he invited me to his house and we had a very nice discussion , and talked about dues. I just did not pursue it any further because I don't think I was ready at the time. I am now. Also looking back I was not 21 anyways

Yes, but this should not be your primary motivator

Naw, it's not like a hardcore inspection. Just a way of making sure you're not entirely destitute, an alcoholic, hoarder, or storing corpses of victims in your dining room for snacks.

Nothing really. People who try to join for them get kicked out.

I don't know much about masonery but I've seen weird shit on lsd, someone who's into esoteric stuff can easily interpret that as a mystical experience

My roommate likes to keep empty alcohol bottles as decorations ...

Kind of what I was thinking