Cyclops gets info from the future that the phoenix will create new mutants, and Hope will do it

>Cyclops gets info from the future that the phoenix will create new mutants, and Hope will do it
>Avengers based on off-hand info try to stop him, end up forcing Phoenix into the X-Men and making them fairly crazy, they are shown to be very crazy during the individual stories due to not being appropriate hosts for Phoenix.
>Cyclops info from the future turned out to be entirely correct, but since he killed a guy while possessed, he's now a villain and everything he did was wrong. Even though none of this should have been a fight in the first place, Avengers brought an army to X-men Island and started a crazy fight, when they could have just shared info from the start. Cyclops had future info. Entire event was shit
>Cyclops breaks out of prison because a mutant was killed in Prison, showing that racism is still alive, and you need a man on the outside to be Wolverine/Magneto, to influence some idea of fear in people to not just randomly kill mutants.
>He threatens some revolution, turns he never had a plan here. It was only about pretending to be some threat, so that people would still be a bit wary. He never really did anything wrong when he was a rebel, he was too much of a puss to do much wrong
>His grand revolution finally comes into play, and it turns out his idea of revolution is just leading a peaceful protest in front of Washington, to prove that he could do it without being killed, to show that it was within his rights.

skip forward.

>Inhumans kill a fuckload of mutants by spreading gas across the world without understanding the effects
>???
>Somehow now he's considered Hitler, literally referred to as the new Hitler by Marvel, completely shit on in Marvel books as a villain who did some evil twisted shit

Did any of this plot line ever make sense? We were supposed to hate him? This feels like Civil War all over again. He was literally called basically Hitler recently.

That event was what, two years ago? You don't honestly expect the people in charge to remember that do you?

They keep saying he did something big and bad and we'll see it someday.

its been two years.

we're fucking waiting.

stopped reading at "the phoenix"

because it's a world-burning force

Cyclops is pretty quiet about that, eh? all those worlds it destroyed just on that one journey to earth to "restore" mutants, which was done without ever asking the people who were mutated

i seem to recall when Doom dropped a Symbiote bomb on New York it was an act of international terrorism

i seem to recall that when there was a cure for the x-gene the X-Men were violently opposed to it being distributed at all, let alone with the consent of those taking it

but them mutating millions of people is A-OK, because we all know the X-Men are moral people with telepaths, precogs and reality warpers to call upon in their time of need who would never let a bus full of kids be blown up for no raisin

>>Cyclops info from the future turned out to be entirely correct
except for the part that his training was fucking useless and almost sent a completely unprepared Hope to the grinder, ready to be taken by Dark Phoenix.

If the Avengers hadn't stopped the Phoenix in the moon, Cyclops would've been the first to die.

The big bad thing was his face on a global psychic message telling the human race that The Inhumans have poisoned them as well as mutants, which was a lie: the humans are safe from Terrigen mists.
(this happened in Death of X #2)
That caused worldwide panic and worldwide personal involvement in this conflict that was being initiated.
And that's the other thing: Everyone the world over saw Cyclops declare a race war based upon a lie.
Once the humans find out that they're safe in the mists, and that the weird and scary mutants lied to them, and the poor-poor Inhumans are being lied about... who's side are they going to take in this war that they've seen a mutant calling for?

Rightclops was finally too ballsy for his own good. And that's why everyone hates Scott Summers now.

How is Cyclops infor from a possible future not off hand, while Nova telling them and their own own scans verifying that phoenix was destroying multiple planets was off hand?

>except for the part that his training was fucking useless and almost sent a completely unprepared Hope to the grinder, ready to be taken by Dark Phoenix.

Right, because Spider-man telling her to believe in herself and responsibility turned out to be worth a hundred times more than all the future training she received. Despite how none of that made sense.

Story was kinda garbage.

>You don't honestly expect the people in charge to remember that do you?
Why not?

>I'm right because "it would have been like I say"
You sure? What evidence of that do you actually have?

Here's another one: Hope was prepared to host The Phoenix Force by the time she was ACCIDENTALLY ALLOWED BY THE AVENGERS to take possession of it.

Why exactly did Spider-Man train her how to host The Phoenix Force at a time when all the Avengers were trying to take down The Phoenix Five? Is that really what happened?
Was Spider-Man ignoring the order to train Hope in how to combat The Phoenix Five on behalf of The Avengers?
And what makes you think that a slogan from Spidey cancelled out any and all training in self-control that Hope received from Rightclops?
How do you know that Hope forgot that training when Spider-Man started teaching her?
What special value did learning a magic Kung-Fu punch bring to controlling herself when she was finally all hopped up on Phoenix god-juice powers?
And (here's a good one) when exactly was the Avenger's plan changed from NOT letting Hope have it to simply letting Hope have it????
( I don't remember that text bubble.)

Obviously Marvel are secretly neo-nazis.
They make a sympathetic character who did nothing wrong. They have him abused wearing the slings and arrows for all his people. They have his people turn on him. They have his people destroyed and they say that his last attempt at survival was the height of evil. Then they call him hilter.
Pretty fucking weird way to characterised Hitler 2bh

>arguing with rightfags
>even acknowledging rightfags

You're either a rightfag or you're wrong

Didn't that only work because of Wanda and Hope combing the Phoenix force with chaos magic?

The x-men are hypocrites, they have been for decades, it's nothing new.

But by virtue of being a rightfag you are automatically wrong, so you're wrong either way.

The "logic" of your post is dependent upon the false premise that Marvel has ever called Cyclops "Hitler".
Marvel never called him that. Sup Forums's little invasion of meme-pushing shitposts on Sup Forums called him that.
The comparison to Hitler came entirely from shitposters pushing their meme.
As for that meme being a concerted effort by neo-Nazis to elevate Adolf Hitler ... well that seems to be what that Sup Forums shitposting motivation has always been.
So you're right about it being an effort by neo-Nazis. But you forgot to mention your own involvement here.
Now stop breaking the board rules with these intentionally off-topic and intentionally offensive shitposts and go back to Sup Forums.

The mists were poisonous to humans though, just a small percentage of them.

...

See:

Typical retard bailing out after he's been made a fool of. Not even a how-de-do before tucking tail and disappearing.

Recent issue of Champions

Also at a recent interview, the writer says "Its like the teen version of Hitler". He is being referred to as Hitler lately. That is the narrative.

I don't think these people know what a Hitler is

Jesus Christ, so you're actually going to be the pricks who claim the last issue of fucking Champions came out years ago when Sup Forums was first flooded with this shitmeme?
And that's the official origin?
You are cancerous mother-raping Sup Forums grinning-shit-eaters if you expect me to believe that makes you right about who's responsible for this.
It's on the Hitler-obsessed pricks from Sup Forums shitposting Sup Forums, it's not on Marvel. You fucking know that fact, so stop playing retarded for shits and giggles.

>Issue came out yesterday calling Cyclopes to be Hitler
>Interview with the writer says Cyclops is kinda Hitler, Marvel agrees
>"B-but that's wrong, shitmeme, you're Sup Forums, retaards dumb shit, shits and giggles"

I haven't seen a post with less content in lue of buzzwords today than this one. You're trying to say for some reason that a very recent issue of a comic that came out saying this thing, is not saying this thing at all and everyone except you is retarded it seems?

In fact we're making up the words in the comic, and its entirely our fabrication?

>all these cyke fag tears
okay cyke may have not gassed jews or not mutants but he is a fascist, especially when he was high on phoenix force. he ended up being more like magneto than Charles. He was no longer a hero and can't really go back to being one

You are a complete fucking retarded intentional piece of shit.
One thing happened years before the other.
Take the blame for your neonazi meme pushing part of it.

Marvel didn't create this shitstorm of Hitler fanboys jerking off to him all over Sup Forums with their shitposts.
That's on you guys. Own it.
Or do you just not have the balls to even do that? (if I had to bet...)

>which was done without ever asking the people
Does the terrorigen mist ask anyone whether they want to breath it in or not?

>but them mutating millions of people is A-OK
It is for the Inhumans

xir, please, you're scaring the children

>the humans are safe from Terrigen mists
lol

Let's not forget the man who was turned into a fucking immobile door

>He was literally called basically Hitler recently

Every Marvel character now is Hitler or can be compared to Hitler. Funny since Kikes run the House of Ideas.

Go back to tumblr, you lame queer.

He wasn't Wolverine. What else could he possibly do more evil than that?

Phoenix comes at goes on its own. You could do nothing about it arriving, so Cyclops was trying to make sure it won't do to Earth what it best known for.

KILLING ONLY MAN THAT MATTERS

Evil, guys. Bad and evil and wrong. A monster.

The Cyclops character assassination was so thorough and brutal that it has to be some kind of personal shit. Way worse than Pym-tier, even.

It feels much worse than what Pym or Wanda have ever gotten because it feels actively vindictive towards readers, for not accepting their previous failed attempts to character assassinate him that nobody accepted.

HERE'S WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT AVX:

Cable came from the actual future. Not a divergent time-line, but the actual future since he used Dr. Doom's time-travel technology to reach the past. In the future the planet was burned by the Phoenix Force because it never reached Hope Summers as it was meant to since the Avengers killed Hope. So Cable traveled back in time to stop the Avengers from killing his adopted daughter and save the planet.

Unit, the weird robot from the X-Men comics, knew that every time the natural order was tempered by magic or something the Phoenix Force would come, take a host and use said host to restore things. The Phoenix Force's host would always have 5 people close that'd help the host in this endeavor. These 5 people were called "Lights" and their job is to help the Phoenix Force's host better control the Phoenix Force.

Scarlet Witch messed with the natural order when she stopped mutants from being born using her powers. That's why the Phoenix Force was coming with a vengeance to set things right. So it was coming burning everything in it's path and would burn the planet if it reached its destination and the host was there.

Cyclops knew all of the above thanks to Cable and his own findings about all this stuff. So Cyclops plan was to have Hope trained and with her 5 "Lights", which were already in the Utopia island with him and Hope; prepare for upcoming Avengers invasion which Cable had warned him about; and do everything smoothly for the Phoenix Force to do its thing and go back on its merry way without endangering everybody.

Wolverine hated Cyclops and was prejudiced against him. He had a real bad case of tunnel vision.

The Avengers plan was to place Hope in the Negative Zone, away from the Phoenix Force's path, and battle the Phoenix Force heads on. This would basically doom the planet. The Phoenix Force would show up, not find it's host and burn everything down.

WHAT HAPPENED IN AVX:

Captain America went to consult on Wolverine about the Utopia island and how Cyclops was running things. Wolverine told Steve that Cyclops was a mad-man who wouldn't play ball and that they should invade.

Wolverine tried to kill Hope during the invasion, taking advantage of the distraction the battle provided. It was Wolverine who killed Hope in Cable's future dooming the planet.

Unit, the weird little robot, took advantage of the distracted the battle provided, to separate Hope's 5 "Lights from her, because he wanted to see how things would go this time around with the Phoenix Force's host without it's 5 "Lights".

The Avengers decided to battle the Phoenix Force head on using a weapon Iron Man came up with and they ended up breaking the Phoenix Force and dividing it's essence into five people: Cyclops, Emma Frost, Namor, Colossus and Magik. This wasn't supposed to happen.

Cyclops now with all this power, was bit influence by the Phoenix Force to give into his urges, and his biggest urge was to turn Earth into an utopia not only for mutants but everybody. He then set out to help the entire world pretty much making everything better.

The world's powers at be got antsy by this, specially Obama, who told the Avengers to put a stop to Cyclops little attempt into making the world better.

Dr. Reed Richards, Mr. Fantastic, told the Avengers that they were being dumb because Cyclops was actually making the world better. He had all the math and shit done. The world was actually getting better.

The 5 new Phoenix Force's hosts, who already had trouble controlling the Phoenix Force, were constantly attacked by the Avengers. In one of the Avengers invasion meant to kidnap Hope Scarlet Witch managed to break Namor into tine little pieces using her powers, basically bringing down his enormous ego. Namor went apeshit because of that and attacked Wakanda where the Avengers were hiding after the invasion as retaliation.

1/2.

I don't read Marvel but why do the people who are in charge hate him?

They are all cucks.

Because of the constant attacks on the remaining Phoenix Force's hosts, the Phoenix Force's hosts started to lose their control, and every time one of them were taken down it made much harder for the remaining ones to control the Phoenix Force. Once Cyclops realized this he decided to absorb all of the Phoenix Force so that his teammates wouldn't lose their control and do something stupid.

The Avengers realized that after all Cyclops was goddamn right about Hope and the Phoenix Force situation, but now since Hope didn't had her 5 "Lights" they were forced to come with another solution to better help her control the Phoenix Force to set the natural order back in place. Scarlet Witch came to help in this thanks to her powers.

Because Cyclops was controlling the entire Phoenix Force now and being constantly attacked by all sides, he had a lot of trouble to maintain his mind focused. Professor X invading his mind in an attempt to shut it down was a major mistake, because that's how Jean Grey became Dark Phoenix before. The Hellfire Club messed with her mind when she was serving as the Phoenix Force's host and she lost. Professor X knew this shit.

Lo and behold, once Professor X attacked Cyclops' mind he lost his shit and became Dark Phoenix, but while he was losing control Cyclops managed to meet with the Jean Grey's spirit in the White Hot Room and with her help decided to let the power go since he didn't want to hurt anyone.

Once Cyclops let the Phoenix Force go, Hope absorbed the Phoenix Force and with Scarlet Witch's help put the natural order back in place. Thus saving the planet from the Phoenix Force's rage and making it so that new mutants could show up. Basically doing what Cyclops was already going to do in the first place.

Because of Cyclops actions during the whole mess he was jailed without trial and used as guinea pig to test if prisons could manage to house regular people and mutants with power dampeners without problems, to save taxes. It didn't wor

And this is was Cyclops was right.

... what the fuck!?!?!
For a start that story is just a fucking mess.

He REFUSED Trial fucktard. Are all CYCFAGS like This???

He didn't refused trial. He never gained one.

He even said to Wolverine that he'd never see trial because the US knew there was nothing to hold against him. He was jailed to set a fucking example.

Theory: Cyclops and X-Men represent the white people.

They're dying out, and anyone who says anything in defense of the white race is branded as an extremist. Meanwhile, people cheer on illegal immigrants (Inhumans) and welcome them.

BTFO
read comics before you talk shit, or go back to Sup Forums

>Cyclops' people was genocided by Inhumans
>Cyclops is Hitler
WUT
Wouldn't that make him... Anti-Hitler?

Schindler?

Nope, the 'training' Hope got was for her to wrest the Phoenix back from the Phoenix 5/eventually Cyke. The Avengers trained her accordingly because they
She didn't need the training to manage the Phoenix.

Note on Wanda, she would've backed Hope no-matter what.
t. AvX #0

>Theory: Cyclops and X-Men represent the white people.
And it comes full circle.

Top kek

>Hope was prepared to host The Phoenix Force by the time she was ACCIDENTALLY ALLOWED BY THE AVENGERS to take possession of it.
Where's your proof? Not only Cyclops' training was useless because it's shown and confirmed in the story, but also because he himself was doubting it at the beginning. He just had blind faith.

Besides you're under the false assumption that Spider-Man trained Hope. He didn't. Iron Fist and those other guys did.

>And (here's a good one) when exactly was the Avenger's plan changed from NOT letting Hope have it to simply letting Hope have it????
When Stark figured it out.

She didn't need to manage the Phoenix at all, she would've succumbed to the temptation eventually as they imply on the last comic, which is why Cyke's training was garbage.

Nope, last issue of AvX Scott told Capt America he refused

>she would've succumbed
Rachel never did. It's pretty safe to assume Hope wouldn't have.

I'll agree Cyclops's training probably didn't help much, but Cable's was what mattered.

The Phoenix Force is more than just a big flaming space bird. It's a cosmic force made up of vast psionic energy and it has access to literally all life past, present and future. It's such a powerful force that it has allowed its hosts all sorts of crazy powers and abilities beyond burning shit. Cyclops thinking it could bring back mutants or repower those who lost their mutations isn't really that wrong.

But Hope isn't Rachel. One could argue Rachel was prepared since the beginning because she was the daughter of Jean Grey.

>One could argue Hope was prepared since the beginning because she is literally wrought from the essence of the Phoenix and a character that by the very nature of their writing simply couldn't be allowed to fail.


That's the thing people don't understand. Hope IS Phoenix in the same way Jean is.

>in the same way Jean is.
That's not exactly a ringing endorsement, but then you have to consider that Hope and Jean are still their own people. Hope isn't literally insane, so it works.

Hell, that could be said of all the successful Phoenix hosts, they have had really stable minds, unlike Jean or a battered P5

>and a character that by the very nature of their writing simply couldn't be allowed to fail.
But that's a wrong assumption. If you're gonna bring writing into this, then any character can be made to fail and Hope was wrote in a way that predicted she was gonna fail. See her story with the five lights. She failed at saving that kid, and then again she failed at saving Kenji. She also failed at saving Cable before he was killed by Bastion, among other examples. And like I said, the story itself on AvX suggests she was gonna fail if she had gotten the Phoenix on the moon. Stark himself says he knew the Phoenix under Hope was gonna create new mutants but because Hope wasn't prepared, he had to give her more time.

It's editorial trying to dictate things without actually planning or thinking.

Like fuck's sake, the Champions are a group of teenagers meant to push the idea of social responsibility and equality. In two issues they've discriminated and pushed a meme that's the same train of thought as "Redpilled."

Editorial is fucking incompetent.

>The Avengers plan was to place Hope in the Negative Zone, away from the Phoenix Force's path, and battle the Phoenix Force heads on.
Holy fuck, I was kind of off Cyclops was right board because majority of retarded shit they've done actually contributed to Hope not getting fucked up by Phoenix Force (like splitting the Phoenix, additional training), but this is pants on retarded.

>Actual future.

So what about Apocalypse and his original timeline? Doesn't changing that change a lot about Cable?