Reading DOFP

Reading DOFP

How did the Senitels kill these guys again?

>Hulk
>Doom
>Scarlet Witch
>Silver Surfer

I find it really hard to believe they took out EVERYONE.
Was it just bad writing?

Also black panther. So they must have invaded Wakanda too

How did they kill Ghost Rider?

Unless I misunderstood something while reading, DoFP really didn't live up to its legacy. Felt like a really small and unimportant story compared to others.

This was the early 80's, a lot of characters' powers were more nerfed back then than now.

Course, since Hulk's been established as possibly being unable to die, there was a story in the 00's that took place in DOFP where we find out Banner's still alive but just enslaved by the Sentinels.

Black Panther sometimes works with the Avengers so he might've been in the US at the time.

It's a concert for the sake of story. It's the pretense necessary to tell the story. That's not where you should worry about bad writing. Bad writing is that Kitty and Rachel didn't bang.

Apocalypse did it. Why not some robots?

Hell, Tony Stark built some sentinels that nearly eliminated every hero during Axis.

*conceit

it's an apocalyptic story it doesn't matter how they took them out. Look at a What If, everything is Marvel is a split second away ending in everyone dead.

Gun to Banner's head.
Gun to Wanda's head.
Surfer might have just left - it isn't said outright that they were all killed.
Doom, however...

This. Scarlet Witch and Ghost Rider weren't what they are now. But Rider still couldn't die so I dunno

Possible they just killed a Doombot and the real Doom is in hiding

>Course, since Hulk's been established as possibly being unable to die
good job pad

That's not Surfer, that's Iceman.

wait how did they kill ghost rider

>the only dead villain shown is Doom

lol

Except this is canon. It would be alright if it would be a one shot, something like Deadpoop kills the Marvel Universe or something. This is just bad writing

>bad writing
marvel writers back then were bigger nerds than you will ever be.
if it's written that sentinels destroyed / killed them, then it means that they destroyed killed them.

after all, in DOFP, sentinels are unbeatable, which means that they got upgraded.

anyway, one of the reason that DOFP happened was because Byrne wanted to draw sentinels, but Claremont thought that sentinels are lame. Byrne replied sth with "no, you just write them lame". So they went full apocalypse now

Pretty much every "bad future" where a hero failed to do something so a bad guy took over falls apart once you remember that there's other heroes. And that other villains would step in as well, if you take the heroes off the table, the villains would start fighting each other.

It's a canon bad future, it's as real as Earth X or whatever

The correct answer is that Doomwank wasn't nearly as prevalent as it was then and writers weren't tripping over themselves to be the one to reveal he didn't actually lose because it was a Doombot and also it was just as planned and actually a victory.

You want to talk about canon? He's been canonically defeated by Luke Cage and a pack of squirrels. Not Squirrel Girl directly, a bunch of squirrels she told to attack him.

Pretty much this. Although I wouldn't be surprised if in Byrne's mind that was a Doombot.

DOFP was penciled by the guy who came up with the idea of "Every bad Doom story is actually about a Doombot"

that means that DOFP is a good story

And? Byrne originally did the Doombot thing to explain what he considered OOC behavior.

Yeah the post was talking about how this was before doom wank when it's drawn by the guy who started the trend

Ghost Rider also got killed in Earth X, and it happened off panel.

Byrne didn't start it until two years later in a different title.

fucking Byrne

It probably involved lots of holy water to contain him somewhere.

>canon
It's future canon. It literally hasn't happened, and won't, thanks to Rachel and Kitty. Some event that never happened is what is the fork for the DoFP reality to happen. That event doesn't matter and has nothing to do with the actual quality of the story--which I agree is only ok, but GOAT cause it gave us Rach.

I feel pretty much the same way. I've barely read any X-comics, but DOFP didn't impress.

>Doom
>Villain

In almost all the oppressive futures that he doesn't preside over, Doom usually stands against the tide.

DOFP was revolutionary at the time, and it's still is impressive

-The First mainstream story to feature a dystopian future that wasn't undone at the end of the story

-One of the first sci-fi comic books (if not stories) to have androids taking over the humankind (which inspired Terminator)

-Going back in time in order to change the future, however, instead creating parallel timeline

these are among others, as there are many layers to DOFP

Aha, it's a matter of time, before Sup Forums will start saying that Steranko sucks

Well yeah, it's just two issues from Claremont's entire run. The run itself is GOAT if you read it everything from beginning to end.

Those all seem like a stretch.

Senitels > Thanos

>-The First mainstream story to feature a dystopian future that wasn't undone at the end of the story

IIRC, wasn't it initially played as having been completely undone by the end of the story, only to be later retconned as still existing in an alternate timeline?

Nope. The story was supposed to wipe the timeline but at the last minute Claremont went against Byrne and kept the timeline intact.

It plus the tree debacle in Uxm #140 caused Byrne to rage quit the book

>Aha, it's a matter of time, before Sup Forums will start saying that Steranko sucks

Don't give the shitposters ideas.

Wasn't DOFP before they did the whole "Ghost Rider is an aspect of God" stuff? And couldn't you kill him while he's in human form? Guy has to sleep sometime.

That's clearly Iceman

Wouldn't the Sentinels know about Doom's Doombot M.O. and do a check to make sure it really is Doom they killed and not just a bot? Like even something as simple as ripping Doom/The bot in half could work. If it's just tech it's a bot, if it's blood, guts, and matches Doom's DNA it's him.

Tree debacle?

Cassie Lang

It's clearly Surfer.