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Anthony Lopez
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>Ireland to expel Russian diplomat over Salisbury nerve agent attack
Eli Brooks
It seems quite ridiculous, even if Russia did do that attack- which has not been proven- it's a massive overreaction for everyone to suddenly expel all their Russians. Seems to me like someone very powerful is plotting to turn everyone against Russia, especially after that ridiculous tinfoil-hat conspiracy theory about them somehow hacking the US election a year or two ago.
Lucas Rivera
>it's a massive overreaction for everyone to suddenly expel all their Russians
Nobody is expelling all of their Russian diplomats, not even close. The only ones being expelled are those that are believed to be intelligence agents posing as diplomats, which is something that should be done even if the nerve agent attack never took place.
Wyatt Edwards
Black coffee > black tea > tea with milk > coffee with milk
Luke Flores
>The only ones being expelled are those that are believed to be intelligence agents posing as diplomats
Do other countries do this or is it just Russia? Do the USA, UK and so on have intelligence agents in Russia?
How did the Irish government know which members of the Russian diplomatic mission in Ireland were intelligence agents? Did the Gardaí investigate it in the last couple of days, did they know beforehand, were they given the names by the UK? s the work of an "intelligence agent" to illegally spy on a nation? If they knew previously, why are they only taking this action now?
I fear if many of the above questions aren't adequately answered by the government (though maybe they have been already?) then it will damage our status as a neutral country. Of course some may say we aren't neutral at all, but I would at least like us to try and remain so, though that perhaps isn't the wish of many within FG (and possibly segments of other parties).
Logan Allen
You tell 'em Vincent.
Chase Ward
People seem to be getting really excited about how much information Google, Facebook, Microsoft and so on store about them.
And by people I mean normies. People have been warning about privacy issues for years but it seems like many didn't bother to listen.
Ethan Rivera
>then it will damage our status as a neutral country.
We're not a neutral country and never had been. That false assumption serves as the basis of your entire post.
More than anything else, the expelling of the diplomat is a token measure to express solidarity with the UK and the EU, which are countries we are aligned with. While some of the questions you raised are indeed very valid, the expulsion of the one diplomat has been done moreso for what it says to the world than for genuine fear that they are an intelligence agent (I too am suspect as to how the government would know that, but it's the justification being given by our government and other governments around the world).
Hudson Watson
>souring relations with the UK even further during Brexit negotiations for something that happened over 40 years ago
Good idea, Vincent.
I'm not saying that the UK shouldn't be held to account for those attacks (they definitely should), but Vincent is ignoring the realpolitik at play here. The UK is our nearest neighbour and a close ally (regardless of what anybody says) whereas Russia is largely irrelevant to Irish interests. We can afford to take a token stand against Russia, but taking a stand against the UK for something that happened 40 years ago doesn't serve Ireland's interests right now. Sometimes it's necessary to be pragmatic on the global stage.
Jonathan Brooks
Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a universe at all?
Dominic Jones
Normies never listen and just hop on the next big bandwagon.
t. Switching to Ubuntu if I ever upgrade.
Dylan King
Could this finally be the year of the GNU/Linux desktop?
Christopher Young
No because GNU can't play most games because everyone uses proprietary systems to run their software.
One day though.
Austin Roberts
>Ubuntu
Anthony Rivera
>nb4 he uses arch
Cooper Ward
I don't even use social media, but I'm still concerned about what the likes of Google and Microsoft know about me.
Carter Brown
>souring relations with the UK even further during Brexit negotiations
Well I imagine it is fairly obvious that he didn't want to throw British diplomats now, but in years past.
>and a close ally
A close ally but one which we often butt heads with and one which stands in the way of most people on this islands ultimate objective for the past few centuries and today. One of our best friends and simultaneously our greatest enemy (though not usually, mind you).
>We're not a neutral country and never had been
I would disagree. Sure, we haven't always been completely neutral and have always been close to the UK and US, however we have always tried to lean in the direction of neutrality when possible. Staying out of WWII, out of NATO and so on.
Would you like us to join NATO at some stage? I wouldn't and thus would rather avoid taking "token measures" as it firmly puts us not in the neutral grouping. If they were actually conducting illegal spying and intelligence gathering though, then I have no issues with expelling them.
>I'm still concerned about what the likes of Google and Microsoft know about me
If you were concerned enough you would switch to Linux and use a different search engine or Firefox containers, which I've spoken about before.
Pro tip, they are pretty cool.
What distro should we be using then, Arch-user?
Hudson Garcia
>Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald said the decision was based on information from a foreign security service.
>Ms McDonald accused the Taoiseach of attempting to dismantle Ireland's neutrality.
>However, Leo Varadkar said the decision was taken following an assessment carried out by Irish security services, including the defence forces and gardaí.
>He said the decision on the individual person asked to leave was based on advice from gardaí and military intelligence.
>Fianna Fáil was briefed in advance of this as part of the "no surprises" clause in the Programme for Government agreement.
>Commissioner Donal Ó Cualáin said the report was carried out in conjunction with the defence forces and security partners in Europe and elsewhere.
>He rejected a suggestion that it was a "rehash" of a British intelligence assessment.
One wonders what the exact source Mary Lou has for her information, none I presume, but she probably is stating a questionably legitimate fear many of us have.
Once again reiterate my disapproval of "token" measures. If we know or have sufficient evidence that there was wrongdoing by supposed diplomats, then yes fire away. If however this is another chance for Leo/Ireland to show "solidarity", or perhaps loyalty, to Europe and so forth then I would be somewhat concerned.
Jason White
Protip: The Chinese guy in the OP picture is in jail in China now. He's banned by the Chinese government from going to Africa again.
Xavier Ramirez
I was told Mozilla sold out and now uses your info just like everyone else to advertise to you.
What do?
Landon Myers
>I was told Mozilla sold out and now uses your info
I haven't heard but if it is true then you can either disable it or there will be a fork of Firefox that disables it all, seeing as Firefox is open source.
I believe you are referring to telemetry data, which can be disabled if you aren't an autist. There may be other stuff though, see forks.
Asher Hernandez
>however we have always tried to lean in the direction of neutrality when possible. Staying out of WWII, out of NATO and so on.
Being non-aligned is not the same as being neutral. There's a distinct difference.
>Would you like us to join NATO at some stage?
No.
>I wouldn't and thus would rather avoid taking "token measures" as it firmly puts us not in the neutral grouping
Being outside of NATO doesn't make your country neutral by default.
Tyler Barnes
>However, Leo Varadkar said the decision was taken following an assessment carried out by Irish security services, including the defence forces and gardaí.
Unless we're all just going to assume that Leo is lying, is he not right to trust the advice of our security sources? If they can't be trusted on things like this, what's the point in having them at all?
>Commissioner Donal Ó Cualáin said the report was carried out in conjunction with the defence forces and security partners in Europe and elsewhere.
Which is good, because I'm frankly skeptical as to the capacity of our own intelligence services when it comes to this sort of thing.
>One wonders what the exact source Mary Lou has for her information, none I presume
Sounds about right.
>Once again reiterate my disapproval of "token" measures.
>If we know or have sufficient evidence that there was wrongdoing by supposed diplomats
For the record, I never implied that these two were mutually exclusive in this scenario. I would not approve of expelling a law-abiding Russian diplomat just for the sake of it. But it there are grounds for doing so, now is the best time to do it in a show of solidarity with the other countries that are doing so.
>If however this is another chance for Leo/Ireland to show "solidarity", or perhaps loyalty, to Europe and so forth then I would be somewhat concerned.
As I said, there's no reason it can't be both.
Parker Rogers
>Being outside of NATO doesn't make your country neutral by default
No, but it indicates us attempting to lean in that direction at least, as I was saying. A foot in both camps essentially.
>Being non-aligned is not the same as being neutral
I have a basic understanding of the distinction, but isn't saying one is non-aligned sort of a slight against "neutral" countries. Non-aligned means we take a stand on principles which we hold dear, but don't associate with a power bloc? Seems to imply that neutral countries have no principles or morals at all, other than "muh neutrality".
May not have my definition fully correct.
Isaac Watson
>If you were concerned enough you would switch to Linux and use a different search engine or Firefox containers, which I've spoken about before.
Speaking of which: blog.mozilla.org
Josiah Gomez
>is he not right to trust the advice of our security sources
He is, I just hope he is following their advice rather than the other way around. We have had a number of issues in recent years with confidence in An Garda Siochana, and this seems like it be more so under their jurisdiction rather than the defence forces?
>Which is good
Absolutely, but it does perhaps raise a question, which I believe the Russians have mentioned, as to whether we should fully trust other nations security services or governments without having seen some solid evidence. Cooperation is certainly good though.
>Sounds about right
Good that the opposition attempts to scrutinise and pressurise the government though. These are the types of ideas many of us will have in our head. Good to see them raised.
>I would not approve of expelling a law-abiding Russian diplomat just for the sake of it
That's just what I hope we haven't done, and why I badly want to ensure the evidence we have for it is solid.
>there's no reason it can't be both
As long as the claim of Russians conducting illegal intelligence gathering in Ireland is accurate, as you say.
>pizza
Now I'm hungry. Shall need to sort that.
Samuel Reyes
>missed a few fadas
I-I'm sure no one noticed, be grand...
Alexander Scott
>Fine Gael
Adam Parker
>Nobody is expelling all of their Russian diplomats, not even close. The only ones being expelled are those that are believed to be intelligence agents posing as diplomats, which is something that should be done even if the nerve agent attack never took place.
Fair point against the flavour-of-the-month hysterical anti-Russia sentiment.
Isaiah Collins
>No, but it indicates us attempting to lean in that direction at least, as I was saying
True, but it all comes down to how you define the nebulous concept of neutrality. A lot of the uncertainty surrounding neutrality stems from the difference between a "neutral country" and a "permanently neutral country". Ireland is the former, whereas Switzerland is the latter.
A neutral country is a country that adopts a neutral stance during a particular conflict but there is no concrete commitment to never taking sides in a future conflict. Ireland was neutral during WW2 for example. A permanently neutral country (which is what most people think of when they hear "neutral country") is one that is bound by international treaty to be neutral towards the belligerents of all future wars, Switzerland being the main example.
When it comes to Ireland, despite our triple lock mechanism which more or less ensures that we can never declare war, we lack an international treaty confirming our eternal neutrality and also lack the ability to enforce our neutrality as per the laws of war. So we can only ever be neutral on a conflict by conflict basis.
As for the issue of non-alignment, that's where it gets tricky. Ireland was more or less non-aligned during the Cold War, but with the development of the EU that's just not true anymore. So if you were to ask me whether Ireland was neutral or non-aligned during peacetime, my answer would be neither. I don't know what the fuck we are.
>and this seems like it be more so under their jurisdiction rather than the defence forces?
Articles I've read seem to imply that it was both.
>Good that the opposition attempts to scrutinise and pressurise the government though
Would be better if she had some evidence to base her accusations on though.
Hunter Hill
Another misquote.
Luis Kelly
Are you sure you replied to the right post?
Joseph Diaz
Thread on the Irish reddits about anime as Gaeilge.
>which is what most people think of when they hear "neutral country"
Many people would consider the likes or Ireland and Sweden neutral countries though. Just looking at some British reaction online to our decision and quite a few people are questioning "but aren't they neutral?".
I fully understand the difference between Switzerland and Ireland though. It's not a black and white issue I guess, and more of a sliding scale.
Maybe the options being neutral, semi-neutral/aligned or aligned would be a better description, with Ireland fitting in the second category and Switzerland in the first. We straddle the other two (for profit!).
>Would be better if she had some evidence to base her accusations on
And on the other side, it would be nice to have evidence that we have a legitimate reason for expulsion. We'll just have to take Leo's word for it, I guess.
Jackson Young
>Many people would consider the likes or Ireland and Sweden neutral countries though
Sweden is more neutral than we are, although as far as I am aware they lack that binding international treaty that Switzerland has. Sweden can defend its neutrality if threatened during a time of war. Ireland cannot. Our neutrality is only tenable because nobody has directly threatened us since independence.
>Just looking at some British reaction online to our decision and quite a few people are questioning "but aren't they neutral?".
We sure do like to project the public image that we are neural.
>It's not a black and white issue I guess, and more of a sliding scale.
Pretty much.
>Maybe the options being neutral, semi-neutral/aligned or aligned would be a better description, with Ireland fitting in the second category and Switzerland in the first
The issue I have is that Ireland's neutrality is even questionable during peacetime. RAF jets can violate our airspace at will (albeit when on their way to intercept Russian bombers). That wouldn't happen in Switzerland (granted the Swiss air force isn't what it used to be, but the willingness to defend their territory is still there and recognised by other countries).
I'd actually go as far as to question our neutrality during WW2. Switzerland attacked anything that violated its airspace during WW2. We just let everybody and anybody violate ours. All I'll say is that we're lucky we live on an island. Look what happened to neutral Belgium at the start of WW2.
Connor Barnes
*neutral
Ethan Garcia
Source and for what?
Gavin Cruz
Thug mé faoi deara.
Tyler Jenkins
I was talking about Vincent Browne. Forgot I had the other quote highlighted.
Asher Richardson
Makes sense considering what you said was in direct contradiction with what you quoted.
James Brooks
Obviously I'm part of some Russian disinfo campaign.
Eli Robinson
>All I'll say is that we're lucky we live on an island. Look what happened to neutral Belgium at the start of WW2
>ignoring what happened to Belgium in WWI
Also that's less about being an island and more about not having any country immediately to our east. If Ireland was in the middle of the North Sea, putting us between Germany and Britain, you can bet Operation Green would have been a lot more likely.
Eli Powell
>not having any country immediately to our east
*west
Asher Fisher
t. West Yank
Samuel Scott
not_this_shit_again.jpg
Adrian Turner
>Sweden is more neutral than we are
On the basis that it is better able to defend itself? They do seem to have a lot of minor incidents with Russia, and I believe I saw some polls showing support for joining NATO there around 35-50%? Don't quote me on that though.
Not sure we would get that kind of support for joining, though I guess government action is more of a measure than population sentiment. Sentiment showing what most Irish people want though.
>We just let everybody and anybody violate ours
Feel like this may relate back to our discussion on what exactly sovereignty is, and our different interpretations of it.
Caleb Perez
Bought Amazon Prime on impulse last weekend, by the way.
Why they can offer free one-day delivery to the North but not down here boggles my mind a little. Here's hoping.
>image
Cute.
>sample-not_this_shit_again.jpg
FTFY
Liam Fisher
>On the basis that it is better able to defend itself?
Yes. Also they've been tested more than we have.
>Feel like this may relate back to our discussion on what exactly sovereignty is, and our different interpretations of it.
I say we nuke anything that enters our airspace without permission, whether it be a bird or bomber.
Jackson Jones
>I say we nuke anything that enters our airspace without permission
And because Dublin is such a vital part of our country, we should use even more force to protec it? Treble the number of nukes if it flies over Dublin?
>extra long hair
Feel like that may be a bit of a nuisance...
Julian Watson
>I would like to see more people bartering and stuff like that. Attempts at it haven't exactly taken off. How can the government stop/tax people bartering?
Reddit pls.
Jason Sanders
What was the context?
Cameron Parker
Does everyone use mostly cash or card to pay for things when shopping and such?
>What was the context?
People saying how there are fewer humans and more machines in banks now, which is bad or something.
Then people stating we are moving towards a cashless society, and this guy saying how we should try bartering.
Can just read it here, near the top: reddit.com
Christopher Howard
I there anything more beta thank expelling one diplomat?
>see, Britain, we're doing as we're told
>c'mon, Russia, we only did that to pacify the Brits, no need to be angry at us
Xavier Nguyen
>sample
I'm not sure I like what you're implying.
>whether it be a bird or bomber
It's people like you that are responsible for driving the corncrake away!
Owen Thomas
Shiny.
Jason Butler
That's always been Ireland's way of doing things though. We try to be non-aligned but it always just ends up looking sort of sad.
Matthew Scott
I understand having it out for Britain, but Russia definitely doesn't give a shit about you. I'd at least try to be on the UK's side.
Nicholas Baker
Why is Simon Coveney so good when speaking on TV but absolutely shite when speaking in the Dáil?
Eli Lewis
>advocating a cashless society
You just know that they are Dubs. They've probably never been out of range of a wifi connection in their lives.
Oliver Murphy
>but absolutely shite when speaking in the Dáil
Fear of crowds, fear of Gerry "the Russian bear" Adams mauling him and his aristocratic wealthy family to death, who knows.
Seems people aren't reacting too well at all to his suggestion of a two-thirds majority abortion lock.
You don't like the idea of cashless?
I usually use cash, but more so out of habit. Trying to use card more, seems cheaper in terms of charges.
Elijah Moore
>You don't like the idea of cashless?
I'm use cash and cards in about a 50:50 ratio. Sometimes cash is just more convenient, other times you have to use cash, and then there's the fact that I don't want my bank to know about all my transactions because I think that's just too much information for them to have on me.
Alexander Jackson
>the Tinder meme still exists
Peak degeneracy.
Nicholas Stewart
>I don't want my bank to know about all my transactions because I think that's just too much information for them to have on me
What sort of things are you buying in person that you wouldn't want the banks to know about? Or does it just bother you when they know your diet?
Andrew Hughes
>I don't want my bank to know about all my transactions
Would you be purchasing things in shops you wouldn't them or others knowing about, or do you just dislike the idea of them knowing every shop you entered and at what time etc.?
Bitcoin (or another cryptocurrency) may fill a bit of that void online, and possibly offline to a lesser degree. What I used for my pass.
Seems inevitable that cash will begin to fade from usage though, similar to cheques in the last decade or so. Other countries appear to be much "further ahead" of us in the cashless thing.
Gavin James
>does it just bother you when they know your diet
Well they wouldn't necessarily know the exact items being paid for. Just the total charge.
Would be obvious if the bill was for KFC though, of course.
Lincoln Parker
Who is this seme-I mean cutiepie?
Lincoln Roberts
That information will cost you. 5000 of your finest big American tech company jobs should do the trick.
Adrian Ward
I don't know why anyone would willingly come here unless they live in a garbage fire but sure.
Jaxson Ross
>why anyone would willingly come here unless they live in a garbage fire
Well you would put the jobs here is the idea. Like how you currently do it because we are such good workers... as opposed to tax and all that stuff...
Blake Flores
Ah, I see. Sounds like a good deal to me since I lose nothing and could even make use of the new jobs in Ireland possibly.
Adam Clark
>find decent twitch streamer
>they are on the west coast of the us
>timezone difference
What do?
Name is Shigure, from KanColle.
Xavier Morris
If they record their stuff, watch the VOD? I do it with streamers I like.
Brayden Nguyen
>watch the VOD
What about when they stream eight hours a day, every day? Riddle me that.
>I do it with streamers I like
Got any recommendations? I'm new enough to the Twitch business.
Adam Collins
Oh, that is A LOT of streaming. Maybe skim through it? Right now I'm just following a pubg streamer and a variety comedy group.
Grayson Campbell
Is 23 too late to be go from /fat/ to /fit/? I mean I know it's not but I really feel like it is
Carter Foster
Whatever about figurines, I'd actually consider buying one of these plushies.
Too bad almost all of the ones that exist are for Touhou, which I know next to nothing about.
>that is A LOT of streaming
Indeed desu. Streaming truly is a full-time job.
What does age have to do with it? 23 is pretty young, no?
Christian Morris
>Would you be purchasing things in shops you wouldn't them or others knowing about, or do you just dislike the idea of them knowing every shop you entered and at what time etc.?
The latter.
>Other countries appear to be much "further ahead" of us in the cashless thing.
Yeah, my time living abroad certainly got into the habit of using my card a lot more, especially for contactless payments.
23 really isn't that late for anything in life, user. At 23 you're probably younger than many of the regulars here. But the sooner you start getting /fit/ the better.
Jace Hernandez
Buy KanColle merch.
Make me envious.
David Rogers
>my time living abroad certainly got into the habit of using my card a lot more
They must have thought you were a right muck savage altogether.
"What do you mean you won't take my dirty coloured paper in exchange for your finest pristine baguette?"
>Buy KanColle merch
I've dropped my mouse about thirty times in the last two months. I don't think an expensive and fragile figurine would fare well in my possession.
I am usually really good at minding stuff though. I never drop my phone and such, unlike most people it seems. Just that my mouse is in a bit of a precarious position at the moment.
Jack Young
>five day weekend approaching
Need to get downloading stuff before I return to the wilderness.
Thomas Morris
You know there's something else in that picture you could be buying.
>The latter
Beagánín níos paranoid.
Careful now, you don't want him buying a Graf figure and using her in all sorts of ridiculous pictures.
>I've dropped my mouse about thirty times in the last two months
...How?
>I don't think an expensive and fragile figurine would fare well in my possession
Well you wouldn't be handling it nearly as often.
Like Das Finale?
Gabriel Long
>there's something else in that picture you could be buying
Can't cuddle a Switch though, can I? Or perhaps you are aware of something I amn't...
>...How?
Wire, chair, small table. It's like abortion desu, very complicated in a straightforward kind of way.
>Well you wouldn't be handling it nearly as often
That's what you think.
>Like Das Finale?
Way ahead of you desu, fear not.
Kayden Nelson
>using her in all sorts of ridiculous pictures
I think the plushies are better in pictures as well, to be fair. Models are a bit... static or something, also expensive, more fragile and so on.
Colton Jenkins
>three replies to the same post
I may have broken a law.
>Graf figure
I'd take good care of her, fear not.
Camden Sanchez
>Can't cuddle a Switch though, can I?
Of course you can, it's very durable.
>It's like abortion desu
...I don't want to know any more.
>Models are a bit... static or something
Not the poseable ones. Plushies don't change positions unless you hold them yourself.
>I may have broken a law
Yes you have. And because of that you shall only receive one (You).
Jacob Perry
>Yes you have
I think I am developing a habit of reading bits of posts, and hopping around them a bit before rereading them.
>Not the poseable ones
Even so, I don't think you can argue that the plushies seem to fit into scenes a lot better. I mean look at these desu.
Tyler Roberts
>I don't think you can argue that the plushies seem to fit into scenes a lot better
I disagree.
James Garcia
>I disagree
I mean that one is pretty good, but ones of that quality are going to be hard to find. And you can't usually move the fingers and such can you?
How many can you find of KanColle figurines doing that sort of thing? Could a Graf of Prinz one be as versatile?
Samuel Brown
My left armpit stings like hell when I spray deodorant on it
Mason Howard
shite me wanker fuck fuck bollocks uisce beatha
Noah Thompson
>ones of that quality are going to be hard to find
Take a gander around /toy/ some time.
>you can't usually move the fingers and such can you?
Depends on the figure. Ones with good poseability let you move the arms, legs, head and swap out facial expressions.
Also not a great point to make in this case since the plushies in your pictures don't even have fingers.
>How many can you find of KanColle figurines doing that sort of thing? Could a Graf of Prinz one be as versatile?
goodsmile.info
Justin Barnes
Maybe you have a cut?
Are you the Swede that lived in Galway?
Adam King
>swap out facial expressions
>prinz figurine
I wasn't aware such a thing was possible. I shall retract my claim until I have done some more research.
Jason Reed
no i'm just drunk
Ethan Rodriguez
Why are you drunk on a tuesday night?
Tyler Scott
archive.fo
>Government plans to reduce the cost of the morning-after pill or make it free for all women
The absolute state of modern Ireland.
Aaron Mitchell
It's well past your bed time Father Michael, affordable contraception is in everyones interest.
Kevin Hall
>affordable contraception is in everyones interest.
Define "everybody".
Aiden Ortiz
Affordable doesn't mean it should come entirely out of the government's coffers.
Daniel Sanders
Hello Ireland
Thank u for making Matthewmatosis
Love from Britain xxx (PS this isnt just an attempt to get u back in the union or anything)