If anyone still has doubts about the capacity of the russian government to lie about everything with a straight face...

If anyone still has doubts about the capacity of the russian government to lie about everything with a straight face I'd suggest you watch the documentary 'Icarus' on Netflix, about the russian doping system.

Really eyes opening.

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If you anticipate honesty out of government then you are naïve. Your expectations should be that duplicity is the standard first, and then allow yourself to be pleasantly surprised when a politician actually tells you something true (usually because it no longer matters to them).

I don't care about the Russian government lying about not doping because I expect them to dope and also to lie. I'm not being let down at all. The same thing happens with government here in America too. I think very critically about something being shown to me regardless of what political affiliation is presenting it.

>The same thing happens with government here in America too.
I see the Russian shills are out again
>"Yuo think Russia bad? AXAXAXA just see American government"

>believing western proganda

AND YOU ARE LYNCHING NEGROES!

How ist that any different to the American or Chinese government?

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Russian apologia is the same as it was decades ago.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Stop bringing back the western governments each time we talk about the wrong doing of Russia. Nobody said that USA and EU were exempt of reproch, that's not the point.

Putin is evil, and the fact that some people in the West are as well don't matter.

>American government runs a systematic doping program for American athletes

Ivan please

+10 roubles

People from corrupt countries want you to believe that "lmao everyone is corrupt".

But most prosperous countries really arn't that corrupt.
Western countries developed food safety, building codes, and other standards that industries could bribe officials to ignore: in some cases this happens but for the most part safety regulations get followed. Why? We didn't fucking kill all of the moral people in our country during communist purges.

It's really only the countries where communists dismantled cultural norms or where colonial powers forced dozens of different ethnic groups to share a "country" where there is justifiable suspicion of all public institutions and officials.

You're repeating russaboo propaganda.

were you born with your brain damage or did something happen to you later in life

how am I a russiaboo you autistic spergs
i said a statement along the lines of "yeah the russian government has lied so much that iI don't care anymore" and somehow that warrants me being on Ivan's payroll

fuck off retards lmfao

Why is Russia investing so much into spors? Sochi costed 50 billion dollars and the world cup won't be cheap neither. Meanwhile average russian is living like shit

Except that’s not what he said. leftists are literally the ones who stupidly believed Russia was a “changed man” until their delusions were shattered after the Ukraine incident, and now they think the appropriate course of action is to act just as petty and recklessly stupid as Russia.

Romney in the 2012 election said we should still be weary of Russia, and Obama laughed at him for it and said “uhhh The Cold War wants its policy back Romney.”

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The bills were inflated because the contractors making the work for the olympics are related to Putin.

Half the budget for Sotschi went into a road built by a company controlled by a friend of Putin.

>I think very critically about something being shown to me regardless of what political affiliation is presenting it.
So you are allowed to be critical and we are "spergs" if we look at your thoughts with a critical eye?

Are we supposed to believe that you were just talking about Russia when in your original post you generalized that all countries had governments that were unworthy of trust?

It's funny how everybody shits on Russian propaganda and their interests here and there but at the same time everybody ignores the western propaganda and the shitty and evil stuff they do for their interests.

Not defending anyone, just my point of view.

It's a false argument. There are constantly critical topics about America and the EU on this board.

But anytime we talk about Russia, a bunch of people try to block any discussion by switching the topic on the West.

I'm not talking about Sup Forums per se, but on all the media. I mean the West has done some evil shit and invaded imporevished weak cunts too, but it seems the media in a general sense ignores that. Meanwhile Russia just sneezes in Syria and the entire western media cries about >muh human rights.

I'm sure it's the same thing on the Russian side giving the way how Russian media outlets like RT, Sputnik and Southfront also spreads their knews pointing out the shitness on the western side.

Because the left’s main source of butthurt is Russians interfering in US elections as if they don’t try to do that bullshit all the fucking time. They would sing praises about Putin if he tried to help Hillary win. The left LOVED Julian Assange and Wikileaks when he released shit that hammered Bush, but when he hurt Hillary, all of a sudden the Russians are the biggest enemy of humanity.

kys you fucking shill. nobody even asked you to share your stupid opinion about america. this is thread about russia, faggot.

And why do you monkey defend Russia? Leftist much?

Russia can be a good partner but you have to stay wary. You don't approach a bear you stay away and look at it from a distance.

This is now daily russian obsession thread?

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How about you actually address his valid argument you cunt?

your response was textbook propaganda. "everyone is shit but least we admit it" is a very standard kremlin line.

Have you finished Gym? Do you know how to read properly?

>locked their children in a movie theater so they couldn't escape so they burned alive

how about you stop shilling for russia you 15 rouble cunt

Perhaps because the left uses the same exact propaganda as Russia?

>muhh anyone who criticize the leader must be mentally ill

Fuck off with your left.

people from eastern Europe, who unfortunately have had to deal with the russian, have been trying to tell this to everybody for DECADES

nobody believed that lying is a russian national sport

WHOS LAUGHING NOW

Sup Forums is shill cesspool. even websites with dodgy ownership like facebook and reddit are doing something against this. Sup Forums is literally enabling brainwashing, not only that but it is also frequented by the most susceptible and dumbest demographic.

p.s. inb4 this gets called out as jewish propaganda because they have literally 0 arguments against this

>whataboutists galore itt

Are you unironically using Reddit and Facebook as an appeal to authority? Holy shit lmao

i even called them out as being dodgy. still better than Sup Forums tho

It makes sense when compared to Sup Forums.

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the problem is that Sup Forums and imageboards in general are a perfect storm, lots of disaffected, troubled people who are too young and inexperienced to spot manipulation. it's also so low cost that even the clumsiest propaganda can have an impact through sheer dull repetition.

>Facebook gets caught selling personal information
>”Guys, we need to listen to Facebook about this”

All the russians getting kicked out

Reddit tried to subvert news about an Islamic terrorist attack during the election because they believed it would help Trump.

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You dirty cocksucker. If you ever said this to me in real life I'd slap the imaginary Russian dick out of your mouth so hard that the cum would jump all the way into Putin's botoxed face.

That's normal, if they are suddenly allowed to flee the country. Same happened in the GDR. It's a slow process to build up own industry again.

Lithuania was never full of russians like Estonia or Latvia

Why don't you post the charts with gdp per capita and hdi?

Please provide a peer-reviewed multinational study with a sample of at least 1000 proving this.

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kys

It’s funny that people are bashing the most sensible post ITT

Rounded cautious skepticism is considered radical thinking now.

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The issue is not the content of the post in itself, but its context. It's the same thing that is posted every time someone is talking about Russia.

The Kremlin hardwired in people's brain that criticizing Russia means defending the USA.

This. I hate this so much. Just because I don't like what Russia is doing, doesn't mean I'm a Trump-bot neither the other way around. Fuck this.

>t-this can't be happening! i'm in charge here!

This thread is evidence that if you don’t bandwagon every single Russian conspiracy you are apparently a shill for Russia.

Russia should be reprimanded for its actions in Ukraine and using nerve gas in Britain. However I roll my eyes when the people pretend like Russia is now suddenly some concentration of evil that we should focus all our hate on when the left was sucking their dick a few years ago.

west is the epitome of hypocrisy decay and lack of moral values, they are collapsing and dying, but they won't do it fast enough so they make the rest of us suffer.

That sounds like an esoteric European problem. Maybe you shouldn’t have let your raging inferiority complex about the US cause you to unironically believe RT propaganda.

Stealing from the budget is not bad compared to calling for the extinction of your own race, importing third worlders to vote for you , making children hate each other for the color of their skin etc.

Stop looking at everything through your American tribal-politics lens or at least stop interpreting everything through it in Sup Forums, because this is International board.

There is a lot to be said about the retarded Presidential elections related switch of views that happened in America regarding Russia and Wikileaks and all that, but that's a general American topic.

Europeans have known a long time that Russia is shit.

What are you even talking about?

Socrates figured out over 2000 years ago that ideologically motivated skepticism deserved a different name: sophism.

The "skepticism" is just a mask for the real argument: not only is he skeptical about governments because they lie, he does not care about whether they because he "expects it". Is he saying he doesn't care about truth? Why be a skeptic if you don't care about truth...isn't truth the point of skepticism?

He's advocating a kind of nihilism regarding government: I don't care about government doping because if I don't trust anything I can never be let down.

>Europeans have known a long time that Russia is shit.

They clearly fucking didn’t, at least not western yuros, considering they were so dumb they didn’t mad about the Ukraine incident until one of their commercial airlines was shot down.

They literally thought the Russians were just doing a bit of banter.

>We didn't fucking kill all of the moral people in our country during communist purges.

Nope, it's because if everyone dies from poisoning/safety issues there would be no consumers. Capitalism needs some at least some conception of trust to work. No trust no sales.

For some reason "the west" is convinced in its "moral supiriority" over anyone else.

>Half the budget for Sotschi went into a road built by a company controlled by a friend of Putin.

Basically as any olympics project. Mass public spending that results in public debt and some sweet contracts for the friends of the party and propriety developers.

Same with facebook.
Obama "uses" facebook to "wiin" = OMG visionary stratetgist that reached out to the youth.

Trump does the same = Privacy breach, russian hackers!

Spending $51 billion for a fucking winter Olympics isn't "just like every other one". In fact it was more expensive than all the previous Olympics together.

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>He's advocating a kind of nihilism regarding government: I don't care about government doping because if I don't trust anything I can never be let down.

I have never had any delusions about Russia media outlets boldly lying. It isn’t nihilism, it’s just not having your expectations shattered upon learning that there isn’t some infallible source of information without bias. I’m more concerned about US media lying than Russia media lying because I don’t fucking read Russian propaganda. Maybe it’s some huge revelation if you’re retarded enough to read RT, but I don’t. I have 0 expectations of Russia to not lie, however I do have some expectations of US free media to not be as bad as Russian State sponsored nonsense, expectations of which are continually causing disappointment.

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I think you could make the argument that Putin and other Russians don't really understand how one would not be corrupt. Cheating and corruption are almost part of the Russian soul at this point.

It's like how it would never occur to your cat that a dead rodent isn't a good thing to bring into the house.

From this perspective you can see why Putin never bothered to reform Russia. A deathtrap mall catches fire and kills tons of children. Russians initially get mad but then throw up their arms and say "what can we expect Putin to do about it? Meh". And so Putin doesn't do anything about it. And the cycle continues.

You understand 1/5th of Russian citizens are Muslim, a percentage which grows yearly?

I don't really get why you care about that and russia in general, altough you are right.
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>netflix
Lol brainlet

>LITERAL russophobia
Kek. Okay albo subhuman
ABSOLUTE STATE

China has flourish state capitalism and as the China thread on /gif/ will show you , very little in the way of public safety regulation.

he's not albanian, i am
this was my post
you're mentally ill if you think every american that hates russia is albanian lmfao, fucking retard

>If anyone still has doubts about the capacity of the russian government to lie
Why anyone would though?
We've been telling about it the rest of Europe for literal ages, but y'all just keep shrugging it off as "butthurt"

>It’s a lefty tries to psuedo-intellectually analyze the mind of somebody they don’t agree with and lazily casts them as an irrational entity

Russians are capable of sense awareness. When Reagan joked about Russians, he said he borrowed most of the jokes from Russians telling them amongst themselves. They are aware of their shit state, but that doesn’t mean they want to be the West’s bitchboy

Ukraine was also pretty naive to give up their nukes in the 1990s. Lol

Say whatever you like.
All I am saying is that Russia is shit now and will be shit in 10 years thanks to Putin and internal apathy.

Can you tell me one constructive internal program Putin has done to help Russian healthcare? Social mobility? Education?

And please don't say 'aid the demographic crisis'(by importing Muslim Steppe people). Or "restore muh pride with Ukraine".

define "bitchboy". that's exactly what the commies around the world love to say. NK, venezuela, etc it is that type of rhetoric. Is Western Europe America's "bitch boy"? Of course the lefties and contrarians will say so. But that's just stupid. We share common interests and cooperate and try to resolve our differences. But Putin wants to larp as a world leader and pretends that Russia is a super power. Being like everyone else is not good enough for him. It is being America's "bitch boys".

>Really eyes opening.
Yeah really
nytimes.com/2018/01/19/sports/olympics/ioc-russia-olympics-doping.html

>Cheating and corruption are almost part of the Russian soul at this point.
It's the opposite. Cheating and corruption is what most Russians hate the most. Everyone sees and knows how the government steals the money, manipulates the budget, kills economic of the country and make oligarchs more reach.

People do try to protest but it ends badly: translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://primamedia.ru/news/480731/
At that time the government had to use cops from Moscow because most local authorities were supporting the protesting people.

One of the issue is that most news channels and news sites are owned or controlled by the government and all news about such protests are blocked.

>Cheating and corruption is what most Russians hate the most.

Absolutely false. If it were true then you'd manage to reduce it. Russians just don't mind it that much, oftentimes welcome it and other times cower as slaves.

weak bait, try harder

Stating a reality is not "a bait". You Russians love your Putin and his corruption the most and accept it everywhere. There is no huge army of robots making you do it.

Your statement of "Cheating and corruption is what most Russians hate the most" was pretty fucking ridiculous.

>But most prosperous countries really arn't that corrupt.
lmao how dumb are you?
prosperous countries project their corruption outwards. to you, your country may not seem corrupt. look what the swiss fagots from nestle do out their country, or the canadian mining companies, or the american fruit companies.
i laugh at this swiss fag denouncing russia while their country is a filthy tax haven. trust me, i know.

>the fort knox of bottle caps
hey dick head swiss, time to redesign those world-class bottles of yours

>Stating a reality is not "a bait".
The reality in russia is different than in your head.
>You Russians love your Putin and his corruption the most and accept it everywhere.
wrong. and you have nothing to back up this claim.

I love when people tell: "Russians love putin and they vote for him and support him in everything he does" and then state "Russian elections are so fucking rigged, they are so corrupt and putin is a criminal maniac who does nothing but supports oligarchs".
Logical errors, mutually exclusive statements even in one paragraph are a norm for most russian haters.

My claims are backed up by Russia being one of the most corrupt pieces of shit countries in the world and people there see this as normal. Estonia is unlucky enough to have shitloads of Russian immigrants and I see the same pattern in their behavior here too although we are managing to slowly civilize them.

Who is it in your theory who makes Russians corrupt? CIA mind rays?

>I love when people tell: "Russians love putin and they vote for him and support him in everything he does" and then state "Russian elections are so fucking rigged, they are so corrupt and putin is a criminal maniac who does nothing but supports oligarchs".
People state the latter because they want to give you the benefit of the doubt when you don't deserve it. I used to believe the same until I had the misfortune of interacting with enough Russians.

Don't you love the butthurt that Putin causes in the west? You don't want to improve your lives. Instead, you want to drag everyone down to your level just for the shits and giggles. You don't want to prosper. You'd rather see everyone else suffer.

>people there see this as normal.
stop extrapolating and think that everyone in russia thinks in the same as you.

Your own country is the most prosperous precisely due to massive corruption. American corporations have literally been involved in destabilising nations and slavery in order to control extremely lucrative resources. Your government has literally fueled warfar in order to control regions with rich resources and trade connections. Your entire ivy league university system was created by profits from the opium trade in China. The Coke brothers own vital water supplies in impoverished regions were people are dying trying to gain access to said water. The American textile industry has been at the forefront of international sweatshop labour generations.

You clearly have no idea just how poor the USA would be without it's blood money.

>muh left
>muh leftists
Do the people who vomit out these kneejerks realise that outside of Sup Forums, this is a sure way to get other anons to disregard anything you have to say? Sup Forums in general has never really taken a liking to political zealots but out of all the different types of normalfag it is the conservative, right-wing tard who unironically throws around boogeymen such as "leftist" which is universally disliked the most. It makes you stick out like a sore thumb as an outsider. Anons have little tolerance for newfags who refuse to lurk.

A very powerful speech my man! Commies around the world approve.
*CLAPS*

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