Baltics 'scared to death' of Russia, Trump, Biden tells US voters

>Baltics 'scared to death' of Russia, Trump, Biden tells US voters

"I'd have to get on plane to make basically an emergency flight to hold the hands of three presidents from Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania and say..."

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Ridiculous.

But is it true or not?

It's not like we are scared shitless, but we know the day will come and we need to keep our shit together.

Pretty much this, we can take solace in that Russia tried to destroy us two times as an Empire and as the Soviet Union. Let's hope we can hold-back against them for the third time.

Better increase that spending to meet your obligations.

As one of the few NATO members that actually doesn't fuck around and keeps their promises Estonia gives zero shits.
Make way for Donny T whoop whoop.

Yeah trump should become president and try to ease the relationship with Russia.

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Dear Balts;

Please don't bother listening to anything that falls out of Joe Biden's mouth, and continue to understand that this idiot is just pumping the Russia meme for party votes.

In reality, you should only worry if the US starts destabilization near you. If the US isn't stirring up shit near you, then it's not going to let Russia stir up shit.

During the interwar period our military spending was 20%, I don't think that 2% would change anything.

From the first time I saw Biden, the word retard was the only thing I can think of him.

>putin shills actually believe this

Unlike you, slavaboo, who gets rock hard at the thought of Russia annexing territory, the Baltic states have actually had to live and experience Russian aggression. Biden may be an idiot but he's just echoing out what the Baltic leaders actually believe.

(((Joe Biden)))
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Our leaders could just try to make our relationship with Russia better instead of trying to provoke them every chance they get.

Dear diaspora slavshits

Soon the Qatar-Turkey pipeline will be built and russians will resort to suck dicks for bread loafs as it should be.
>relationship with a malignant superpower with nukes and an army 100x yours
What an excellent idea, they will surely never force you to take shitty deals so they can place a base or two in your country

I'm slavic and baltic, but I'm not a slavboo. Of course any politician is going to echo the thoughts of other politicians he wants to influence.

But in reality Russia knows full well we very far outclass them in terms of technological superiority, and any gains they make are ones that we have to give them because our leadership is just that stupid.

Allies of Russia have had it worse than it's enemies throughout history.

Russia won't be the only one to be sucking dick for bread.

But it's an old story. More interesting is to wonder how tangled the spiders will get from this web they've woven through filthy backward desert non-countries, through oil, into financial and resource warfare.

That's why we need to better our relationships with them,do you think that provoking them is a good idea. We did this twice in my countries history, it failed and we were annexed. This time we have NATO as a counterweight, so we are not exactly defenseless.

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You know that the whole "spend 2% of GDP on defense" isn't part of the whole NATO-deal, right?

It's one of those things that people keep on talking about, but it's not an actual obligation.

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NATO wants someone to do something? Well, NATO doesn't actually get to dictate its member states' policies. I for one would much rather Spain had money to spend on their huge internal problems and get those under control, than to beef up their military to protect themselves from... whom exactly?

Russia itself is not a threat. That's just some scaremongering bullshit that politicians run to score points, and the media lap up, because of the Cold War Memes gives you a good amount of clicks, and you don't have to do any research other than to repeat old prejudices from the seventies.

FFS, the Russian military stationed near the Norwegian, Swedish and Finnish borders would be completely outmatched by the Nordic forces.

Why should we then spend more? There is no reason to. It's merely a meme that the US likes to use to pretend that it's unfair that they pay more than everyone else to maintain the US hegemony over the world.

It's completely retarded, and I don't think that anyone actually buys the whole "spend 2%" thing.

A Nordic alliance with no increase in spending would bring Scandinavia + Finland together, and while Finland desperately needs to modernise its forces, the combined military might would be enough to see off any Russian incursion, unless the Russians increased military spending.

Which they don't want to do, because they would rather fix their internal problems.

But, if Europe suddenly started to massively increase their military spending, Russia might be forced to. That would lead to a Russia with larger internal problems, which runs directly counter to the rest of Europe's interests.

tl;dr the 2% meme is a danger to world peace.

I'm not saying we should be allies, I'm saying we should stop being hostile.

butthurt generator at the finest

Russia needs to make the first steps towards friendship. They've annexed parts of multiple countries, sit on illegal land, and whine about citizens using their illegal citizenship laws as a casus belli. They want peace, fine. If they don't we can starve them out and balkanize them.

> 1st of April
What an auspicious date!

This is what Russians outside of Russia think of the Ally of Islam.

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>What an excellent idea, they will surely never force you to take shitty deals so they can place a base or two in your country
This.

We already once tried to have "friendly relations with Russia" while Tusk (current EU president) was our prime minister - it ended up with Russia shamelessly embargoing our meet, starting Nord Stream project with Germany, killing our president in Smoleńsk and forcing us to pay the highest price for gas of all the other European countries. And finally, the Crimea chimpout happened.

Fuck the Katsaps, the only argument they understand is the argument of force. We need to keep sanctioning their shit untill their economy collapses, just like in '89. It's the only way.

And as much as I believe Trump would be a good president for USA (I have my doubts though), he would be terrible for Poland, Baltic countries, and eastern Europe in general.

Or we could, I don't know, let Victoria Nuland fuck up The Ukraine again so we have to let them take Crimea back.

Or we could, I don't know, let Hilary Clinton, Susan Rice, Samantha Power, et al fuck up Syria so hard that we have to start fencing info to Russian military so they can hem in the mess.

>current EU president
There's your problem. Never negotiate from your cuckshed.

there is no reasoning with slavs
they must all be purged

>he would be terrible for Poland, Baltic countries, and eastern Europe in general.
Or it will give EU a chance to man the fuck up under a conservative leadership, have a federal army and doubling down on sanctions until the slavshits and their manlet overlord fucking choke on them

Too bad nobody gives a shit about other countries.
Don't you get that Trump's platform is "America Fuck Yeah! Rest of the World, Fuck Off"?

Which, because of the ineptitude of his opposition, is still leagues better than Hillary.

Russia is coming baltics. Prepare your anus.

>Trump elected President
>Russia becomes an ally
>Trump disbands NATO
>Putin pays America off to not intervene as they invade baltics

Let's not use Tusk, I hate his guts. Also I can understand your worries, but if armed conflict or negotiations won't work then what will?

How's that Super Mario Draghi working out for you? He's about to force all those sanctions, right?

Italy, the financial center of the world.

>Federal army
No, fuck that, no fucking way.

>man the fuck up under a conservative leadership
Under what "conservative leadership"? 90% of "natonalist", anti-refugee parties are Putin's lapdogs, financed by Moscow. Do you expect them to act against their master?

>federal army
Yeah, fucking great idea - even more European federalism. What could possibly go wrong.

I wonder how many Americans would go to fight, especially if they went after Poland as well. Ugh, the one reason I absolutely detest Trump is because this will happen if he gets elected.

>11% muslim population
>after sanction now Russia's major export is gay porn
>corruption and mafia over the roof (and this comes from an italian)
>manlet president, wannabe tough guy acting as a front for the jewish oligarchs pulling his strings
>gets rekt by turkroach Erdoshit
>communism, AIDS and krocodil
>paid RIDF shills tricking neckbeards into le white christian Russia against le degenerates :))))) meme
>le stronk KGB putting le polonium in le traitor spy :)))))
>meanwhile rubles are worth like my dog's crap
>antistealing devices on food packages in russian supermarkets cuz poor and shit

Kill yourselves pidorashkas, you ain't fooling anyone here

Good post but a proper Nordic defense pact isn't happening as long as you and Denmark are Nato.

>Yeah, fucking great idea - even more European federalism. What could possibly go wrong.

At least we can agree about that.

people are really misreading trump, he wants better relations with Russia but he would never bow to them, remember, he's an American nationalist

Nor does Trump particularly care for Putin. When Putin complemented Trump, Trump replied that he appreciated the comment but it did Putin no favors.

Under EU control? NO

A Nordic battlegroup answering to a council of it's constituent member nations? Imperium mare Baltici, baby!

>Do you expect them to act against their master?
We have conservative non meme parties who are against immigration and proEU

Explain.

maybe a Baltic army with US financial and material support

>Too bad nobody gives a shit about other countries
Yeah, and this is exactly why I'd rather see 4 years of Shillary continuing somewhat-strong stance against Russia of Obongo, rather than having Trump going full-cuck mode while "making America great again".

>if armed conflict or negotiations won't work then what will
Putin isn't dumb enough to start an armed conflict against NATO country. As I said, economic warfare is the key here. We can't soften our stance on Moscow, we need to keep the sanctions.

I'm not pro-Russia mate. Just pointing out that Italy is in the shitter and not in much of a position to imaginate about taking down Russia any more than it could hope to take down the US or the EU. I seek pragmatic solutions, which Super Mario, the foreign appointed technocrat, does not provide. Italy has officially been taken over by a bank. A FUCKING BANK.

Hey, it's the same thing here. But the US is in fact even older as a country than Italy, the "old world" so you can learn something from our history.

This, so much this.

It's particularly infuriating calling out Putin and Russia on their bullshit and being bombarded with "thanks for correcting the record." They think if you criticize Russian expansion in any way you're automatically a CTR shill.

hahaha prepare to get liberated!

>all this eastern european butt-hurt over Russia
>all this ignoring of history
The baltics are scum.
Poland are scum.

They had their empires and they lost. Now they cry like weak little bitches. Hilarious.

Literally all you can do now is suck dick to insure yourself against some 'maybe crazy ivan invasion'. Pathetic.

Poland is regarded as rightful Wetern clay. This should be obvious. The military would probably coup Trump before letting him go full cuck.

More importantly, make your own damn missle shields to point at Russia if that's what you want so much.

Our GDP is bigger than Russia's ;^)
Draghi is doing what he can, i think he is genuinely a good man but he is alone against a shitfest of incompetent retards who are just using the extra cash provided by the ECB to repay older loans instead of intervening on the real economy

>We have conservative non meme parties who are against immigration and proEU
I know, but sadly, currently it's Putin's meme parties who get more and more support - AfD and National Front, most notably. Also these guys in Austria and Netherlands, I forgot their names.

looks like its time to bomb luxemborg.

A federal army supplied by and answering to the nations in the battlegroup (i.e Finland, Norway, Sweden, Estonia, Ireland, Lithuania, Latvia)

As always, cooperation with allied nations (USA, Europe uncucked) is encouraged.

>Our GDP
Are you collecting taxes from the migrants? That's what Italy is historically good at, going back to Venice etc.

I would agree about the economic sanctions, but the problem in my country is that our leaders cucked us and changed the Litas for the failing Euro currency. It tripled our prices as a result.

Pro tip: don't change your currency into Euro it will not only fuck you over but fuck us up too.

>Poland is regarded as rightful Wetern clay. This should be obvious
I somehow feel safer when there is an Ukrainian buffer zone between us and Russia, existence of which becomes questionable if Trump gets elected.

>make your own damn missle shields
We're doing that already.

USA should just pull all NATO support out of Europe. I'm 90% sure that if this was brought to a vote it'd be passed by an overwhelming majority. Who the fuck would want to support a bunch of ingrates who mooch of you then bad mouth you later? Euros do nothing but bitch and moan about USA's presence so why not just fucking leave? We have better things to spend tax payer money on.

God this makes me angry, what a load of bullshit!
Only brainwashed lefty scum and uninformed people would think that way.

I think our "media" told us a while ago that when Trump gets elected the conflict between US&A and Russia is quite possible...now they are telling the opposite - Trump will get along with Putin and therefore he sells us to him.

I'm so sick and tired if this crap...I really am

The day of the rope is coming for all of us.

>Russia needs to make the first steps towards friendship.
Russia has been doing this the 90's and especially following 9/11.

The west gave no shits and just tightened the screws on Russia.

Thus, Russia will not make the first spep again because the last time they did that we fucked up them over. If there's going to be an improvement in relations, it will have to be the West's turn to step up.

Even Henry Kissinger thinks that The Ukraine should be a buffer zone between East and West. That makes him correct for once in his life, half as many times as a stopped clock shows the right time during each day.

Destroy you? You mean like when Gediminas forged your country out of stolen Slavic land and conquered his way to the Black Sea? Or in 1368? You know, the year you started the very first great war with Muscovy, in which you attempted to wipe out your adversary completely? Or in the fourth and fifth wars in which you undoubtedly had the starting advantage? When you paid the Crimean Khanate off to fight for you, what, you think that was just for shits and giggles?

Don't try and simplify history like a child, all you accomplish is cementing the reputation of the "butthurt belt". The USSR saved you from industrial genocide and eventually peacefully dissolved entirely on its own: if the communists wanted to destroy you, they were history's worst procrastinators. When you paint that country as pure evil and try to equate it to the Russian Federation while belonging to an alliance that exists solely to threaten the Russian Federation, how dare you act surprised when war is on the horizon once more?

OK it would be a good idea as long as it's not federal and all the nations have an equal say in the matters. Also by what criteria would countries join Ireland seems a bit out of left-field to me.

But then we'll be back in six years fighting whatever monster rose out of our absence. I mean I'm all for it, I just wish we didn't have to be the world police.

I find it absolutely ridiculous how Russia managed to make alt-righters their personal bitches and propaganda tube in west, just like they've been doing it with commie kids and hippies during entire Cold War.

Russia took military action against the sovereign states of Georgia and Ukraine after 9/11

>The USSR saved you from industrial genocide and eventually peacefully dissolved entirely on its own

Yeah, I had a big argument with a friend about this. He kept pointing out how they're being dicks about Crimea and Syria, and I kept pointing out how they're border states to Russia and we were actively interfering in them, and he refused to acknowledge that that gave them any right to act like dicks...

How would we make the first step? They have Crimea and Eastern Ukraine occupied? Granted, those should be part of Russia, but Finland, Japan, Poland, and others deserve parts of Russia as well.

I'm fine with them making a public step and we make the real first step. But I've seen nothing that Russia has done that wasn't for their own benefit, wanting to join NATO and European security organizations was to filibuster them.

Not seeing how your country's inability to defend its own sovereignty is my problem. You Euros do nothing but complain and shirk and insult the USA's military, so fucking step up and do it yourselves.

It's ironic that the nation with the most draconian foreign policy in history is trying to scold us about what we did in the past. Fix your shit before you consider yourself better than what my country was in the middle ages.

Tau nepatinka 3 kartus pakilusios kainos bei nepasikeite atlyginimai? Tu gal blet dar ir rusus palaikai? - Grybas

You don't seem to mind being world police when oil is involved though, Mr. Burger.

>this is what burgers believe

Keep the current members and an equal vote council. Just give two big old middle fingers to the EUrocrats.

I have honestly no idea why Ireland decided to join us but since they're already here and tend to be pretty based I say let them stay.

alt-right isn't even a thing. Don't buy the jew lies.

That's why we keep posting based yuri because anybody who can't into subversion 101 ain't nothing but abu hajaar.
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>The USSR saved you from industrial genocide and eventually peacefully dissolved entirely on its own
>alliance that exists solely to threaten the Russian Federation

Truth hurts.
And Russia will take military action against you too if you
1) bomb their shit
or
2) ransack your capital in some half-assed civil war.

I don't know even know why I'm explaining this to you. You're either a brain-dead retard or a troll. There's no helping you either way.

I thought Trump would start WW3 against Russia? What happened?

And most importantly, why the fuck should an American care that some slavs are scared? America first, faggots.

t. Jonathan "Slavaman" McWilliam

How about this
>Trump becomes pres
>Trump disbands NATO
>USA, Russia alliance is unstoppable

World police was necessary during the communism scare of the 20th century but less so now. Communism has proven to be a failure and most country's have worked it out of their systems (though a handful still cling to some vestige of it). These days though the world is just tired of the USA's military presence, and it costs us so much money to maintain this global force projection. See no reason we should continue to watch over Europe when they won't even lift a finger to defend themselves and don't even appreciate the effort.

Man idomu ar yra sansas kazkaip grazinty musu senesnes kainas griztant prie lito.

>bomb their shit
Ah yes. We all remember how those filthy Finns bombed the poor russians who was on their way to party meeting they was good bois dindu nuffin.

Unfortunately, the Jewish Bolshevik Communists got us into a situation that they call American Primacy. You can read a short well-written book by butthurt Pole Zbizniew Brezinzki about this. It's calle, "The Grand Chessboard."

The question is how do we get out of this without causing destabilization or losing our place in the world?

Your NWO puppetmasters won't allow it

>retards actually think this
Yes, Putin is going to declare war and annex a NATO state, you fucking delusional faggot. The only reason Putin was able to annex Crimea was because US had attempted to destabilize the country to further its own ends, and they took advantage of the chaos to secure their port in land that had been theirs for centuries.

You fucking bluepilled goy.

No? Solid chunk of ethnically and historically ukraine and very controversial sniplet of lithuania is as far as poland goes. Belarus might be in there though, it's basically non country on par with belgium. No russia whatsoever.

What, you think you the Soviets didn't have the military muscle to enact a military style dictatorship? The commie leaders decided to end it peacefully. That's a fact.
That is in fact why Ukraine has all the land that it has. It's internal borders during the Soviet times were increased for bureaucratic reasons or whatever.

Also, whether you like it or not, Soviet Iron curtain is why you aren't fucked enough culturally to think Conchita Wurst is a pretty lady.

Pro's and con's. Soviets sucked man, but don't deny the positives.

Trump doesn't want to disband NATO he said he thinks it's obsolete and in need of reform.

Your lack of faith is displeasing

He's absolutely right about that. Needs an update for the changing political landscape. First order of business is kicking out the fucking moochers who refuse to contribute meaningfully.

>I've seen nothing that Russia has done that wasn't for their own benefit

My god, a country is doing something to benefit themselves

>we
>American flag
You can start by moving back to whatever Baltic country you're from. Brain drain is a serious issue, especially in the political arena.

You won't escape from beneath the thumb of the US by exporting anyone with more than a double digit IQ.

you wouldn't be saying this if green men had appeared in Alaska (another historically Russian land)

this is why I really despise my countrymen sometimes

RAPE THE BALTIC NAZI SCUM!!!!!

>I thought Trump would start WW3 against Russia? What happened?
Your media decided it wasn't going to get Hillary enough votes. You should be publicly lynched for believing the media, especially US media, in this day and age

>And most importantly, why the fuck should an American care that some slavs are scared? America first, faggots.
If ruskies decide to conquer Europe and actually manage to do so, you're next burgers. But by then ruskies have an entire continent under control and can attack you from pretty much all sides.

>You Euros do nothing but complain and shirk and insult the USA's military
Poland is the only country that spends over 2% of its GDP on military, aside of UK and Greece. And tell me when we've ever insulted your military.

>so fucking step up and do it yourselves
We should have told that when we sold our boys to die for your oil business in Afthanistan and Iraq. Do you still remember? Poland deployed the biggest amount of troops out of all the other NATO members.

>B-but it was our corrupt government who started these wars
I don't give a fuck. We did our part of deal and licked your asses, getting nothing in return, you ungrateful cunts. All we ask in return is keeping Putin at check and not letting him go chimp mode.

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This is how Polish people welcome US troops in Poland. We treat you as friends and allies. Thank you for will to turn our back on us because you fell for internet memes of isolationism and "based Putin".