How hard is it to go innawoods and live off the land? I heard a deer has enough meat to feed a man for a whole year and that its not that herculean a task to build a log cabin, so thoughts?
The end of times will be within our lifetimes and I want to be prepared.
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It's pretty hard desu.
Watch Alone and you'll get a good idea.
You're going to die.
Good luck out there.
You need to own the land first. Then you need to have a steady paycheck coming in to pay your taxes. You really can't just go live innawoods unless you're retired, can work from home over the internet, or so rich you don't need to work.
If you meet those requirements, then you can go live innawoods.
>1 deer can feed a man for a year
This sounds like bullshit but I don't know much about that so who knows.
indians survived innadwoods with primitive weapons for thousand of years, as did the settlers, go away civilization cuck
what are the chances you as a canuck wont be eaten by a bear if you really wanted to live in the wild. You will atleast need weapons (alot of fucking bullets), well equiped home with food storage (canned food), alot of extra clothes, and have some experience of living in a very harsh environment. .
You should just start going out there and trying it, get good at it before you need to be good at it.
Start out by just going camping and then take less and less shit with you as you get better, it's what I do.
>I could probably last about a couple weeks with only a knife, so I guess thats something.
>indians survived...
by means of cooperation. What is a tribe?
Exactly. You're going to die on your own.
>I could probably last about a couple weeks
if you could last weeks with just a knife why not indefinitely? What's really going to change after a couple weeks?
>it's pretty hard
Yes I agree with this
But when you are forced to do it, that natural survivor instinct will kick in
Fight or Flight as they call it..
Build shit and the gov. will come for you for fucking with their land.
Camp instead.
I suggest learning enough about plantlife for foraging, looking up local hunting laws and learning how to properly cook and prepare wild game.
Also, learn some fire safety skills, don't go to wild-fire area's or national parks with firewatch lookouts, to prevent gov. being on your ass.
Also, learn how to make a fire with a flint.
Learn the area - I suggest camping there for a few weekends at a time before making a permanent stay.
Basic survival skills are necessary - cleaning water and shit like that. First aid. Etc.
Also, cutting yourself from society is hard. You may find a need to come back for medical reasons and such, so you'll need some form of income, however technically by going innawoods you can cut all costs, so you might want to save up and throw money into bonds and funds to grow interest.
Preparation is key.
Its pretty hard if you go way the fuck out in no mans land with no one knowing your where abouts and no hospitals, general store, hunting store, pharmacy etc.
There is a reason every pioneer town had a pharmacy and doctor...you will fucking die without it...especially being innawoods drinking all that fucky water and struggling through the winter.
It aint easy kid. And its lonely as fuck to boot.
>I could probably last about a couple weeks with only a knife
Not even macgyver x10.000 can do that shit.
This guy built a cabin it with basic hand tools in a couple weeks. He also has 300/300 woodworking
I'm not a very good predator yet, I'd probably go hungry or eat poison berries trying not to go hungry.
This dude is pretty cool, I wish I had more time to try to learn his skills.
>buildt a house in alaska
>without getting fucked over by a bear.
Did he do that in one go or did he leave and come back to build on the house? If so I wont consider it effort imo.
As long as you live near a source of water this is pretty simple.
But you must have a basic knowledge of the vegetation of your country to not die poisoned and to be able to eat.
How the hell do you manage to get close enough to animals with only a knife?>I heard a deer has enough meat to feed a man for a whole year
Not true, though deer do have a FUCK TON of meat on them. if you're really conservative with it, one might last you a month or two
Trudea will just let the fires consume your log cabin. Sorry bud.
Its called living off grid.
No job, no taxes, just freedom.
You really dont know what you are talking bout you sheltered faggot.
>mfw i own the dvd and visited his cabin
Idaho has a huge national forest very remote with several people living in it. Google David burgert
He ws using his friends cabin who happened to be the commander of base kodiak at the time.
Dick worked at Kodiak as a machinist
Bears aren't really that bad or common.
Black bears rather run away from Humans then attack them, and Polar bears won't attack unless you go out of your way to fuck with them. Grizzlies are fucking scary though. They will charge the everloving shit out of you if they consider you even remotely suspicious
If you know what you are doing its not hard at all, when I was young I was taught how to live off the land I lived on a farm, we hunted, we fished and we grew out own food as well. A deer might feed you for a year if you use every part of the deer and eat other things with it, but I'm not 100℅ sure about that.
>I heard a deer has enough meat to feed a man for a whole year
That really does not sound right. You will need at least 3K cal. per day under a moderate work level. Which google tells me will call for over 5 pounds of deer a day. Which is 1800 pounds of meat a year, or according to one hunting blog about 36 deer. Now you might be able to stretch it to a fraction of that by being economical with your deer and getting ever last source of calories out of it (the fat packed around the organs in particular). Something like 5 sounds like a doable number to me, but the numbers imply it would be higher.
At the time i mean, while he was building his own cabin
No you will die. Those instincts only develop if you are raised in that environment. Why do you think zoo animals die when released to the wild?
Civilization is a zoo for people.
I would do it if I had an internet connection and electricity.
grizzly
>My reaction
>Be user
>Perched on tree branches
>drop down on critters and stilt throat
but people are smarter than animals
>about 36 deer
That's a lot of Bambi's
Humans are parasites
Vancouver island is tough as fuck though.
If you go with a few people you will have a 10x easier time.
I can make a fishing pole or a snare with a knife. I don't have nearly enough skill to attempt to bring down big game. I guess I could make a spear but I know fuckall about hunting really. I still have a lot to learn but at least I'm trying.
There is a video where he just fucks over a bear with a shotgun, it was on VICE.
I don't think that figure means you would only be eating deer.
mountain men (NOT THE SYNDICATED SHOW). rockie mountains and appalachians. they had a loose relatianship, but were merely hermits.
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jumping out of trees to try to attack animals with only a knife is a good way to get yourself fucked innawoods but I have thought about that too
It's pretty fucking hard, guy. You need money if you want to live a lifestyle comparable to 19th century settlers. Things like flour and saltpetre and honey must be bought because 1 dude does not have time to make all that shit while trying to survive innawoods. Otherwise, you have to live like the chugs used to, eating mice and river clams and cattail roots and probably dying anyway.
Yea I am not saying I will magically live if shit was to happen
But honestly I would still put up a fight if my life depended on it. Would you do the same? or just sit back and let people walk all over you..
They had knolage of the land, had grown up learning about trapping, hunting, and gathering, do you know how to do any of this? If not there is a good chance you will die from disease, hypothermia, or even starve to death relatively quickly left to your own devices in the woods.
If you are actually planning trying to survive in nature I would suggest trying it while the grid is up, see how good you are doing after a week or so.
Intelligence doesn't matter. You can't rationally deduce which fruits are edible and which will kill you within 6 hours. There's a high chance you die within the first 48 hours before even getting a chance to learn from your mistakes.
tfw There is a documentary of it on vice.
>You will need at least 3K cal. per day under a moderate work level.
You don't fat ass.
I'll give you a little insight as I went into the wilderness in northern CA, up by the truckee river to try and homestead, I made it pretty well for about 3 months, It was okay, but I literally started starving once it got freezing cold, and there was little to no game around, so I walked into the nearest town, it was about 10 miles away, I realized how much I missed people once I got there, and it kind of cured my autismo, because now I live with my girlfriend in a nice ass apartment in a nice ass town, and I have a pretty good job. so it might be good for you, you might lose some weight, and learn a lot about yourself, but make sure you know basic hunting/foraging/shelter building/fishing before you do this.
You're over estimating the work and physical excursion part.
A major error in modern life. Food. Water. And shelter. That's all you need. It's more mental and planning ahead than physical excursion.
Slow and steady.
How am I supposed to let people walk all over me if I'm alone out innawoods where there are no people? Are you drunk?
It's not like most plants are dangerously poisonous (although i guess that depends on location). Once you found one or two that were safe you could look for only those.
A 200lb deer has about 50-60 lbs of meat on it. One man can easily eat 3 deer in a year, man and wife 5 deer and an elk or moose. Better get a good knife sharpener.
Fucking a dumb ass leaf.
I weigh 183 lbs with 12% body fat and I only need 3.1k calories to maintain my weight working out 2-3 hours a day 6 days a week.
Sitting around fishing or shooting deer is not very energy consuming.
hell yeah dude. I mean if it takes to live in the forest after a nuclear attack or something I would be bendt to do that if I was in canada or america. Living in the woods is actually really nice considering clean fresh air and amazing view of the wild. Bear in mind I cant say it enough, get weapons incase of an emergency incase of a wild deer or a attacking bear.
>YOU WILL NEED WEAPONS
You've obviously never spent and extended period innawoods. 3kcal is normal for an adult male working innawoods. This requirement goes up in the winter
You have to spend a lot of time practising first, and then you have to go in with a lot of shit ready. Consistently finding food is incredibly hard, and you'll basically be starving slowly.
>I heard a deer has enough meat to feed a man for a whole year
lol no
I mean, that's what my dad and his wife eat every year, 5 deer and an elk if they're lucky. They don't buy meat, except the occasional chicken or turkey. Also he fishes a lot.
ok, but you can take no tools with you.
you must do everything from scratch
good luck even finding enough calories
I kind of want to do this, maybe in a year or so when i'm ready to quit my job. It would be tough but only a few months wouldn't be bad and it really would be a great character builder
>No job, no taxes, just freedom.
and you think the state will just allow that?
>try a random mushroom
>get explosive diarrhea for 48 hours
>die of dehydration
or
>try random berry
>tastes like shit
>didn't die
>100 calories per lb
>can't eat enough to sustain
>die
You're better off practicing a niche skill that will be essential during the happening, and joining some sort of tribe/community when it does happen. Consider your skill to be your bartering tool when the options for other people are to sacrifice one woman in their families as a sex slave.
Also, where in the states would be the best place to do this? I'm in colorado, seems like it would be doable but difficult.
"innawoods" is gay and short term. You will quickly find that living in a primitive cabin is suffering compared to what you have. Better to invest in remote farm land. build it up while times are good. Invest in the tools you need to make life both comfortable, reliable and long term. Tools, guns, ammo, food and anything you can't make yourself.
Get say 20-30 acres of land somewhere in the midwest or a rural area. The goal is you can't be within 10 miles of a paved road. Logging roads are a plus. Once you have it built up, let the entrance over grow with weeds and thistles and shit.
A spring or reliable source of water. A well is fine but invest in a good manual pump. Even better, invest or build in a pump jack with a handle and you can have both a manual pump and a DC electric motor on it thats solar powered if you dont want to yank on it all day. Although with the pump jack you should be able to get more than 10 gpm if your not a fatty or old. Either way get a cistern and bury it. The bigger the better. If the spring is uphill put it right beneath it and add a over flow that runs to a lake or pond so it stays fresh. Build your house downhill from it and you have water pressure with no pump. If its a well put the cistern above the well on a hill and pump up hill. 100-120 feet will give you really good water pressure thats similar to city water done right.
Heat. Wood is good. You will never run out of it but you need the right tools and some run on gas. Consider other options. If you live near natural gas wells make a note of it and keep the parts on hand to tap into it post SHTF. These wells can be a major resource boon. They also can produce drip gas. Which is basically low octane gasoline similar to kerosene. Low compression engines like 4.5:1 or possibly 5:1 will run on it, keep in mind it lacks the additives that modern gas has so use it on old engines, something iron not aluminum. Maybe add some lubricants.
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In the wild even a minor illness can transform into a life-threatening one. You must keep in mind there are no medics nor antibiotics in the wild.
> all these city folk
Well good for you, I don't live out innawoods or anywhere near it, I would rather just stand ground in a /comfy/ area where I am secluded but not so far away I have to walk back into town to find supplies
I can always bury food, water and general supplies in the backyard and just keep myself hidden in the mean time.
Now you can choose to disagree or not idc, but do you really believe any of this shit will happen? On a scale of 1 to 10 do you believe we will be having a "Fallout" in our life times? Is it advisable to start preparing now?
You're forgetting Moose lad, the buffer cousin of the deer with the agression of a grizzly
They outnumber bears 3-to-1 and lash out at humans if they're hungry
If you have no income and don't own anything you don't really have any taxes.
>You must keep in mind there are no medics nor antibiotics in the wild.
You're not going to need tons of medical supplies, you could easily take enough with you. For a decent amount of time.
Time for some Primitive Technology in this bitch
Or bring a rifle or shotgun and just shoot animals and eat them.
Why build a cabin just get a trailer and dump it out in WV somewhere its dirt fuckin cheap.
I live innawoods, its pretty nice except summer is fire season which means its anxiety season since all it takes is one idiot to toss a smoke & burn 100k acres.
Other than that its nice my friend, no nogs, extremely low crime rate (tourists cause about 95% of crime), fresh air, cool animals (bears eat my trash but whatever). If you dont mind the cold its perfect
It's not too difficult to make biofuel is it?
Primitive Technology is my jam, I was waiting for someone to start adding his videos, I couldn't be bothered.
>live innawoods
>get wicked tooth infection
what then? some tooth infections you don't know which one it is, because it doesn't hurt or show any symptoms or pain til it's too late and already spread.
Alone?
Have fun dying by yourself in your "bliss" of isolation.
Most deer weigh between 75 and 125.
125 lb deer will give between 50-60 pounds.
I have witnessed one here in Norway. Yes they are huge. Luckily the one I met ran away when it saw me and my friends.
So fuckin ugly you spooked a moose, congrats
How the fuck do you even homestead anymore? Even in california?
I wish i had easy access to someplace like that. Doing that would be very relaxing.
Dentist here:
Don't eat carbohydrates. You will not ever have tooth decay leading to a pupal infection if you don't eat fermentable carbohydrates (unless you suffer trauma). Otherwise your teeth will never decay because you are not providing anything for strep mutans to ferment into acids. So if you live in the woods make sure to only eat deer and delicious bears and almost never carbs.
Don't buy an expensive well pump. You will literally by 10/10 mad if you ever find out how they actually make them. It can be done for less than 200 dollars in parts with stainless steel .
Power is key. electricity will allow you to use a dearth of tools you will need. Alternatives do exist bu electric will in the long run save you money. Some things are not worth doing by hand and time is always limited and when you need to work to eat, spending hours on a task might not be ideal. The more electricity the better. You can forget resistive heating unless you have a fairly large hydro set up.
Your options are:
Solar, economical and flexible and somewhat reliable. Hands off and simple. All off grid power systems should start with it.
Drawbacks are: winter time you will have months with little sun, dependence on batteries, being able to use large burst of power for tools is expensive and difficult. Inverters suck. The practical limit for a 12 volt system which is the cheapest system is about 600-700 Ah battery bank and about 900-1000 watts of solar. A 2000 watt inverter is as big as a 12 volt system can use. They make larger but its a waste. HUGE amount of amps on the 12 volt wire side. About 140 amps for 2000 watts at the batteries peak voltage.
Wind: dont bother. Not possible unless your on a 48 volt system which is expensive. You end up at least paying 1500-2000 dollars to make wind reliable and pay nice with other forms of power like solar and thats just the controller.
5000-6000 for a good renowned windmill that plays nice with solar and runs a high voltage wire to the batteries. Very important unless you want to spend 500-1000 dollars on 4/0 cable for a 100 foot run. That windmill produces 1000 watts. Windmills are finicky and very sight dependent. better to buy more solar unless you have a super windy place.
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This. Plus native American peoples are raised under extream conditions from childhood .
You think your soft pink body is suddenly going to transform into a hardened, wood and leather redskin over night?
His last video was comfy as fuck. His next one is gonna be great, I have a good feeling about it(But literally every single one is good)
>I heard a deer has enough meat to feed a man for a whole year
Which joker told you that?
>1 deer
>a whole year
not too hard
Nice. That's some good information there. Thank you, dentist bro.
Bears don't predate on humans. Other than ones near civilization that become habituated to human presence they'll avoid people. I've hiked through bear territory many times and I've yet to actually encounter a bear.
You just have to make lots of noise.
I've also heard bears walking through my camp sites at dawn. They'll sniff around but if they can't find any accessible food they'll mosey on pretty quickly.
Just: never eat in your tent.
Never put food near your tent
Don't wear clothes that you cooked in in your tent.
Look up Primitive Technology on Youtube.
This guy does insane shit without proper tools.
>How hard is it to go innawoods and live off the land?
It's not impossible but you need to right tools and training or else don't even try
Someone that wanted OP to die during winter
Moose are kind of like Polar bears in the sense that they won't attack you unless you either get too close, spook it or if they're just pissed in general
Not worth it. The chemicals involved can't be produced on sight so its worthless long run. Consider black diesel if you live near oil wells or the best of all wood gas. Literal usable gas from wood. Acts like natural gas. It can get expensive if you want a turn key solution but if you dont mind processing or using more (infinite supply) of wood you can use a charcoal gasifier where you make your own charcoal. Look up the gary gilmore simple fire charcoal gasifier. Shit is cheap to make and perfect for running small engines. No tar problems, cheap to make and all you need to do is filter out the dust. Read up on it, plenty of room ti improve and has been improved on his design but the basic is very simple and effective. Don't use it on a screamer 3600 rpm generator. Wood gas does poorly at high rpm and those generators don't last long. Get a slow speed older 1800 rpm onan from an rv. They don't make them anymore but you can get them cheap on craigslist. Usually iron block, rock solid and 1800 rpm. Good for 20,000 hours or more between rebuilds. Baby it, clean it up and keep up on the maintenance and it will last a lifetime. It wont last forever with 24/7 use but 20-50 hours a week it would.
his bollo video went on a little long but i do enjoy all of his stuff, he is an inspiration.
It's easier than ever if you know how to leverage technology. You can be many miles innawoods with solar power, a good garden, freeze-dried food, guns, a seed bank, etc, etc. You could even use a low powered SDR a listen to radio from all around the world, get news from Inmarsat, watch OTA TV, etc. You could literally download a mirror of Wikipedia and bring 6tb of movies in your backpack. They have lithium marine batteries now that would easily power a laptop, some LED lights and a mini fridge for longer than you'd ever be without sunlight. You could bring 6 hens and a rooster with you and eat eggs every single day.
It's amazing the advances that come in just the last decade.
more knowledge than you do of your own language
Oh damn, we iron age now.