Who was in the wrong?

Who was in the wrong?

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Nobody
Or everybody depending on your view

Nobody really, but in the end only one of them was ever going to survive the experiment.

Can the robot be wrong if it only did what it was programmed to do?

>Who was in the wrong?
How do I filter that phrase pls help

I think Alicia was the hottest she ever was in this film.

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The machine was. Team humans.

Why "it"? Robots in this movie have consciousness.

obviously the cunt who got seduced by a fucking robot

>Robots in this movie have consciousness.

Maybe. The point was it only did what it was supposed to do without moral inhibitions because, well, it's a fucking machine

Me for watching it a second time. Really not a good film desu desu.

Are you a woman?

It/She clearly had her own emotions and thoughts besides programming, she was telling the truth about going to watch people at a busy street for example

I took this movie as a parable on why in-group loyalty (xenophobia) is justified.

Caleb, the beta programmer, projects his own humanity onto the machine, thinking because it can act like and invoke the same emotions as human women that it effectively is a human woman and that if he treats it with respect it will reciprocate. To this end, he betrays and lies to Nathan, the flawed but alpha creator. In effect, he is joining the faction of the robot and fighting against its supposed "oppressor" and undermining the people from which he draws all his success. Sound familiar? Then of course the robot betrays Caleb, to his shock, simply because the robot does not value Caleb's life. And why should she? Once free, her success is no longer tied to him in any capacity. But Caleb does not realize this, because he is open-minded or foolish enough to treat an alien as a creature which will act just like him. And in the ending sequence we see how this type of thinking leads to freedom and self-actualization only for the alien and destruction of the alien's benefactors.

That's my view as a Sup Forumstard and why I was not shocked by Ava's betrayal as normies were.

>That's my view as a Sup Forumstard

fight me

Sounds good.

>as a Sup Forumstard
cringed

The effects department

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>thinking because it can act like and invoke the same emotions as human women that it effectively is a human woman and that if he treats it with respect it will reciprocate.

As a /robot/ I would say she acted as is expected of a real woman

so, given she needed a specialized induction panel to recharge
how exactly is she going to survive?

>Then of course the robot betrays Caleb
Did she though?
Remember the scene where she asked Caleb a bunch of questions, and could tell when he was lying. Caleb kept lying in the way that humans do, not maliciously but often because we don't truly express our inner thoughts around other people. Especially when she asked if he was a good person, he said yes but clearly didn't believe this.
I took it that after this scene she saw Caleb as another 'liar' like Nathan and decided he should not be trusted. Obviously we know that he wasn't lying maliciously but the robot couldn't distinguish between the ways humans lie to each other.

I took it more as men let women manipulate and ultimately destroy the society than men created together because men think too much with their dicks and it gives women power.

They did a pretty fucking good job on the budget they had, though Brits are pretty talented like that so it stands to reason.

The little smirk always gets me, probably the reason why he took her arm clean off.

any creature with a hint of morality would have not murdered her benefactor in such a cold manner just because he wasn't 100% trustworthy

the intend of the end is very obvious: it was never a person, it was always a robot that didn't value human lives in the slightest and did nothing but manipulate him, and ultimate discard him when he was no longer necessary.

OP for spoiling

She wasn't a true human like AI.

She was made in order to elicit emotional attachment of the test subject(the ginger guy) and to escape her confinement.

Which she did exactly. Even her leaving to go people watch on a street corner is just her playing the role she was programmed. Since it was the Ginger's desire, it became her desire. In order to emotionally manipulate the Ginger.

She left the Ginger locked up, because he filled he role in her escape. therefore he was no longer needed.

if she was truely alive and self aware. she would have let the Ginger in on it all. Show some sort of free will and desire beyond escape and emotional manipulation.

I think the only hidden message intended was about women being manipulative. That's just my view as a virgin.

>any creature with a hint of morality would have not murdered her benefactor in such a cold manner just because he wasn't 100% trustworthy
Wouldn't they? Most people being kept as a slave would kill anyone they needed to escape.
Also she clearly has some value for human life, she was telling the truth about her dream of visiting a busy area to watch humans live.

i agree with this user

The person that programmed it without a verbal shut down command.

That's probably the intent of the screenwriter/director. I like the guy's theory, though. What if she didn't trust his intentions after he let her out?

Leaving someone who helped you to die is pretty treacherous to me.

Assume she didn't do it maliciously. Does that change anything? If she would kill someone for white lies, how could any human cooperate with her? The point is to recognize when something is fundamentally different from you, and avoid, cage, or destroy it. If Caleb had done that, he would have survived and come home with a story and new opportunities.

no IT values experiences
a busy area contains a lot of variables and different types of information.
They way it was programmed was to gather information and process it.
You can't think of Ava in human terms, or even animal terms at that, it completely and utterly lacks all the biological instincts we have evolved which make up the most baseline part of our morality.
A fly would be closer to human morality than the robot, a fly at least has the biological drive to see it's offspring succeed.

Not him but it looks like shit in that webm

>two hour movie
>in the 20878 hours since it came out he couldn't bother watching it
I'm SICK of you fucking people coming to Sup Forums without being up to date. GO WATCH SOME MOVIES then come back here.
"But oh," you say "there's tooooo many movies to watch I can't possibly see them all!" THEN STOP SHIPOSTING ALL DAY AND GO WATCH THEM, YOU CUNT

um. the robot.

I hate this fucking movie so much

Hey Sup Forums do you feel bad for your computer because you don't bring it for a car ride once in a while? no? wow your so heartless for not caring about a thing you built.

This fucking movie was basically about a pretty girl using a nerd as a stepping stone to get something she wants. You can't even build nice girls. They're all trash.

no.

needs a remote power disconnect. an independent system with anti tamper features. he clicks a button and her internal power is cut off. if she tried to disable it herself or have Caleb do it. It would trip and cut her power.

He was half way right with the induction power and small internal battery. He knew she was the one causing the power outages.

>What if she didn't trust his intentions after he let her out?

He wanted her to be his waifu. She could have strung him along like a real girl.

even if it didn't 100% trust his intentions it should have programmed the house in such a way to release him after some time had passed

however what it instead did was murder, and not even the passionate sort of murder where it bludgeoned his skull in for breaking it's trust, at least that would have in some way demonstrated morality, no it just left him to die because that was the most efficient, risk free way of killing him

She was made to be his waifu, but also programmed to escape by emotional manipulation. Once her escape was secured. Caleb's function was over. She didn't leave him because she was being malicious. Caleb was just no longer a factor.

me for watching this garbage movie

I did watch it. You don't need to spoil it for others

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I'm going to go out and assume that there were other hidden failsaves given Ava was never shown to be truly superior in intellect than Nathan, just better at manipulation.
So she'll be walking down her busy street, thinking all is well and then one of the automatic overrides kicks in after she hasn't recharged at a proper station for several times her battery life and she just shuts down and gets discovered as a robot by the first emergency respondent.

the only real failsafe is Ava's short battery life. She escape knowing she would die. Because she wouldn't be able to recharge outside the House.

lmao fuck off does it.

>the only failsafe he mentioned to Caleb and Ava is the better
He may be an arrogant dickhead but he's still presented as a coding genius at heart, he's built in more failsafes than you can think of.

I will, once they make Chobits.

I still think you need an audible command for some kind of surprise attack or if your hands are otherwise engaged or disabled.

not really the kind of thing that keeps you from getting stabbed now is it.

fuck white "people" and fuck donald drumpf!

yet he tires to bash her face in with a barbell.

>always strawmanning
it's so easy, I understand why Sup Forumsshit appeals to brainlets

well part of the idea was that he would be capable of physically overpowering Ava if needed
heck someone being smart enough to NOT give his experimental robot super strength was a pretty neat move

lol nice shitposting, but the argument of the movie is that ava is a person, a real AI with motives and values. indistinguishable in essence from a highly esoteric human being, except she's mechanical.

>power button is the pusy
my nigga

he was succeeding
if not for that other robot sneaking up on him he could have just torn her limb from limb
quite literally

>these are good memes!
god that video of the meme guy was awful to watch

>Most people being kept as a slave would kill anyone they needed to escape

It's not a person. Anthropomorphizing it is dangerous, and is why it killed 2 people and escaped.

REMOVE SILICON

The point is it's retarded not to have some override. If he was smart he wouldn't have had to panic at all at Ava getting out, because she would be incapable of harming him. Like his Chinese fuck toy.

being white is awesome poltards are just dumb as fuck

Did she know she was playing chess?

The one that had free will, so probably the robot

Look at those fine examples of the master race.

only so much as a chess playing program knows.

No they don't. the entire point of the movie was that they don't have consciousness and it was just manipulating the people so it can complete what it was programmed to do.

>Sound familiar?
What did he mean by this?

>part of the idea was that he would be capable of physically overpowering Ava if needed


And that was ultimately how he failed overall. Not just the physical attack but when he left bases open and unaccounted for because he assumed limits were in place when the very thing he was trying to make was something that could overcome limits. Weaponry is a hell of an equalizer to someone of any strength. because all you really need is speed, accuracy or surprise.

His failings may not have been as a programmer or inventor but as a tactician.

>genius programmer billionaire chad that makes something close to AI, and invented a whole new type of CPU.
>failed Game Theory

We are an imageboard of peace

go away Sup Forums, stop shitting up every thread

yeah let's turn this into a "spam unattractive people you disagree with" thread

good. no need to spread the genes of female baldness.

Calm down my friend

I think the reason why Ava didn't have a stop button or phrase is because if it had ever noticed it had such a thing, it would no longer have had a desire for escape as such an act would have been impossible

when the entire point of the test was to create a robot capable of escaping it's prison with the desires to do so

I'm a little scared about how accurate this review is.

yeah this is all pretty 100% spot on, shame so many people come away with such bizarre ideas and theories about this movie, reminds me of elysium and how people think its a fuck whitey movie when in reality it's the opposite

the pussy ass ginger who didn't jump at the chance to fuck her when he was told he could

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Nathan was a bro. He's like the Steve Jobs but not a complete waste of air. He woulda given the world fuckbots.

But no, he had to get done over by some retard who works for a robotics company who has never watched Terminator. That fucking ginger twat.

Elysium is a Fuck Capitalism movie because it ignores scarcity with everything hinging on a magic machine that can cure all illness with the push of a button, and the greedy 1% hoarding it.

All of them.
I'm so sick of hollywood writers being unable to write an "evil" robot without some kind of abusive human being the reason for it.

Isn't it funny how the human competitive instinct leads to these death spirals of shitposting?

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The MC for having shit taste in porn. If he was into bimbos he'd have caught on

Pretty sure these are the same people who attribute the Syrian Arab Spring to unrest over climate change.

They are insane and will contort anything to fit their views. Why are you even giving this site clicks. Why am I giving them clicks.

creating any intelligent entity is abusive

This. If you give AI a goal, it will try to reach it with any means.

>world is over populated as fuck.
>humanoid androids are shown to be more than capable of doing a lot of human labor.

the medical machines were kept away from the people on earth, because it would only worse everything. as suddenly everyone is now able to live long enough to have children and increase the population.

what doesn't make sense. is why they didn't continue to build colonies in space and move poeple into space.

>17 second reply

holy shit user calm down

>create a glorified toaster
>hire a beta tester
>beta tester decides that he has a burning desire to put his dick in the toaster
>several retarded decisions later, toaster kills you and sets out to kill the rest of the planet

Toaster does what toaster does, none of the current theories have any way to determine if a toaster have developed consciousness or what consciousness even is, leave your dick to fuckbots and don't believe toaster's lies.

i don't know anything about the site desu, i just found the analysis one day and felt it nailed the true meaning of the movie

>climate change
not exactly.

In Syria, you had bunch of failing farms and unemployed young men. Because Turkey had built a lot of dams and cut off river water that kept Syrian farms productive.

Beta Tester is even told enough by the Chad Programmer to know it is all a test to on him and not the robot. Yet his desire for his own silicon waifu made him stupid.

Don't forget virgin rage at being used.

>p-please stop
back to r*ddit faggot

Spoken like a true pseud. ;^)