ITT: Serious discussion of film/tv-related plot holes.
Since it's revealed in the sewer drain scene IT doesn't need to instill fear in her prey in order to kill and feed, then why is IT unable to kill any of the main characters during any of the numerous times it corners them alone?
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The turtle is protecting the kids. Mentioned a few times in the book that Pennywise doesn't understand how the fuck these kids keep getting away and assumes it's because they're being protected by the beam guardian.
He needs a audience to dance in front of like all great horror icons
I think this is WHY he let her go in the bathroom scene. There isn't really another explanation for that
Oh shit, I forgot they referenced the turtle a bunch of times in the movie. I can't wait for it to show up in the next movies.
Not trying to reference the 90's movie, but the reason why Pennywise kept popping up and not kill them was to make them afraid and to fear him. That way, when it came time to kill them, he could do it successfully.
Pennywise is a psychic vampire. Her ability to hurt people is literally based on their believe that he's ABLE to hurt them. So much of IT is powered by the beliefs of his targets. Thats why she is CONSTANTLY trying to split them up, the doors slamming shut in the haunted house, using Bev as bait to lure them into the sewers so they get lost and split up and shit, it just doesn't work out too well because she realises too late they're being assisted by the Turtle.
Is IT relied on fear then it would not been able to kill Betty outright (or that first kid with the boat)
>she
Assuming you buy the premise that an extremely powerful, transdimensional being, capable of telepathy, teleportation, telekinesis and catatonia-inducing hypnosis, needs to frighten its victims before killing them, why am I supposed to believe that none of the Losers Club is afraid of IT after what transpires in the film, especially since all the other children IT's killed were simply hunted down and eaten like any other prey by any other predator? Therein lies the failure of this story as drama, in my opinion.
Maybe because you're a fagIT
Holy fuck his dance scene was fucking amazing
>her
>she
power of friendship
they realise that, for whatever reason, when they're together IT can't hurt them as much as it could when they were alone
Pennywise is a he. The spider is a she. The actual entity is sexless. Get it right you fucking loser.
About the spider. We actually got a glimpse of what the drider will look like, right?
Because then there wouldn't be a movie.
They're both just forms. It's all the same entity. I know you're shitposting but please.
I was just thinking how kino would it have been if Bill actually bolt gunned Georgie? Like George actually survived and persevered this long only to get killed by his brother
Actually, he's right. It can be a male Pennywise, a female spider, a leper guy or a painting lady. It is whatever It wants to be. Hence the name. It.
Ignoring the book, IT has never been hurt before getting bashed in the house by Bev, and it's experiencing a new feeling.
In the book Bill's wife sees its true form when looking into the deadlights and recognizes that it's female.
>IT part 2
>they go back into the sewers looking for IT
>youtu.be
Who will play Bill's wife?
Hopefully Marisa Tomei.
kek two of my friends thought it was actually Georgie
He could but he didn't feel the need to. Being alive for billions of years has made it arrogant and it just assumes it can kill them whenever it wants to.
My guess is that since IT was fresh out of it's hibernation cycle it needed to immediately gorge upon flesh to sustain it's physical body whereas with the main characters it felt it could take it's time and really freak them out before eating their fear(which is what nourishes it's cosmic true body).
I'm honestly impressed with anyone that can remember minute details from a book that weighs as much as a newborn infant.
My big question is why does it have a lazy eye?
What was the point of the librarian in the background?
Jennifer Anniston
Rofl how? It's pretty obvious that it isn't.
Subtle implication of how it influences the adults of derry and infects them
That she was possessed by IT. All the adults in Derry are.
Killing is easy, but the fear is what feeds it.
Read the original fucking novel you moron.
>Applying male-female sexes to a cosmic horror that exists outside of human comprehension
>A cosmic horror that once it exposed itself in the full to Beverly's future husband it literally caused his head to explode
>There are people who will unironically refer to the Deadlights as a he/she when in reality, the Deadlights are an It
Red herring for the audience
So then why didn't IT grow a massive futa cock to rape Bev?
Checkmate.
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When is that established though?
IT doesn't do that because IT is an extremely arrogant existential phenomenon. In the novel when it's being narrated from the viewpoint of IT, King makes it pretty clear that IT sees humans as nothing more than toys to be played with. Children are also IT's primary source of food because their fears are far easier to manipulate and make into a physical form when compared to many things adults are afraid of. That and child-flesh is like a finely salted steak after properly scaring the ever living shit out of them.
So if i read the wiki right the overarching history behind this movie is that It has been alive forever, but plopped Itself down in some random spot in Maine for millions of years, woke up for an unexplained reason precisely in the very important year of 1715, and for whatever reason decided to wake up every 27 years after that. And there's another ancient enemy called the Turtle that is Its enemy and even though It is basically doing fuckall and hardly threatening anyone outside this small town the Turtle decides that this particular group of kids should get to kill It for good.
Why even have this weird cosmogony which collapses when the eternal ageless entity somehow dies because a bunch of kids believe in themselves??
Lolling inside
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It wants them afraid so it can feed. It does it in the book too, fucking with them repeatedly instead of outright killing them.
It did manifest claw things at one point. But I'm rereading the book and Eddie mentions being terrified of a box of lobsters someone threw at him, so it could've been that too.
So why didnt it just ita true form to the kids and kill them all?
The war against "It" in the physical world is just one facet of the cosmic struggle. Think of it like the Light and Dark sides fighting one another.
can someone explain the whole deadlights part to me
I remember in the book it was also called the ritual of chud but asides from that I can't remember what that actually means and what pennywise actually does
>that fizzy soda and ice clanking sound in the concessions advertisement
>be enough of an autist to look around the theater to see if anyone fell for the subliminal effects if the ad
>feel super satisfied when you spot over half the theater taking a sip out of their drink in unison
IT has always had to feed on mental and physical energy, the reason it stayed on Earth is because of humans. IT had never encountered a species like humans and their amazing imagination which gives rise to fear, which is what it craves most of all.
>far easier to manipulate and make into a physical form when compared to many things adults are afraid of
oh man could you even imagine IT trying to scare an adult
>appears in the form of a banker and goverment agents coming to repossess your house and make you homeless or something
>tries to appear as you but bald from ass cancer and chemo treatments
>appears as some scary black guy in a shower robe telling you to bend over and pick up the soap
>IT comes to kill you and some people are actually relieved that they will finally be free from their shitty mundane lives as a wageslave
just thinking about it makes me chuckle.
It can't manifest its true form in reality. Hence the clown, spider, etc.
because hoomans are speshul
They're being protected by Muratin and Gad, one of whom is the Beam Guardian and a macroversal turtle who literally regurgitated our universe into being and the other is Stephen King's author avatar, i.e. the literal God of his multiverse.
Maturin and Gan. Get it right.
love and innocence have real power in the It-verse
No, shit's still retarded. Pennywise can
>shapeshift
>teleport
>mentally control people
>effortlessly bite through human flesh
Yet the kids keep escaping it by running through doors? Just admit that Stephen King is a hack.
IT is playing with them. It assumes it can just kill them at any time.
You're fighting against the same logical fallacy as me, just from a different angle. Assuming IT is a cosmic power beyond comprehension, there is no way it's life could ever be threatened by mortal children, let alone would bother fucking with them the way it does.
IT uses fear as seasoning. The Losers club was severely fucked up and had many deep fears, thus amazing toppings.
The others that were killed were just basic people with normal fears.
That would be my guess
Iunno man, could work pretty well, imagine looking outside your window and seeing an FBI agent with a warrant to seize your computer.
But neither of those were part of the child-orgy that magically enabled them to escape the sewers.
It's been years since I read the novel. But my point still stands. They're being protected by beings who are at least equal in strength or greater than Pennywise.
IIRC it's implied in the novel that the reason they all grow up to be successful, yet sterile adults is because Pennywise wanted them to fuck off and never have a reason to retun to Derry. It's made worse by the fact that when it poses as the statue of Paul Bunyan to Ritchie it threatens him with some really fucked up stuff and he fully believes that Pennywise had the power to do whatever it threatened him with.
>oh man could you even imagine IT trying to scare an adult
Not even trying to be edgy but it would just manifest as a cop.
>Flashing lights behind you
>Knocking on your door at night
>Showing up at your workplace asking for you
>Could just restrain you and take you somewhere nobody will see or hear from you again.
Mind you it's just bad writing in general. Stephen King is well known to just write without really thinking
Maturin actually explicitly says that he cannot and will not help the children, the children are just naturally agents of the White.
>>Applying male-female sexes to a cosmic horror that exists outside of human comprehension
God is male.
When they were confronted with the 3 doors, why didn't they just switch doors after they picked one?
>Bringing YHWH into a discussion about eldritch entities
You're not very smart, are you?
kek'd
>IT appears as a hot girl teasing you that you will be a virgin forever
>IT appears as a bright red letter from the bank
>IT constantly shows you images of a yourself trapped in a coma or vegetative state but aware of your surroundings
>IT appears as the candidate you didn't vote for about to win the polls
It doesn't need to make sense, the whole novel was King projecting his preadatory pedo fantasy.
the 1st door was the one they came from.
It's not that it couldn't kill them without them being afraid, it's that it likes to. In the book it equates it to salting meat.
> doesn't need to instill fear in her prey in order to kill and feed
That was never the case to begin with. Fear was more like a seasoning to IT. The more scared they were, the better they tasted.
In the book the Turtle is the one protecting them, that's how they keep escaping IT, and IT itself is fucking confused to why these little shits keep escaping IT
The book explains that these fears are too complicated have rational reasons and explanations so they aren't as good. A child's terror of a monster is pure and much stronger so much better for iT.
1.) It doesnt need fear to kill someone, it just makes them taste better
2.) turtle protects the kids
>I remember in the book it was also called the ritual of chud but asides from that I can't remember what that actually means and what pennywise actually does
Ritual of Chud was a psychic battle. It was basically a cosmic entity fighting a group of seven little shits using a gestalt field since during the ritual whatever they believed became real, like the silver hurting Pennywise or the battery acid inhaler.
>Assuming IT is a cosmic power beyond comprehension, there is no way it's life could ever be threatened by mortal children
Why not? I'd like to see the logical argument that links these two statements together. Stephen King is the author of the book, so he can tell his story the way he wants.
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That's more or less the opening plot of another King book, Desperation.
>6'5" chad cop gets possessed by a trans-dimensional being unearthed by mining
>Kills everyone in the small mining town
>Starts abducting people off the highway and locking them up in jail in order to use them as future hosts
>>her
This is 2017 you misogynistic shitlord, if the creature identifies as a female you will respect her choice!
>dozens of landwhales exit the kino exhibit to buy $30 sodas
Is It a complete pussy? Why doesn't he just chase them faster or use one of his magical powers?
>Oh no, the kids are riding away on a bike going 20 mph! Maturin help!
Because IT believes it can kill them at any point it wants. Time means almost nothing to IT so it's not in a hurry.
can somebody explain to me what the 'turtle' is?
I din't pick up any mentions of it in the film when I watched it yesterday
"See the TURTLE of Enormous Girth"
"On his shell he holds the Earth."
"His thought is slow, but always kind."
"He holds us all within his mind."
"On his back all vows are made;"
"He sees the truth but mayn't aid."
"He loves the land and loves the sea,"
"And even loves a child like me."
>her prey
Nice detail
I thought the inhaler was only really effective in the novel since It turned into a giant eyeball when it was sprayed. And then had its cornea kicked in.
It wasn't like in the miniseries where it actually starts melting the clown.
Cosmic being that created the universe by vomiting it out. It's fairly apathetic, but gives Bill advice on how to defeat Pennywise (retarded Ritual of Chud). It's dead in the second part of the book.
Chapter 2 better start off with the 2 fags at the carnival scene and the 1 fag getting eaten under the bridge jesus im hyped already
This movie is nothing but a haunted house ride with SPOOKY LOUD NOISES every 5 mins. Fuck why did i listen and spend my money on this drivel
Bev is a nasty ho with all sorts of diseases
Its basically the thing that makes their "I'm not afraid of you anymore" bullshit actually work.
That part actually creeped me out when I read it. The cops' dialogue was pretty good, too.
being not afraid imbues your attacks with turtle power, making them super effective against evil clowns
Is this webm real?
I can't find it but there is a clip from The Critic where Stephen King is in his publisher's office pitching a new book based on a plant located in the office. The publisher is unamused and points out he just came up with that but agrees to publish it anyway because it will make millions.