Hillary vs. Trump

Does Trump actually stand chance against Hillary in the debates, Sup Forums?

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Considering HRC lost all her debate skills in the last 8 years (note that Bernie effortlessly creamed her every time), yes.

>grizzled veteran of debate who crushed all his opponents in the gop vs grandma who only debated a crazy commie who basically agreed with everything she said

Hillary for the past year has worked in a perfectly controlled environment. Controlled rallies, controlled interviews, and even her only opponent didn't throw a single punch.

Jeb! was right about one thing, Donald Trump is the chaos candidate.

She has no chance.

Both of these

Trump has proven his mettle against multiple opponents and Hillary can't function outside of an echo chamber. Trump will destroy her if he gives a damn

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Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think of the moderators they chose? Pic somewhat related.

I fucking miss ¡Yeb!

I've been with Trump since the month he announced and i've enjoyed him. But to say that he won all those debates without a scratch is delutional. I remember a few times turning off the debates because he was getting majorly rattled.

The biggest time you can see this is one of the last debates, I think it was the 3rd to last or 2nd to last, where Rubio really tore some flesh. Trump got visibly rattled and annoyed with his prodding.

Anyone got a clip of the stuff I'm talking about? You can bet the Clinton team will be analyzing that clip meticulously

Anderson Cooper, while obviously a liberal, made a real effort to be non-partisan during the debates and overall were the best moderators. Even though that was between only Republicans, I hope he can continue this streak.

The others are complete shit.

Me too, man. If Trump makes America great again and we need some jackass to be a peacetime president and kiss babies, I hope he gets it in 2024.

Basically this, she has literally no chance in a direct confrontation.
What he's gonna do against Trump ? Call him names ? People have been hearing those for the past year and it turned out to be ineffective.
Trump on the other hand can literally pick among hundreds skeletons in Hilary's closet.

nahhh

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The sole consolation of a Trump loss would be you can expect Jeb's Great Return in 2020. He'll sure gosh darn take it to Hillary! Or Kain in the likely event that Hillary will be dead by then.

He'll be ready to do some spanking

>Hillary too frail to actually debate Trump

Nobody but the 59 paid Hillshills have anything to worry about, OP.

I know what you mean, but everyone knows that women can't bants. Especially not Hillary.

I really think the debates won't change a lot to be honest. They will be entertaining to watch, but I think most people have already decided who they will vote for. People who like Trump will not be wavered regardless of the outcome - if she gets anything over him it will be extremely obvious that the debates were very biased to her and this will just make people hate the establishment even more.

Nah, he probably wouldn't run then. There's a reason he didn't run in 2012, which is the incumbent rarely loses.

That's why Romney was literally who, and wasn't a strong candidate. Basically a fall man.

He will destroy her but the media will be like
>watch Hillary Clinton OWN that racist privledge scum

The amount of mental gymnastics that goes on here to convince themselves Trump has an advantage is astounding, seemingly forgetting that Hillary is incredibly experienced and has seen debates first hand at Bill's side. All the while also forgetting that Hillary will pretty much memorize nearly anything he can say because the man is a broken record. If he goes off on his usual temper tantrum, it will be predictable, if he plays by the rules and talks about the policies, Hillary will crush him just due to background experience from actually working in the field.

I'm not a CTR shill or whatever scapegoat you people conjure up, the facts are facts. He's stated he doesn't believe in practicing because it ruins the authenticity, so he's going in unprepared.

Honestly, he's going to use the debates as a vehicle for fucking up. He never wanted the position, he only wanted to get decently far to put himself on a pedestal to help him gain a foothold in business and raise his status.

>b-b-but why is he trying so hard to win

He's trying hard to make it look legitimate. If it came out that he was intentionally sabotaging his campaign he would probably get shot. The debates serve as a perfect vehicle for getting destroyed. Whether he's genuine or not, there's no way out of getting mauled.

ok CTR

Keep in mind she could not win even one debate against a socialist stooge who essentially agreed with everything she said.

>millions of people tuning in for the first time
>they see for themselves that the "Dangerous Donald" meme is not true, that he won't actually nuke the world on a whim
>see that Hillary can't go an hour without sharting her pants

Right, the socialist stooge in which the DNC was actively against, the socialist stooge in which she didn't really pay any attention until after most of the debates ended and he had a sliver of a chance.

More deluded grasping at straws, to be honest.

>Hillary is incredibly experienced

That is one way to call someone old and senile, i guess...

>Hillary lost every debate against Bernie!
>that proves she's good at debates

Talk about mental gymnastics.

Hillary's campaign has been one long establishment blowjob with basically next to zero effort from her part to win the primaries and everyone cheering for her.
Trump on the other side had to fight against his own electors, the media and every other candidate, and he won.
And you seriously believe Hillary is more "experienced" ? I would call you delusional but I think you might be affected by some mental disease.

I'm just worried that when it comes to it, Hilary will be like "as a woman..." Which will make the crowd go crazy and in turn all the media will say Trump got stumped or some shit like that

drumpf's going to get btfo

Hillary will not be ready for the Grandmaster of 5D chess.

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He always calls her "Crooked Hillary."

He'll give a damn. It will be amazing.

Spaghetti niggers may be extremely lazy and incompetent, but you guys do make good posts

People in the 1990's were actually uncomfortable with the connection she had with Bill during his presidency and how influential she appeared. She spent the 2000's in the political field, worked under the Obama administration, has already had a serious for the Democratic nomination in 2008 and is extremely accustomed to the media. What are you smoking?

>conveniently forgets the part where I say she didn't really give a shit

See above.

People have this misconception that media is hurting him when they also conveniently forget that a staggeringly low amount of people actually trust the media. Anything the media says is honestly helping him, proving that the media is out to get him. His entire campaign from the beginning has thrived on being against the establishment. All of his political rivals, the most competent ones that stood a chance, including Ted Cruz, embodied what the right wing voter base feared as the establishment. Any opposition simply helps him. From having a weak Democratic candidate, to weak Republican candidates, to the media helping him out (metric fuck ton of media exposure worth millions upon millions of dollars) and the fact the GOP portrayed the liberals as boogeymen for the past 4 years and he capitalized on that, every single thing is going right for him. The only thing he fucks up is when he makes a genuine blunder either because a) he's an actual moron or b) he's trying to keep the moderates from voting for him to lose intentionally.

Everything is working in his favor besides himself honestly.

Hillary is more experienced in the political game and has been since 1993, don't kid yourself. "Experience" doesn't include the past 14 months of media helping you out and working on momentum.

I think Hillary is hoping to Chinese Fingertrap Trump into saying some negative shit she can spin into muh sexisms or muh racisms and that might actually work.

I'd like to see atleast one where Trump just goes HAM on statistics and policy but i highly doubt it. Trump will probably do mediocre, but so will hillary, yet media will report she creams him every time and that's what dumb Americans will believe.

This is the future you chose.

Trump has been trying to get into politics since he started his career

>Hillary meant to lose the debates against Bernie!
>its because she STONE COLD DONT GIVE A FUGG :DDD

>haha i'll take what he said and put an accent mark in front of it and make it look silly that'll show him

See how stupid that looks? Fuck off, nigger.

Are you seriously implying the Media has been trying to help Trump?

I want more than anything for Trump to deliver a brutal and concise attack, but it'll likely just be two retards screaming at each other. I don't think he'll go in as hard as he needs to since he's been trying to tone down the bantz lately.

After what trump did to him? Yeb will never recover.

M8, he beat 16 candidates. Hillary couldn't even defeat a 74-year-old socialist without the DNC interfering.

>trying

No.

Inadvertently? Unintentionally? Easily. Are you denying he received millions of dollars worth of TV exposure in late 2015 due to his uncommon rhetoric? If the media did not cover him he would be long forgotten, just like his early 2000's campaign run. Don't kid yourself.

And the gold medal for mental gymnastics goes to... !

How is this not an argument FOR trump? Months of negative media attention, media attention that regularly destroys entire campaigns on a single gaffe, and hes come out on top.

I want more autism. No friends, turtles in the pockets, guac jokes. It was certainly a time to be alive.

They appear to be the result of intense negotiating between both campaigns. I say that unironically.

Holt is a Clinton fill. Cooper is too. Wallace is Trump's guy and Raddatz falls under Trump's persuasion even though she's effectively neutral. I'm glad to see her upgraded from the VP debate.

Elaine Quijano has no ties, but it'd be funny as all hell if Kaine attempted to use his Spanish-speaking skills as a bonus.

You're probably thinking of Tapper in the second debate. That nigga cut everyone off the second that bell rang.

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In Trump speak we call this "BILLIONS AND BILLIONS". Nothing personell, kid.

The American media is resolved on defeating Donald Trump in any way possible. While Hillary Clinton doesn't engage in press conferences outside of her purview, Trump would establish libel laws to scare the shit out of journalists. That's why they've taken to promoting a third party candidate (Gary Johnson), something not done since the days of Perot.

Every day you heard "trump did this" and "trump said that". Hardly any of the other candidates could get their message out because of how much you heard about it? I doubt many Americans knew half the candidates before they got on the debate stage and soon forgot them after they got off. Personally I think he wolnt release his tax returns because people keep talking about it. In his book he talks about how no coverage is bad coverage because of the amount of exposure you get. Guess we will find out for ourselves soon.

He ran third party, and not even a good one. That was all in all a practice run, toes in the water if you will. Getting shamed out of the the Republican nomination process when he didn't have time to formulate what he'd do would've been political suicide.

He's played it pretty smart, if we're being honest.

Holy fucking shit, I'm tired of repeating myself. Each candidate embodied the establishment, that's what right wingers are tired of, it's what Sup Forums is tired of. The GOP spent the past 4 years convincing the right that the liberals are full of boogeyman out to take your guns away, he comes in, capitalizes on that, screams a few words, gets the limelight. This has honestly been a perfect set up for him.

>Hillary couldn't even defeat a 74 year old socialist

Hillary didn't acknowledge Bernie for 95% of the campaign unless it was the debates. It was a none issue, the same reason Trump didn't attack Kasich. Bernie was an effortless defeat, and only worth her time when it looked like he could pull some delegates for her and the name calling on his part hurt her reputation later on.

Nice rebuttal, Luigi. Go back to your sandbox, kid.

More evidence the Aussie bro doesn't read my posts. The American distrust on both sides of the political spectrum regarding the media is at an all time low. Anything they report will be waved off as an attempt to smear Trump and convince people that Trump is against the establishment boogeyman. It only helps him. Are you saying that Trump HASN'T gotten a boost because he isn't establishment? Isn't that what his whole campaign is about? Isn't that what Sup Forums sees in this guy?

Bad press is better than no press. The coverage, bad or good, let's people know he exists. It was free advertising. It's a slightly comparable reason developers punt a shitty product to YouTube reviewers for free, because at even f the reviewer broadcasts it to million so viewers with a negative review, people know about it and have a SMALL chance at buying it instead of zero because they didn't know about it before.

See directly above.

That would explain why some nobody ran against Carter in 1980

No, I meant Cooper. He did it very well, and wasn't rude about it. Tapper was good as well, if not a little annoying.

>That's why they've taken to promoting a third party candidate (Gary Johnson), something not done since the days of Perot.

Good thing he's taking votes from Shillary by pandering to Bern-outs rather than any of the republican base.

Lol he wore you down
Maybe if you were as stone cold as crooked hillary about losing a debate you could have salvaged dignity

Yeah, bro, totally wore me down. Totally got the tenth of a calorie out of me.

Polls indicate that he pretty much draws equally from Trump and Clinton. The difference is negligent.

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>Incumbent rarely loses
>Rarely = Never
The only time an incumbent loses is when they're they're absolutely terrible. I'm a Georgian, and I love Carter as a person, seen him in person, but I'll tell you if the republicans didn't fuck up with Nixon, and Ford later by pardoning Nixon, there's no way in Hell carter would've been elected.

i hope trump wins more than anything

In the debates? Absolutely

In the actual election... Na, but dreams are free and maybe his run can stir the people up enough to reject hillarys eventual presidential bullshit

>The difference is negligent.

It's not that, its his focus.

Johnson is no longer the #NeverTrump choice, considering how far he's been distancing himself from the republican party.

Johnson now only really appeals to anyone who just wants to throw their vote away in protest.

Mwah, I think he was more annoyed at little Marco Ruboto at that debate to be honest, somebody who lost his own state shortly after is not a real competitor. He was more emotionally invested in Jeb and Cruz.

She couldn't even win without the superdelegates. Bernie got 43% of the votes even with all of the name recognition and media attention Hillary has.

Poor ¡Jeb!, he tried to fight his low energy branding with a new insult of his own but chaos candidate only made Trump more powerful.

With the moderators all being hill shills combined with the first 'debate' being little more than a press conference where each candidate gets asked questions secretly while the other is off stage no he has no chance.

separately wups

I was agreeing with you ;) but was this your post?

>Does Trump actually stand chance against Hillary in the debates, Sup Forums?

Yes.

Clinton will try to be calm and moderate and continue trying to paint Trump as unstable, racist and therefore dangerous. That might work for a while, maybe for the first debate even, but in the long run I believe that Trump (honest, not as slimy as a politician like Clinton) will be considered the winner.

Don't know how important and revelant these debates will be within a US-context but ... I do believe that Trump will be considered the winner.

It worked out in Trump's favor, as things always do. You see, Rubio is a polished politician that realized a polished politician would ALWAYS lose against Trump. But the caveat is that Rubio was only gaining traction from the people that didn't like Trump's brash methods. So Rubio was in a catch 22 and didn't realize it, because his only option was to fight fire with fire, thereby losing his support by doing so. So when Rubio started getting brash, he lost all support. In the same way, Jeb went down because he had no winning move. It was a question of either losing via conventional checkmate, or losing to a Queen's gambit. The water boy and Turtleman took the gambit bait, whereas the Zodiak killer and the sleepy wizard went down conventionally. Pankasich was just a kid watching the grownups play, insisting he knew the best moves until it was his turn, then was in denial about checkmate per ignorance of the rules. Fiorina did what any competitive girl her daddy told was smart would do and make an attempt, but resigned before she lost in humility.

Crooked Shillary will probably go down getting caught moving the pieces when nobody is looking. Either that, or she'll win by making up her own rules.

So when do these masterdebates start?

No, Trump had no chance of winning, you might at well just support her.

If he releases this video he will.
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The debates will be interesting.