>Smokers and obese people will be denied surgery on the NHS by cash-strapped hospitals trying to save money, senior health officials have warned.
>Luton Care Commissioning Group and East and North Hertfordshire also require a patient to have a BMI of 30 or lower in order to qualify for an operation. Others have reportedly refused surgery to smokers, requiring them to quit before operations can go ahead.
>be hard working tax paying Brit >forced to pay taxes to fund healthcare system >finally need it >denied this service which you have been forced to pay for all your life
You can't make this shit up
Adam Powell
Great, they should do this everywhere. Fuck obese people and smokers.
Michael Green
In Japan you get tax for being fat
Kayden Brooks
Lol, Muslims seem to be among the highest rates of smoking and obesity.
Jackson Nelson
They aren't telling you to stop smoking because theyre dicks.
Theyre telling you to stop smoking because it makes the chances of succesful surgery plummet
Chase Bailey
>be an obese smoker >expect sympathy from pol
Fuck em
Mason Mitchell
They should force people to pay into a system that they are barred from using?
There's nothing wrong with denying service to these people who have self inflicted these illnesses upon themselves but to expect them to pay into it while doing this is some kind of sick cruel joke.
Charles Gutierrez
and of course this will only apply to white men. fat women and ahmed will still get priority treatment
Easton Torres
*employers get taxed higher for hiring fat people
Henry Diaz
good, fucking fatties need to learn to control their intake and stop wasting my tax when they then need help for being a rotting pile of flab and flesh
Christopher Cruz
They suck up money that could be used somewhere else. Fuck em. They've got a reason to lose weight.
Cameron Richardson
if that was the reason they would have implemented this policy long before their socialist rationing gave out, wouldnt they?
> but but muh real socialism has been tried...
Gabriel Turner
so does this mean obese people and smokers don't have to pay into the NHS? sounds like a sweet deal, start smoking seems like a cheaper option.
Xavier Martinez
Just part of the privatisation scheme. Fat and smokers have to go private. Next sports injures, cycling and stds.
Carson Bennett
so waste time and money on surgeries for people that are more liable to die from complications?
and many times when told to change their diet, or stop smoking to help the doctors help them, they don't
Henry Ward
>OMG THIS IS LITERALLY HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE THOSE POOR SMOKERS AND FATASSES Nobody cared about smokers until this happened.
Lincoln Kelly
maybe then smokers and fat fuck should stop paying taxes
Camden Edwards
Good. Now people wont spoke or eat likr pigs.
Ryder Robinson
>The State encourages "fat acceptance" rather than physical fitness in schools >The Dates refuses to accept responsibility for it and to pay for their own lax social standards
Can we please kick the liberals out now?
Wyatt Harris
Exactly. We're reaching end stage socialism soon, rationing has begun
Justin Peterson
>socialism Social democracy
Joseph Reyes
You mean >be tax payer like everyone else >but cost way more in healthcare because you can't control your hunger
Henry Diaz
They should be penalized, but not denied care.
Asher Garcia
If they are a higher risk and you do not wish to treat them will you give them the option of simply not paying the taxes that go toward the NHS? Will you instead allow them to pay for their own healthcare privately?
Alexander Lopez
>if that was the reason they would have implemented this policy long before their socialist rationing gave out, wouldnt they?
Honestly, they should have. There is very little point in costly invasive surgery if you tarring your lungs with coffin nails at the same time
Jose Wood
Fuck the fat. Fuck smokers. Literally the future you chose.
Wyatt Wilson
I only care because people shouldn't pay into shit they can't use.
Levi Russell
>people think this was how Soviet Russia happened
Anthony Taylor
This 100%
Brayden Roberts
>implying this is not good news
Those who poison their body do not deserve the help of society.
This is a nationalist move, one that aims to increase British stock.
I fully support it.
I also want to see obese children have their lunch hour taken away, where they will be forced to do intense cardio and subsist on salad until they reach a normal healthy weight.
Landon Bailey
I meant to say 'The State' In line 2:/
Hudson Fisher
So literally evolution.
A way to stomp out degenerates that make poor life decisions in one generation.
Logan Butler
this
exactly, we're reaching end stage communism soon, gulags have begun
Kayden Rodriguez
why not junkies and alcoholics too?
Carter Barnes
ban smokers who pay 80% of the value of a packet of ciggs to fund the NHS you mean ban fat people who just eat. but let so many sand niggers and africans with bongo umbungo virus, AIDS, TB etc etc as that certainly isnt a drain.
Fuck it get rid of the NHS. let it die. Im pissed off that the liberals and unemployed get a good service but those that like to live the life are targeted.
Parker Ortiz
I think that's reasonable. But the obese and smokers be exempted from the tax they would be paying for the NHS, if they aren't entitled to use. Also, why are there so many fat nurses?
Asher Flores
But they can use the system
after they stop smoking and lose weight.
Michael Moore
>be a fat slob that smokes >be a very risky operation and the doctor get sued if your shitty broken body can't be saved >doctor refuses to play fat russian roulette >somehow bad
I'm a doctor and i fully endorse the fact that a surgeon should be able to refuse to work on such a unhealty individual, on the grounds that if he works perfectly the fat slob can die of his own fat going haywire (fat embolism) or because he smoked so much his pressure and other vitals are all messed up.
Get healty you pieces of shit.
Logan Rodriguez
Sell arms to saudi arabia? Only private companies do that and he approves because otherwise they'd take thwir buisness elsewhere. Got to keep jobs in canada. Saudi women can deal with their own problems.
Austin Williams
how is this a bad thing exactly?
Sebastian Fisher
Because our society is obsessed now with promoting weakness, promoting unhealthy lifestyles and so on.
In Japan and Korea they shame people in the streets for being fat.
Here we promote gluttony.
Ian Fisher
This wasn't how the USSR began. Read a history book.
John Garcia
So ,people who are destroying their health on regular basis, by choice, cant use health care. Thats fair.
Sebastian Russell
I would be fine with socialist healthcare in the US if it meant smoker idiots and fatties can't have any.
Grayson Stewart
gluttony is not a sin if you dont believe in religion
David Morgan
I wouldnt go to Japan because the japanese are scum bags. If I see a jap I pull my eyes wide and shout Tsunami lets waddle away
Elijah Wood
>North Hertfordshire also require a patient to have a BMI of 30 or lower in order to qualify for an operation. BMI ? bowel movement index? whos shitting more than 30 times in a day?
Asher King
NOICE, funny to see free health care turn into the whole death panel thing
Henry Evans
Good idea, but BMI is a bullshit measure. I'm near 30 BMI but it's muscle from lifting. I work out four days a week.
Tyler Allen
there are so many fucking edgy and retarded kids ITT
under no circumstances should people be forced to pay for healthcare and then not be allowed to use it if you are going to deny them service then they should also get tax cuts so they can pay for their own healthcare
Bentley Peterson
I'd support this, but only if muslims and niggers are banned as well. We all know either is a shitty lifestyle choice that leads to many health complications.
Mason Young
Sin is just another word for something immoral. People without religion still have morals user.
Wyatt Reed
I can assure you that smoking saves the state more money than it costs >extra taxes >earlier death >taking less pensions
Jaxson White
what I don't get is if your kid is malnourished you get in prosecuted, so why not if your kid is obese?
it's still child abuse and the parents job to feed them healthily
John James
Alright, well give me a fucking rebate on all the tax I've been paying on cigerettes and national insurance all my life then. Considering that 20 cigarettes on average cost over £10 when their real value with VAT is only £4, that's a lot of fucking money mate, we're taking about £15000. That could cover me for BUPA for about 20 years.
Jeremiah Allen
It's weird as cigarettes are taxed high, so they already paid more taxes compared to non smokers. Might as well deny treatment to motorcyclists for being in an accident, they were talking the chance, so it's their problem. Why even have free health care? Just don't get sick...
Jack Sanchez
So ext time I go to casualty all the fat arsed smoking immigrants will be cleared out and told to fuck off?
Nope..
Alexander Ortiz
idk what all of the fuss is about, whoever made this decision deserves a medal
Ian Phillips
Really makes you think
Easton Wilson
>liberals still think national healthcare is an efficient or good idea My family can afford insurance, I don't my money going to lazy illegals.
Jacob Miller
>be Amerifat >buy insurance >get instant top-quality care whenever needed Whos laughing now Bongistan?
Kevin Long
This this this.
I don't care much for the yellow people either but they have good views on stopping degeneracy such as obesity.
Caleb Stewart
do you not have humor in usa
Austin Bell
The point is that he should disavow this feminist bullshit not stop selling arms to Saudis.
Can't have it both ways. Saudi women are also women.
Jose Parker
Engaging in detructive behaviour is weeding out the weak, while caring for your health and being safe all your life makes everyone survive and breed degeneracy. >2016 >doesnt understand evolution
Jacob Gomez
Dont seem to get why gluttony is seen as a sin whether religious connotations or atheistic.
My point is this IF they no longer receive NHS help and no longer a drain does that mean you no longer feel any anger towards them.
Ian Thompson
does Japan even have a problem with obesity?
Nathan Parker
This. After you get over the kneejerk reaction of lol fat people you realise that people are being forced to pay into a system which then rejects them. These people could be net contributors to the system and pay many fold in tax to the NHS than they require but still be refused treatment. The principle is what is wrong with this. People made to pay for something they cannot access.
Nathaniel Moore
Yeah but they have subjective morals, meaning they may not consider gluttony a sin.
Ryan Robinson
Smokers pay for their burden on the health system several times over from the ridiculous taxes they pay for their smokes. It doesnt matter to the people in this thread though, if people pay the cost of something and are still denied its seen as good somehow
Easton Jones
based.
Thomas Cooper
Many of our countrymen can't afford health insurance.
Oliver Davis
>This this this. >implying its moral to rob people you dont like simply because you dont agree with their life style
you are an absolute idiot just goes to show how fucking not moral you edgy atheist fucks are go back to banana boys youtube channel
Julian Scott
This is the natural evolution of it. Soon accidents from skydiving, bike riders, skateboarders who get injured will be told to pay it themselves as they knew the risks. Its why giving healthcare to all over a wide blanket is such an issue, the individual varies so much from their genetics which could have them drop dead tomorrow to their lifestyle choices.
Connor Fisher
I didn't mention smokers. They already have price hikes on fags here. Scottish government would ban it the moment it doesn't make them money.
Ryder Davis
Sport injuries shouldn't be sent to private hospitals desu. A sport injury is the result of something positive (sport is good for health) whereas being a fatass or a smoker is the result of something negative (being lazy and having no willpower). If anything banning sport injuries from public hospitals would incite people to stop doing sports.
Cooper Cook
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Jonathan Garcia
sports are a poor lifestyle choice just like smoking, because they incur injuries that the state has to waste money on fixing.
Joseph Ross
Sport is healthy when you listen to your body, when you overdo it it's an attack on the body. So no sport injuries should be banned for the same principle.
Owen Gomez
Detected the fatty
Wyatt Moore
>BMI of 30
>tfw /fit/ >Tfw BMI is over 30 hmm
Elijah Young
>stop smoking because it makes the chances of succesful surgery plummet
Anti-smoking Judaeism. This is "salt raises blood pressure for 5 mins = increased blood pressure from heart disease" tier thinking. Smokers tend to be poorer statistically, and statistical trends are the only evidence to support this nonsense.
Jace Hall
Crazy, whacked out, INSANE idea here guys. Ready for this FUCKING EXTREME FRINGE IDEALOGICAL IDEA guys? Ready?
How about....hear me out here guys....
How about...instead of everyone splitting the bill.....
We pay for what we use. So that way, if someone chooses to smoke they contribute more because they are more likely to get cancer.
Brandon Murphy
>be teenager >give in to pressure and start smoking >become adult >work my ass off and pay my taxes >can't stop smoking because nicotine is highly addictive >finally get sick, maybe not even because of the smoking >nuh uh, you've paid taxes all your life and a shit ton more on smoking but you're not gonna get surgery Nigga smokers already pay the country taxes with every pack they buy. I struggle to see anyone who had to quit just shrug it off and say it's easy as fuck
Juan Diaz
Smokers already pay insane taxes on tobacco production.
Smokers pay for medicine and other shit more than everybody else. They pay so much they should get priority five star class medical attention from their tobacco tax money.
Owen Rogers
>car tax raised Well, I can circumvent this by selling my car and therefore no longer having to pay it. >NHS denies smokers Well, I can circumvent this by stopping smoking and therefore being eligible.
Not rocket science
Jose Cox
>pick and choose who's worthy of Healthcare
Although I agree that fat people and smokers, who willingly abuse their body, should be subjected to some sort of reprocessing, they still pay taxes for your health care and shouldn't be denied what their money is paying for simply because others don't like it
If anything, charge them more money for the increased care and risk they put on themselves
Carson Clark
So these people no longer need to pay for national insurance tax, right? Since they're no longer insured. Are smokers denied surgery for operations that aren't even related to smoking?
Gabriel Torres
I find this post hilariously ironic since the vast majority on Sup Forums are, at the very least, fat and, in more than a few cases, obese with all having very unhealthy life habits from smoking and drinking to serious hard-drug abuse.
OP is either a troll or this is serious bait or they're just retarded. I really can't decide which.
>In any case one thing always stands: OP is a faggot!
Andrew Nguyen
How about traditional wrestlers?
Charles Butler
This is what state run services are all about. More like "White Australians will die while we pay for abbos and Sudanese niggers."
Brody Perez
I'd say more people on Sup Forums are underweight than overweight.
Zachary Roberts
Good. Fat fucks are a massive strain on our services, we shouldn't have to pay for them to continue their crappy lifestyle.
Kayden Thompson
>being forced to pay for something you can't use >this is okay >le finish communist face
Elijah Torres
Where do you draw the line? Broken ankle from soccer ok. Extreme sports injury? Sports that are extremely risky and provide no health benefit?
Nolan Williams
>force smokers to pay for the public jewcare >ban smokers from using public jewcare thats theft fampai
Gavin Green
Fuck yes, we need this here.
Colton Jones
You CAN use it nigger
Xavier Baker
>shouldn't be denied what their money is paying for simply because others don't like it
Thats not the reason
Reason is it would be literally wasted on them
Elijah Gonzalez
I`m fit and just quit smoking so yes I couldn't agree more.