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Daily reminder Sup Forums CANNOT refute this

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Sure, just put the tax man in the third panel.

B-but muh free market...

>give me your money or I'll blow your brains out

>this is the medicine you need to buy to live sir

WOW SO SIMILAR

idk I found this old dutch ss video
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>full length guide rod

John Moses Browning would be pissed.

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wtf i love pharma now

This.

Not to mention the latter requires a ton of research (time) and resources to produce and ensure (to the best degree possible, highly reliant on time) it's safety and efficacy. One is an equal trade, not forced. The other is forced.

PAY UP OR YOU'LL STARVE.

>Robber is white

Really made me think.

Food, water, and shelter are basic human RIGHTS. The state should provide these for us.

Legal theft to have to pay for water to keep myself hydrated to keep working to buy food to have energy to work to pay the bills.

When will you guys realize socialism is the true red pill?

>white mugger

makes ZERO sense mate, doesn't even warrant a real response.....

daily reminder if you think like this your iq is below 95

Funny, I don't see this anywhere in the Constitution.

don't like buying food? grow it, raise animals, shoot a fucking animal
don't like buying water? get a bucket, find a stream, scoop some up, boil it, drink up friend
fuck off commie

You want these rights so badly then go to prison.

Funny, I'm looking and I don't see it in the...

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Rules of nature.

I do agree, medical care is one of the only things capitalism shouldn't be involved with. You have a choice about buying a car, or a coffee, or a house. You don't have a choice between healthy and sick or dead.

>rules

Are they arguing for slavery?

>Food, water, and shelter are basic human RIGHTS.
Can't seem to find that written down anywhere.

>The state should provide these for us.
No the state exists to provide the rights we've agreed to. Since I don't think we've ever decided any of those things are a right, then the state should absolutely fuck right off if it thinks it should provide them.

Case 1. I point a gun at you and demand your money.

Case 2. You have a horrible medical condition and will die soon. I developed a medicine that will keep you alive. I expect you to pay for it.

Yeah, user, totally the same. I'm just like, so woke now.

Who's going to pay for the research? Who's going to ensure it's safety to the greatest degree possible? Who is going to secure the resources and equipment necessary to produce medication? Who is going to pay for all of it? More importantly, who do you think is going to do it for free?

No one. Nothing is free. Someone ends up paying for it.

"free healthcare"

Pay your taxes so morbidly obese opiate addicts can have their "free" healthcare or you die.

>Did you pay your taxes?
No.
>Do you want to go to the dungeon then?
No.
>Then die.

And commies are no better than the guy on the left. The guy on the right made or at least is providing a service, communists and the left hold guns demanding something for nothing.

>what is research and development

do you think science is free or something, do you think that all the work of thousands of people and the industry required to produce those medications comes from fucking magic

fucking socialists are so stupid

>You don't have a choice between healthy and sick or dead

Well, unless you're a drug user, a fatass or whatever.

>"I want society to keep me on life support!!!"

The only thing I'll spare is one bullet to your brain.

>all medicine should be, like, freeee maaaaaannnn

>how will you pay for development of the few trial drugs that can go to market?

>uhhh CEO's are evil bro and shit

Yes but it can be regulated so that a drug company can't charge any absurd amount for their medication.

Who's supposed to pay for drug development and entice investors to invest in new drugs, then?

If you think this is a problem, then start a "charity" that buys patents to drugs and manufactures them at a loss.

So if I create a cure for cancer, I'm obligated to manufacture it and distribute it across the globe at my own expense so that I don't get compared to a criminal?

Nothing in life is free, deal with it.

So medical scientists should be government slaves? That's some DPRK level shit there.

>All drugs should be free!
How will we pay for new research then?
>The government should fund it!
But that means our taxes have to go up.
>Just tax the rich then!
But the rich are the people who are already supporting research the most.

>False equivalency
It refutes itself.

It would be reasonable to charge more for medication related to self inflicted illness like those. It would be reasonable to tax fat, unhealthy people more than others to account for increased medical cost.

>give me your taxes or you'll die

If God wanted someone to provide free health care: healing the blind, healing the lepers and healing the mentally ill and dead, He would have sent someone 2000 years ago to do it.

It's their product, they can charge whatever they want for it. Unless you plan to be a fascist dictator. I'll spare you the smug anime girl this time.

They don't. The cost of a drug is directly related to the initial R&D costs, the cost of manufacturing the drug, the cost of ingredients, and the cost of R&D of new drugs, among other things.

One of your new drugs you've been working on for 7 years just failed during the clinical trials step? The cost of your existing drugs is going to increase to make up those lost hundreds of millions of dollars. FDA just passed new manufacturing regulations? The cost of your existing drugs is going to increase to pay for the new equipment and manufacturing research. Raw material costs just went up? The cost of the drugs using them is going to go up.

That is discrimination. You play a dangerous game. Please think for once. Nothing is that simple.

better?

>That is discrimination.
>My actions shouldn't have consequences.

hahahahahahaahahha Your so ignorant you dumb nigger.

Your so stupid its funny AHAHAHAHAHA.

They dont do any investments in new drugs. What they do is buy the patent and then jack the price up. They use Jew tactics. I hope this is a learning opportunity for you

>we may or may not be sure about the diagnosis in the first place, but this is the hot new replacement for the medicine that had been successfully prescribed for years, we promise it won't vioxx your ass, really!

Actions do have consequences. It is still discrimination. Last time I checked, being fat is not a crime. Nor is being unhealthy in general. Now you're a fascist dictator again. Again, please think for once.

Yeah. People should maybe think to look at net profits; in 2015, Johnson and Johnson had the highest margin in the industry at 16.3%, and one of only 3 of the top ten to break 10%.

So you could lower your 'exorbitant' drug costs by at most about ten cents on the dollar before you can have government-run pharmaceuticals. And you just KNOW nothing would go wrong with that.

moving those goalposts like a true Canadian.

Stay BTFO.

Pharma didn't give you the disease. Diseases are intrinsic to living beings so pharma is not obliged to make a medicine and give it to you for free.

>They dont do any investments in new drugs.
>Your

Please be bait.

This is more of a systemic problem in healthcare; in neither the U.S. System or the European model is their any market force incentivizing lower costs.

this

You have a right to acquire food water and shelter. You dont have a right to demand these given to you as a service. Services are not rights.

You are an idiot.

The guy with the medicine doesn't give them the illness.

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put me in the oven you grammar nazi.

O RLY?

>mfw these shills all think Pharma can only make a profit off of research if they upcharge by 7000%

>>mfw these shills all think Pharma can only make a profit off of research if they upcharge by 7000%

So you'd be happy if they only upcharged by 6990% to break even?

>strawman them because I can't possibly argue against them

It is their product. They can charge whatever the fuck they want for it. Supply and demand my friend, combine that with exclusivity, and you can charge a pretty penny. Not to mention health insurance, I have not had to pay a single penny out of pocket for my care.

>implying the government is not heavily involved in pharmaceutical companies.
Look at epipen in the US. The government sets the bar of entry so high that only one company can have a monopoly.

I don't think you understand the word upcharge friend

TIME TO INCARCERATE GROCERY STORE MANAGERS BECAUSE YOU NEED FOOD TO LIVE.

But I'm certifiably not a true Canadian.

They ARE both criminals. #2 rigs studies, an art which they've started really getting the hang of by now, which makes the new drugs generally less safe than the old ones, and is exactly what makes them so cocky about promising to help you live longer. On top of the standard insider training.

>we charge extra for a specially rendered service

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WTF

>doesn't know about patent law
>still smug

Not at all. Didn't say a word about pharma or whether or not they can make a profit at a given margin or even what an appropriate margin would be. Only responded directly to what was posted. Apparently you cannot refute so you dodge and change subjects.

>this is the medicine you need to buy to live sir
>this is the medicine that costs us pennies to manifacture yet we're selling it to you for 30$ a pill because hey why the fuck not

But why does the free market have to apply to medicine?

Surely it isn't too ridiculous to say that pharma companies can set their prices within a reasonable bounds right?

If not, redpill me on it, because I'm honestly confused where the problem is here

>don't like buying food? grow it, raise animals, shoot a fucking animal

On what land you fucking retard?

Almost all land is privately or state owned, you can't just walk up into a state park and start farming on that land you fucking tard.

Arable land and space to raise animals cost money. You can't legally survive in a modern western country without you or someone spending fiat money for you.

lmao you got me man outlogic'd ((2016*2)/2016)*1008

>If not, redpill me on it, because I'm honestly confused where the problem is here

Think of it like this; they're arguing that all software should be free, because it is very cheap to manufacture new copies of a computer program.

Does that help?

>reasonable

Read the first two sentences of the post you responded to. After that, read the following sentence.

The people who invest into the fucking pills development didnt give fucking hundreds of thousand sin order to receive pennies back you moron.

Need money? Get a job. Buy soil, make some planting boxes. Get a hunting permit, store it. It's not that hard.

>You had better give me your money or I will murder you.
>Oh hey we spent millions of dollars and several years developing a medication that we can show might be able to cure or at least treat your horrible illness, if you compensate us for the hard work we'll happily give you some so your quality of life can be improved.
In the vast majority of cases nobody is forcing you to take medication, niche cases mainly being made up of people who are too sick or injured to make a conscious choice for themselves.
No they aren't, and no it shouldn't. The state should only exist to maintain and environment in which you can reliably obtain these thing for yourself by earning currency based on your merits or by producing these basic necessities yourself.
>Muh having to earn my keep is theft.
Nah.
>When will you realize that socialism is the true red pill?
When it shows that it can actually work without collapsing the country. We already spend almost as much money on welfare as we do on the military and only a small portion of the country exists on it. What in the world makes you think that with the current system we could do this for every individual?

Don't like it? How about you spend millions of dollars on research to make your own pills then?

The man with the pills has a lot of shareholders behind him who profit from abusively high drug prices. It's the benefit of the many over the benefit of the individual patient - perfectly communist, Democrats should like.

>Get a job.

There's not enough jobs for everyone, I can't even get hired at the lowest most menial jobs in society like McDonalds, and regardless these jobs pay so little that I can't even afford to buy land and living expenses required to work the job and farm, in particular the method of farming you are suggesting would be more expensive than just buying food.

Why can't you just admit you're a fucking moron that actually thinks retarded shit like "why don't homeless people just farm their own food?"

Because you're so fucking stupid you don't realize that all land is privately owned or owned by the state, and you can't just go farm on it.

evil capitalism
providing food and medicine for us to easily obtain
but making us have to do stuff to obtain it

why can't it just be like, free bro lol

I hope you're looking forward to the free helicopter rides you'll be getting soon.

>Your money or your life
I'll give you nothing but cold steel, scum.

No. It cost me less than $100 to build several planting boxes, the soil was the most expensive, seeds cost very little. You don't need land to grow plants, dummy. Gosh, can't even get hired at McDonalds? Are you a fucking felon? That is sad, please refrain from calling other people retarded when you can't even get a job at McDicks.

>what is compulsory health insurance
I don't think the right picture shows a criminal.

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those are some a-ok dubs in my book, chief

Here's what lefty never understands:
It is not possible in the US to maintain a monopoly on any pharmaceuticals for long. Patents are generally about 20 years and the clock starts ticking long before the FDA allows the sale of the treatment.
By the time the FDA is ready, sometimes ten years have passed, leaving another ten to recoup the investment in R&D and make enough money to be able to fund R&D for new medicines and then some for actual profit (Apple has a higher profit margin than Pfizer btw) before generic versions hit the market.

And now your moment of strawman:
The same people who argue against drug companies charging money for their products are also likely to insist that it is economic incentives that prevent diseases from being cured... in short, idiots.

>tfw type 1 diabetic and reliant on the insulin Jew

And you don't even come close to farming enough food to live on.

Growing tomatoes and peppers in your cute garden is not an effective method for farming to live.

Americans such a shit country. Soros needs to fund more lefty movements so we lol it more

This may surprise you, leaf, but it didn't cost pennies to R&D that shit.

>what is seasonal planting

I do fine, buddy. The best part is that it is essentially free, aside from the first major investment. Which is not very much, at all. That is also why you go hunting and preserve your meat. Do I still need to go and buy certain shit like milk and eggs? Yes. Anything special that I want and can't produce myself? Yes. But I save a ton of money. I actually grow more tomatoes in particular than I can eat, and since they are so delicious my neighbors insist they pay for them, even though I offer them for free. Obviously it's not much, but more than enough to pay for the new seeds. It's not that hard, bro. Seriously, learn to take care of yourself, be a man.

My mother was on 12 different meds so I started opening her capsules and pouring out 1/10th then 1/4 then 1/3 etc. until after about 1.5 years of weening her, the capsules she was taking were empty. After a while i had her switch doctors "All your levels are normal, who prescribed these to you?" She used to be fat and depressed, now shes healthy and happy.

this would be a compelling argument if pharm companies didn't spend 2-5 times as much on advertisement as they do on RnD

mostly in the like two countries on planet earth stupid enough to let pharm companies engage in DTC advertisement

>So, uh, guys. We spent a ton of money developing this product. How do we sell it to recoup costs?
>Don't advertise it at all!
>Brilliant!

Pharmaceutical industry is cancer, but you need to be stupid to dont know the difference

If the drug was good it wouldn't be needed marketing. The marketing would be done by the medical community itself.

But we all know they spend money on marketing their bullshit analgesic or "revolutionary" viagra pill.

>Human rights
No such thing.

In nature If you're too weak to get your own food you'll die.

>Pharmaceutical Company: We heard that PharmCorp upped the price of their generic product by 5000%. We'd like to produce a similar medicine that will sell for much cheaper, is that okay?

>FDA: DUDE
BUREAUCRACY
LMAO