Can anyone debate this? The NatSocs in /nsg/ just called the poster a Jew and refused to debate it

Can anyone debate this? The NatSocs in /nsg/ just called the poster a Jew and refused to debate it.

Is it impossible to make National Socialism work for an extended period of time?

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GOD FUCKING DAMMIT, SOCIALISM NEVER FUCKING WORKS! LOOK AT THE USSR! OH WAIT, IT DOESN'T EXIST! LOOK AT NORTH KOREA! THEY ARE ON THE BRINK OF COLLAPSE!

Also, all they do in NatSoc/Fascist gens is shitpost and spout stormcuck memes. You really shouldn't expect them to make a good arguement against capitalism besides "JEW XDDDD." Stay cap, my brother.

It works if you have a homogenous population base. There are certainly different degrees of socialism to be had. The whole point of Nat Soc is to homogenize the population base forcibly so everyone left hypothetically shares the same interests.

Socialism only works when the group is homogeneous. See: the family unit. That is why national socialism is the only form of socialism that will work.

1. Oswald Mosely is wrong, he is no authority on the difference between Fascism and Nat Soc
2. The "Bubble economy" theory was never proven
3. Mises- literally a Jewish an-cap
4. The rest is arguments regarding definition and semantics without any hard data

Its pretty garbage m8

All you've said here was "jew"
>not an argument

Did you even read the chart?

Getting this triggered.

Go back to r/cuckhold

Nice response. It's good to have some discussion. Was there actually a Bubble Economy though or is it bullshit?

Yes, unemployment being managed by the state doesn't increase inflation, an increase in price of goods and services to the value of money does. If anything it decreases inflation but can cause wage stagnation. Fucking amateur graph isn't worth my time, the nazis were accused of many things but causing inflation wasn't one of them. Take this shit to /biz/ and get laughed at.

>calls me a redditfag because I am not a bootlicking socialist cuck

Nice projection

>it's another anacap think's he is superior than everyone episode

If everyone is homogeneous can't the people still differ in goals or interests?

Can't a pure, Aryan nation breed the occasional an-cap, Maoist or anarchist? Won't certain areas "evolve" culturally in a different way (e.g. rural culture vs. urban culture) eventually promoting differences?

Can you prove how diversity had destroyed a socialist nation and how homogeneity has secured a socialist nation's success for a long time?

>overproduction of farming goods caused the great depression
lel
>lowering the cost of goods due to overproduction hurt the Nazi economy!
>the Nazi economy was experiencing inflation!

Two contradicting statements desu

>national socialism, capitalism, and communism are 3 sides of the same Jewish dreidel

1: NS's 25 points do not give the complete picture. There was a flurry of privatization in Germany when the nazis were in power, demonstrating the point that the idea was to set a certain standard of care for the nation in economic activity and more or less let the people run it themselves.

There was, however, social welfare and copious worker-related regulation, as your pic notes.

2: Not only is Mosely not an NS authority, but his idea of fascism as pursuing the best system for an individual country means that since he figured that NS was right for Germany, he would call it the same movement as fascism. As such, Mosely's statement is not useful here.

3: If you're going to say that NS is flawed because it's socialist, you have to tell us why socialism in its various degrees is flawed. Otherwise the very start of the tree, and therefore the whole thing, is useless.

>tfw when libertarian leaning
>tfw nationalist

These aren't bad feels.

I'm not an ancap, every form of anarchism is stupid. I am mincap. Close though.

Still, how is shitty jewish marxism better than C A P I T A L I S M ?

>national socialist
>jewish

What next commie you going to tell me that water is dry?

>every form of anarchism is stupid
>I'm a mini anarchist

Wew lad

What the fuck is mincap?

>implying capitalism isn't jewish

>excess cost to the state dosen't cause debt or money to be issued
>these don't cause inflation

NatSocs confirmed retarded

autism

H8 to tell u m8 but Jews run all systems and ideologies. Natsoc is no exception

Minarchism is a libertarian political philosophy which advocates for a particular variety of minimal state that acts only to enforce a universal framework of natural and legal rights essential to the functioning of a free marketplace in economy and culture, and operating through a limited government societally managed according to democratic or republican principles. Such a state could also be called a minarchy. It is distinct from anarcho-capitalism, in which a de jure state would hypothetically not exist and so the conditions of capitalism or laissez-faire would not be centrally enforced.

Not anarchism, Eugene.

If the payment rendered for services or goods equates to the value of services provided OR LESS than no.

>NatSoc is flawed because it is socialist
How is that even an argument to begin with?

What is wrong with it being socialist? Can you point out anything specific that doesn't work?
Why could national socialism work without or around the parts that failed?

Your chart is, from the start, a long-winded fallacy, and I suspect that you're being entirely disingenuous in your statements that nobody anywhere else was ever able to argue with you and just called you a jew.

Gee it's almost like nazi's were stupid cuckolds

That's crony capitalism combined with socialism, not capitalism

>jewish people run a currently dead government system that want's their asses out of there.

Are you acting retarded on purpose or does it just come naturally to you?

America fucked that NatSoc shit up real good.

Killed their men, took their women, indoctrinated their children.

Broke their country in two, and then reunited it.

Did whatever we wanted to that beta-cuck political philosophy.

>B-b-b-b-b-but JEEEEEWWWWSSSS!!!!!

lol

nationalism = you take care of your country
socialism = you take care of your citizenry

I know what it is

You specifically wrote mincap to try and deceive because the line before you said all anarchism is dumb but also said you believe in an ideology that is derived from the word anarchism

Gary

Go back to >>>/leftypol/ where you belong you degenerate commie pedo scum

>the perfect infallible form of capitalism has never been tried

Minarchism

Yeah, I meant minarch, not mincap. Sorry, I'm tired and typing on phone

It sounds retarded

Go to the current /nsg/ and see for yourself.

>I wonder who can be behind this post?

You're right goy, keep posting those nazi memes instead of replenishing the white race

How do the Armed forces make money without war?

What do you do when there are no more roads to build?

What is over production of goods?

This is all in the chart, you're just being lazy

It has been tried, and it works, fag. What doesn't work, is crony capitalism, which is tbqfh jewish as fuck.

not an argument is not a victory.

>its a national socialism is real socialism episode

National Socialism was not socialistic it simply demanded that the gross output of a nation benefit the volk first and investers second. It demanded the glory of the nation and the death of the state.

Socialism isn't inherently bad. It's rife with potential for abuse, as is capitalism.

Nazi literally means National Socialist. Yes, it's socialism. But it's a school of socialist thought that was actually effective when applied.

You mean the capitalism that turned into crony capitalism worked?
I thought crony capitalism was bad?

Not to mention, I could also say

>my perfect form of national socialism has never ever been tried

Checkmate, bootworshiper

>Natsco and Fascism in my view are the same movement
Well that's good for you Mosley but that is not an argument

>How do the Armed forces make money without war?
You're talking to an American m8, national interests abroad, defending economic interests, investment in technology etc.
>What do you do when there are no more roads to build?
Roads require continuous maintenance, as well as meeting the demands for increasing populations.
>What is over production of goods?
Deflation actually
>This is all in the chart, you're just being lazy
The chart is lazy enough already, and nonsensical in areas.

>Modern corporatism/capitalism
Our decaying, overgrown forest.

>National Socialism
The cleansing fire.

>Libertarianism
The new saplings.


We can't just go from where we are now to our new "Freedom Forest"....the foundations are rotten and must be cleansed.

>Try: Eliminating Welfare
=left wing death squads
=massive minority riots
="muh NAP" is not effective

>Try: Deregulating ALL the things
= (((business cartels))) collude to destroy any competitors
= never-ending strategic monetary manipulations

>Try National Socialism
=Victory

Fellow Lolbertarians.... it's time to wake up and smell the Zyklon B.
>Once the invaders are gone and prosperity has returned... national socialism will no longer be necessary.
>It's the only way.

I'm not arguing for national socialism

You didn't answer the beginning (and the real meat) of his post and have yet to address

An American who isn't a fucking traitor.

You're a disgrace to that flag. I'd say you're a disgrace to your father, but he's probably a faggot traitor too.

I like most of this alt-right shit, but the glorification of America's enemies is straight out degeneracy and literal cuckoldry.

>talk economics
>muh homogeneity

That's not a good argument, look at all the shit socialist homogeneous countries.

Flaws in OP's pic:
>German economic miracle was a bubble/bubble would have popped
Can't say this with any certainty.
>overproduction is badong
Nope.
Argument refuted.

Homogenous White.
>shit socialist homogeneous countries
All brown.

Natsoc is not socialism. It doesn't advocate for the workers to control the means of production. In practical terms it's literal different from the welfare capitalism currently practiced in western europe.

I don't get it, can't production be sold or traded outside of the NS country?

Worked real effectively! Got their assholes all nice an puckered up for that big ol' American dick!

Capitalism turned into crony capitalism because we allowed big money into politics. In turn, that allowed people like Soros puppet a lot of our politicians, and soon was born,

>CRONY CAPITALIST AMERICA

As long as we do something about rich ass jews funding their best goys, capitalism won't turn into crony capitalism.

>Tell him natsoc is flawed because it is socialist
Lost me there. Socialism isn't flawed in itself, unlike theories such as communism and ancap.

all nonsense,

you didn't answer how paying several million extra private soldiers wouldn't cost the givt money

you ignored the fact that it takes far more to build a road than to maintain it

you dismiss overproduction as if farmers who cant afford to eat is acceptable

Name a diverse "socialist" (communist) nation.

Exactly. How can overproduction not be real when foreign markets are real?

I'm quite the free marketer, but this chart reeks of underage feodora tipper.

There is a lot to discuss on a academic level about the given answers and although I agree with the market one most often, hitlers argument nd philosophie "to socialize men" is quite compelling and reaches way beyond pure economic reasoning.

Capitalism will always turn into crony capitalism. It's just a matter of time

Your Jew boogeyman is not the reason capitalism changes to crony capitalism. Human nature is the reason. Self-interest. The very thing capitalism thrives on

Just make sure the government isn't corrupt, and don't let big bucks get involved in politics, and that shit won't happen. Do I need to repeat myself anymore?

1. It tells you right there that industry was still controlled by the state

2. The head of the BUF cant comment on the BUF? Bizzare how you pick and choose when and where information is relevant to fit your narrative

3. Half the chart describes the flaws of socialism, but if you are really that lazy and need it spelled out

State regulated industry and business (see 1. before you sperg out again) reduces market efficency and flexibility, primarily its ability to adapt.

delete your account, kike

>no proper discussion will ever be had about national socialism, due to Hitler's fascism superceding the meaning of what pre-hitler national socialism is, both sides will just talk past each other, stuck in the very first loop of this flow chart for eternity
feels bad man

What does communism turn into? Bread lines and corpses.

>you didn't answer how paying several million extra private soldiers wouldn't cost the givt money
What for a war? Depends on whether you have a surplus to afford them, desu soldiers are cheap, it's war materiel that is expensive. BUT in a total war economy that changes.
>you ignored the fact that it takes far more to build a road than to maintain it
Depends on the road, it's usage, population increases, etc. Too many variables to make blanket statements.
>you dismiss overproduction as if farmers who cant afford to eat is acceptable
Farming has been subsidized in every 1st world nation for decades, Himmler was big on this.

>nazi Germany
>death of the state

not quite sure if retarded or just national socialist

This. if it had to be compared to some modern system i'd give my bet on Scandinavian/nordic social conservatism. It's not full blown socialism but rather mixed economy. The NatSoc are marxist socialist meme is so old and stupid i start to feel this board is full of newfags.

>just make sure the government isn't corrupt


Of Course!! Why didn't I think of that!!!! God I'm so stupid!! Thanks user I'm gonna tell the American people the great news.

>increase in production with no increase in demand won't be harmful to an economy

you what? there is even a perfect example of this in the chart?

Did any of you actually read it? or just get instantly triggered and assumed the test of it?

>austrian economics

I would never argue that communism is better than crony capitalism.

Can't do that without removing the Government

I'm a cultural national socialist. I want racial purity, death squads, and Christian fellowship. I don't have strong opinions on economic systems, but I don't see that as a problem, since the debate has shifted from economics to immigration. The important thing is that white people have a country.

Capitalism has never lasted more than 10 years while socialism has lasted and worked since Romans

>implying
>what is Europe

Sure you can argue semantics about not all industries being owned by the government, but that doesn't change the fact that they have shit nationalized health services and shit welfare programs.

From the start to the 'I'm not natsoc I am a fascist' they go to an interview with Mosley - but he was not an authority on fascism. The authority on Fascism was Mussolini and his party, who both coined the term and led the first fascist government. Fascism, per Mussolini, has many differences from National Socialism. On that point the info-graphic fails.

I would recommend reading 'The doctrine of Fascism' by Mussolini for more info. don't worry, it's not a 500 page manifesto, it's 10 pages maybe, and very succinct.

non arguments again

Unemployment was a huge issue, making them join the army only masks that issue. You statement about war economy is irrelevant because thay isn't what we are talking about.

What kind of road requires more maintainance staff than builders? What kind of stupid argument is this? How on earth would a finished road require more workers than surveying the land, grading the land, producing the asphalt, transporting, painting the lines

Are roads made out of damp sand in yhe US or are you desperately pulling non argument out of your arse?

You've just completely diverted the argument from the point based on an example.

IF PRODUCTION OUTSTRIPS DEMAND THE VALUE OF THE GOODS FALL BELOW PROFIT RATE

Private companies hire the staff they need, if they needed more the unemployed staff the state is forcing on them wouldnt be unemployed

>glorifying americans enemies

So do you hate Isreal?

But welfare capitalism in Europe is shit

1: are you sure that profit sharing and nationalization of trusts instantly means govt control of industry? I am not, especially seeing as not every business would be a trust, which is a specific type of joint business venture. Let alone the possibility of said trusts to be broken up and privatized, in line with real NS policy.

2: The tree says BUF/fascist, not just BUF. There is nothing bizarre here but your choice to ignore the world fascist, which is larger that Mosely and his BUF.

3: efficiency and stability is not an argument, unless you show that NS falls under a threshold of flexibility for a viable system.

>would a finished road require more workers
>roads stay in perfect condition once they're laid

wat.

Our government is thinking of going into basic income over extremely bureocratic social welfare system. Otherwise it's been fine americuck

he's saying even though roads require maintenance it's still far below the amount of work it takes to create them

It's a large short term increase in labor and a small long term increase

>I like most of this alt-right shit, but the glorification of America's enemies is straight out degeneracy and literal cuckoldry.

>implying I can' do both

are you an idiot?

I never said they wouldn't need maintaining, I said it takes far less workers than to build the fucking thing Idiot.

1.mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian

because you cant follow a simply chart

2. Mosley is wrong because you say so? He is more of an authority than you, You cannot just dismiss a comment by a key member because you, an anonymous poster on this board disent agree with it.

3. If state controls industry it creates bureaucracy wich prevents adaptability to unforseen circumstances. It is controlled market.

It's like Catholics bragging about sacking Constantinople. Sure you kicked their asses, but the Muslim hordes now have a stronghold.

This. Must've felt great when you found out that you pretty much destroyed the last safehaven of christendom in that area.

Stop dodging the question and just answer.

>thousands of kilometers of road laid
>small force of maintenance workers

Maintaining the road system is a bigger job requiring more personnel than laying the roads m8 which is a one off job.