What are the central themes and ideas in Zack Snyder's Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice?

What are the central themes and ideas in Zack Snyder's Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice?

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>If Death of Superman sold big, and Return of the Dark Knight sold big, then both will sell biggest.
That was the only theme.

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let me re-phrase: What are the central themes and ideas in the Ultimate Cut of Zack Snyder's Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice?

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American capitalism inevitably leading into fascism.

Justice

Truth

Love

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It's a story of families. How fathers shape sons. How mother figures nurture us. How fragile it all is. How even the best of us can fall after losing family.

The Bruce/Clark scenes playing almost back to back emphasise the contrast between the two. One who was raised and firmly built by his father. The other who lacking a father embarks on a mad man's journey to kill a savior. Clark keeps himself grounded to Earth with his parents' council. Bruce is lost lacking his parents councils and even displaying a sense of guilt for seeing them die.

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This comic panel looks cool, let'ts film it with a burning cross in the background.

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>durr it's so amazing how he made the things look like other things!

If anyone releases one more damn superhero movie with religious symbolism I'm going to slice their heads off

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Immigrants that come to this country will often face an incredible amount of hatred and villification by the public and media, despite the obvious good they bring to their communities.
Despite this hatred, they will often persist and make a positive difference in other peoples' lives.

Deadpool made money so we need an R-rated cut pronto

You can tip your fedora now

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But Superman has been about that since 1938, it's not like Snyder discovered anything.

>the 'gospel' is so small you can't even read it

Snyderfags in a nutshell.

How does a generic orc monster with no dialgue and an Amazonian woman with a golden lasso fit into that brilliant subtext?

>subtext
Sorry brainlet but it's not subtext. Maybe to some marlel retard but BvS isn't hiding its family-centric story. Do you know what family is or has Disney already brainwashed you to kill your daddy Ego?

>What are the central themes and ideas in Zack Snyder's Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice?

"There was a time above, a time before
there were perfect things, diamond absolutes
but things fall, things on earth
and what's fallen, is fallen"
"In the dream, they took me to the light; a beautiful lie"

But Superman is almost always accepted as a force for good and loved to an almost irrational degree by the general public. That's not really realistic, especially in today's climate. He wouldn't be America's dad figure, he'd be the seemingly friendly god that everyone is hoping isn't evil on the inside. I'm not saying that's what Superman actually is, but that this is how the public would percieve him in the real world. And this is a good thing, because one of the criticisms you could have against comic Superman is that he doesn't really struggle with xenophobia as much as he should.

>How does a generic orc monster with no dialgue
so accurate to doomsday's comic book origin then.

unethical experiments with dead matter to create the ultimate killing machine

Hit the nail on the head! Snyder portrays our world through Superman not vice versa. He's the same good guy as always. But the world isn't as hopeful and optimistic as once portrayed in comics. Our own selves are reflected through our perception of Superman.

>but that this is how the public would percieve him in the real world. And this is a good thing,

because apparently plato was right all along, and religion itself functions as a noble lie to keep the masses in check, and now we got people demanding they get an ideologue to placate them and give them a sense of comfort on screen, no matter how unrealistic it is


no irony here, none at all...

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While I can see the argument here, why does Snyder necessarily owe anything to that original interpretation? It's not as though Batman hasn't been given his due and represented in all his intended glory with the Nolan trilogy. Why is Snyder not allowed to make his own interpretation? The image comes off as though that would be against some form of authority or moral imperative and I can't help but disagree.

>Fledermausmann
Is the literal german translation for bat "Flying Mouse"?

Sorry, you misunderstood me. I'm not saying that it's a good thing the public views him that way, I'm saying that it's a good thing the movie actually examines how and why the public would do that.

Central themes and ideas:
>How to make a piece of shit and still attract pseudo intellectuals who praise it
>How to make a movie that has a low score at Rotten Tomatoes
>How to make a shitty Batman
>How to make a shit, empty villain
>How to make a shitty final battle with a shitty cgi
>How to make it shittier than the Watchmen movie
>How to put empty ""symbolism"" that doesn't have any sense

It seems that dc achieved everything it aspired; congrats, dc faggots!

Inb4: t. Marvel fag

>he doesn't know Die Fledermaus

that's not an argument user

its a blatant strawman that twists the events of the film to make it out to be something that it isn't

how the fuck is batman a serial killer for dispatching dudes of a literal private army who are literally committing acts of terrorism domestically and abroad?
fucking seriously?

a special ops team would be EXPECTED to systematically kill everyone in the warehouse to get to martha, all batman does is try to subdue them as efficiently as he can, he NEVER goes after anyone who didn't attack him first, the man with the grenade is the perfect example, as he could have just as easily LEFT but he CHOSE to throw the grenade, and thus pays for it

the premise these people present is flawed from the very beginning, you don't even need to argue the merit of the movie or how anything relates to the themes, because it sets up such a false dichotomy that is not backed up by the movie at all

even the fucking HUMAN TRAFFICKER is presented SYMPATHETICALLY with a FAMILY.
the warlord TERRORIST at the beginning is presented as QUESTIONING our narrative, and says he does what he does FOR THE LOVE OF HIS PEOPLE.

my post wasn't referring to you specifically, just riffing on your post and how people have reacted to the movie

lol sorry you misunderstood me

>its a blatant strawman that twists the events of the film to make it out to be something that it isn't
the ironing

>DINDU NUFFIN


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as far as i know, this is the first and only time someone has put batman up against private military engaged in terrorism


the league of shadows is a 'mysterious' 'foreign' entity


these people are under a US corporate billionaire and do all his dirty work


fuck off with your bullshit