Marvel Netflix confirmed MCU canon. Agents of NonCanon BTFO

In Doctor Strange the file about Jonathan Pangborn's injury came from Metro-General Hospital; the same hospital featured in Daredevil and Jessica Jones.

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This is the evidence that you come to us with?
I'm just going to laugh even harder at you.

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You cannot be fucking serious.

But AoS is canon to the Netflix universe, you weenie. The Dogs of Hell, which were a major plot point in DD S2 were an AoS original, and not from the comics.

One's a universe with time and care put into it on a platform that's got nowhere to go but up

The other is a transparent cash-in that wouldn't look out of place next to Buffy with a cult following on a dying medium that has to resort to stunt characters to pull in the mediocre views it gets.

Gee whiz, I wonder which one is cannon

Yes AoS may be canon to Netflix but it isn't canon to the main MCU.

OP just said that the Netflix Universe is canon to the larger MCU. And he's right. It looks like Metro-General is not a real place, but it appeared in the Netflix series, and then Doctor Strange.

Both are silly

Just cause it's a cash grab doesn't mean it's not canon

Yeah Netflix is canon to the MCU but the ABC universe isn't. It's only canon to Netflix and just barely because any biker gang can call themselves the same name.

I'll believe it when the movies ACTUALLY reference the events of the Netflix shoes in some way.
The movies may have some small impact on the series, but the series don't affect the movies at all. I hate it.

Holy shit, how about that. In trying to shitpost, OP just inadvertently put to rest the whole MCU/MTU debacle. All the Marvel Television stuff is canon to each other and treat the MCU as canon. Marvel Studios evidently used a MTU-original hospital, thus treating the MTU stuff as canon to.

Great, now we can finally put this shit to rest.

Well sure, both are silly. They're melodramas about superheroes. But at least the Netflix shows are shot and acted well and have a budget larger than a local car commercial.

Like the Hell's Satans?

>Netflix is canon to the MCU
>ABC universe is canon to Netflix
>but ABC is not canon to MCU
Are you retarded? It's transitive. The fact that there's influence between all of them, means they're all in one universe.

>I hate it.
Why? I genuinely don't understand why it fucking matters for Marvel Television characters to be shoe-horned into the already poorly paced movies.

What these shows and movies because you enjoy them, and not because you want them to be some bullshit interconnected weave. It's not like c-lister comics will usually effect the goings on of an a-list book.

Wrong. The Netflix universe is seperate from the ABC universe. Netflix is canon and ABC isn't. The movies mentioned Netflix, they didn't mention ABC.

This, OP. You played yourself.

That's not how canon works. Especially since Whedon himself said AoS isn't canon. AoS had 3 years and 4 seasons to get mentioned by the movies and still havent while Netflix became canon in a little over a year.

>The Netflix universe is seperate from the ABC universe.
No it isn't. Besides the biker gang thing already mentioned in this very thread, there's the fact that Skye and Matt Murdock went to the same orphanage.

>Why?
Because Marvel has been all about the whole "it's all connected!!" thing for a while but it's very flimsy. I do enjoy the shows, that's why I wish they were acknowledged.
>It's not like c-lister comics will usually effect the goings on of an a-list book.
Yeah but like Daredevil isn't some C-lister, he interacts with the Avengers a lot. So does Luke.
All the Defenders so far are friends with Spider-Man, for that matter.

DC comics and the CWverse both have Big Belly Burger. Doesn't mean the CW is canon to the comics.

Cry harder, Disniggers.

And among the newspaper headlines in Urik's office which referenced MCU shit, one of them was Cybertek getting shut down from AoS S1.

For fucks sake, Netflix and ABC are just the distributors. Jeph Loeb is still in charge of it all in the same way that Feige is for the movies.

Simple fact is the MCU hasn't acknowledged ABC while they've acknowledged Netflix. ABC might be canon to Netflix but that doesn't make it canon to MCU.

>there's the fact that Skye and Matt Murdock went to the same orphanage.
Just stop this meme.

This. It's over. Get over it. Agets of Not-Canon confirmed not-canon!

>That's not how canon works.
You don't even have the faintest idea how canon works. Let me clue you in: The word "canon" is a religious term for what works are accepted as the authoritative and official works. It's a grouping. Something is either part of the canon or it isn't, unless there are canon tiers, like Star Wars. But Marvel has never made known any canon tiers, it's all supposed to be part of one grouping. So what you said makes no sense at all.

Please refer to You're making guesswork claims about what "canon" even is. Something is either part of the canon, or it isn't. It's not about whether something specific happening in one part of the canon affects a specific other part. Things don't "become" canon to the MCU, the whole thing started there.

And AoS isn't canon. There is nothing to prove it's canon to the MCU. No direct thread. Why havent the movies mentioned it like they did Netflix.

Accept it. It's not canon and never will be.

What part of "canon is a grouping, not a thread" don't you understand?

I assumed it was a Luke Cage character that got shot. Still haven't gotten around to watching Luke Cage to check.

It's never been grouped into the MCU and Whedon himself even said it isn't canon.

>Whedon himself even said it isn't canon
But you can't produce a quote to prove that. Just him saying he had to treat the AoU story as if Coulson's dead. His specific, single story within the MCU he's no longer involved with.

why do people like the Netflix shows? they're like a more boring Arrow
at least AoS has super powers and cute girls

>why do people like the Netflix shows?
IMO, only Daredevil S1 and parts of S2 were very good. Jessica Jones was trying to make a silk purse out of a pig's ear, and Luke Cage was the definition of a missed opportunity.

That quote itself proved AoS isn't canon. If Bendis tommorow asserted that House of M Isn't canon anymore then it just isn't until another writer wants to make it canon again. The MCU hasn't done that with AoS(not that they need to since it was never canon to begin with).

DD is realistically like 4 good fight scenes and a bunch of horrible melodrama
JJ was an alright television show but nothing exciting or superhero like
Luke Cage was a joke, like it made Freeform and MTV shows look terrific in comparison
Agents of SHIELD has been pretty captivating the entire time, with a bunch of sweet action and it keeps getting better. I'd argue the season 2 finale is better than Age of Ultron and season 3 finale is even better

>Agents of SHIELD has been pretty captivating the entire time, with a bunch of sweet action
I was with you up until there. AoS spends its first season being utter garbage and becomes above average TV (a very low bar) afterwards. Plus its action is pretty bland and any given fight in DD is more interesting than it.

This meme is getting old.

I wanna talk about Daisy's butt.

>f Bendis tommorow asserted that House of M Isn't canon anymore then it just isn't until another writer wants to make it canon again
No. Bendis can assert anything is or is not canon, but writers have no say on what is ACTUALLY canon. Editors do. The editor equivalents for Marvel Studios and Marvel Television are Feige and Loeb.

They also used the "comply" line for Hydra conditioning in Civil War. That was introduced in AoS

You and me both

Nick Fury literally shows up in an episode, and they give him a helicarrier in Age of Ultron.

>buffy is bad
I want the children to leave

>If Bendis tommorow asserted that House of M Isn't canon anymore then it just isn't until another writer wants to make it canon again.
No it really wouldn't.

Whedon never said that AoS wasn't canon.
He said:
>As far as I’m concerned in the films, yes he’s (Coulson) dead. In terms of the narrative of these guys his loss was very important. When I created the television show, it was sort of on the understanding that this can work and we can do it with integrity, but these Avengers movies are for people to see the Avengers movies and nothing else. And it would neither make sense nor be useful to say ‘Oh and by the way remember me? I died!’

>The Legion comic series isn't canon to the rest of 616 but the rest of 616 is canon to the Legion comic series

This is how retarded you sound.

Unlike DC, Marvel is treating its movies and TV in the same way that it's treating it's comics. They have standalone series/movies where each one may be in a different genre:
>Hulk
>Iron Man
>Thor
>Captain America
>Doctor Strange
>Guardians of the Galaxy
>Ant Man
>Spider-Man
>Black Panther
>Captain Marvel
>Agents of SHIELD
>Agent Carter
>Daredevil
>Jessica Jones
>Luke Cage
>Iron Fist

and they have team series which have their own consistent style different from each of the standalone books:
>The Avengers
>The Defenders

As a rule, each standalone series should be able to stand on its own without forcing the reader to watch any of the team series' or any other standalone series'. Big world changing events may resonate throughout all the series' such as the "Sokovia Accords" or "The Incident" but to the extent that they affect the series' may vary.

This very much mirrors the way that modern Marvel deals with its comic series'. It would be laughable to say that one comic series isn't canon to another one because it doesn't mention the events taking place there and it's just as laughable to say the same about the MCU.

More importantly, by doing things in this way Marvel has created an entire ecosystem with the capability of staying around for a very long time. DC on the other hand is just creating one big movie series' that will give a tour of DC properties before playing itself out and being rebooted.

But this goes against my meme narrative.

Can we also discuss best Marvel girl combo?

>No direct thread
You're right. Lady Sif, Nick Fury himself, and entire hellicarrier, and a top level HYDRA agent totally didn't appear in the tv show and the movies

It's called using critical thinking. If dead is dead in the films, then being alive in a television show isn't really relevant is it? One might even sensibly conclude that the films are separate from the shows, despite being under the same umbrella company. Kinda like how Marvel has been for decades.

For a second I thought you typed "CWCverse".
I wouldn't mind Sonichu being canon to DC desu.

I was thinking more along the lines of the Christ Punchers.

why do people even want AoS to be canon?

its a fucking shitty horrible show only kept alive to push discount xmen

At least its better than the garbage movies that MShills spam Sup Forums with.

As a Zelda veteran, I feel an obligation to chime in here.

"Canon" isn't dictated by anything other than what makes sense. THAT is the only definitive canon. This is not mutually exclusive to the term "Death of the Author" which says that the creator's intent and the literary work are unrelated, because what the creator intended does matter. BUT only to the extent that it remains consistent. You can't have it both ways and call it canon.

Joss Whedon is right to say AoS is non-canon as far as I'm concerned, because AoS is predicated on the movie canon, which doesn't acknowledge AoS. The most offensive example being Agent Coulson. Let's assume you only watch the Marvel cinema-verse. If he shows up alive again, it would demand backknowledge of the AoS series. Obviously they will never do this, which is enough to stipulate AoS can never be canon even if he dies again, because the events can't corroborate. If you pull on the thread to find out why Y from AoS is in X movie, you end up at the plothole of Coulson being alive again. Which was never intended and actually contradicts Avengers 1 and 2. (Namely, the conversation Fury and Maria have about them needing a push because NEWSFLASH he really died, and I think they named something after him in 2.)

So you see, canon isn't some blanket term to connote an authorized doctrine, but only a baseline for what makes sense. It's not even this in religious contexts. That idea only came into existence to accommodate commercialism.

Hyrule Historia is not canon. Come at me.

>Butthurt headcanon fag upset his headcanon was debunked
>Tries to tell other settings how their own canon works

>Joss Whedon is right to say AoS is non-canon
Whedon didn't say Aos is non-canon. Argument discarded.

>Zelda veteran
What the fuck does that even mean

>Joss Whedon is right to say AoS is non-canon
He didn't, and if he did, it still wouldn't be up to him, he's just a director and writer who had a mild overseeing position for a couple movies. Kevin Feige is the man who makes the MCU work, and he's said that Agents of SHIELD fills in the gaps of the movies, which if nothing else, means he sees them all as a single story, shows included.

>why do people even want AoS to be canon?
It's not a matter of want, it's a matter of what is. It's the other side that says AoS is shit that is claiming that because it's shit, it should be cut out of the canon.

>Especially since Whedon himself said AoS isn't canon
What never happened for 100.

I like Agents of Shield.

It had a slow start, but all 3 seasons have had absolutely fantastic finalities, as opposed to Netflix shows that very visibly die after 8 episodes.

Of course a Zelda fag would say that.
Go back to jerking off over the only good Zelda game, faggot, and Hyrule Historia is canon even if it hurts your feelings.

>"Hyrule Historia is not canon"
You can ignore this user's post. He's just doing mental gymnastics to justify why his headcanon is correct.

>he really died
Well... yeah? That's kind of a major plot point of AoS's S1. Coulson died, then Fury brought him back to life. It's not like they retconned him dieing. I feel like a lot of people's problems with AoS would get dispelled simply by watching AoS, but I'd be more than happy if they just pretended it didn't exist.

I don't understand the need for rampant constant shitposting just because there's a show that you don't want to watch that's tangentially related to some mediocre movies you do want to watch.

>and TWO top level HYDRA agent
fixed that for you

>Of course a Zelda fag would say that.
>Hyrule Historia is not canon
he's no zelda fag

he's just a faggot

Also the in-canon president of the US from Iron Man.

>No direct thread

I don't get why people are so adamant about it not being canon. Listen, even if you think it is shit, it doesn't bring down the other shows and movies just by being connected. If the new Logan movie is a 10/10, it doesn't slip down to a 7/10 just because it's connect to origins: wolverine which was hot horse shit.

Canon has nothing to do with quality either. Ask star wars.

>Doctor Strange mentions a hospital from the Netflix series
>The Netflix series contain a biker gang from Agents of SHIELD
>Agents of SHIELD mentions a "gang war in Hell's Kitchen"
>WHiH Newsfront, a web series promoting the movies, mentions the Watchdogs

Are we done debating whether the TV Shows are canon with the movies and each other? It seems pretty damn obvious at this point.

For some reason people who don't watch Agents of Shield are autistically dead set on making it not canon.

Ok, use your "critical thinking" to try and twist this then
>In March 2015, Loeb spoke on the ability for the series to crossover with the MCU films and the ABC television series, saying, "It all exists in the same universe. As it is now, in the same way that our films started out as self-contained and then by the time we got to The Avengers, it became more practical for Captain America to do a little crossover into Thor 2 and for Bruce Banner to appear at the end of Iron Man 3. We have to earn that. The audience needs to understand who all of these characters are and what the world is before you then start co-mingling in terms of where it's going."

Obviously the films are canon to the show, we're talking about whether the show is canon to the films.

By your line of thinking every fanfiction is canon because it uses the characters.

Events from AoS directly influence some aspects of the movies though.

So these shows are self-contained, right?
I wanted to watch Daredevil but I'm not interested in the rest of MCU.

>By your line of thinking every fanfiction is canon because it uses the characters.
Holy shit, I don't even watch AoS, but this is too retarded to be true. gr8 b8 m8

Watch it, it's 100% self-contained as of now

>the file about Jonathan Pangborn's injury came from Metro-General Hospital; the same hospital featured in Daredevil and Jessica Jones.

You are aware that the hospital can exist in different continuities right? TheTV/Netflix series will never ever influence the movies in any significant way. If they want Daredevil in MCU they'll make new movies about his origin instead of using his TV counterpart. You're a delusional retard that should kill himself and that is all I have to say.

>ITT: Anons still believe the meme that the Netflix universe and the Agents of Shield universe aren't canon with the MCU regardless how many times they're told that they are
>BUT MUH WHEDON!!!
It's almost like you guys are trying to shun those shows just because you think they're shit hmmmmmm

Wasn't Daredevil supposed to be in Civil War but they changed it at the last second?

I feel like people care more about Easter eggs and connections than they do the actual movie or show.

That's because the movies have been too goddamn safe and formulaic.

Why would it not be cunt? It's still Disney's

>not liking Buffy

Get a load of this faggot.

I think at this point, the films are like episodes of a TV show. Every film is built to hype up the next film. It's pretty much becoming like comics in that regard, every event ends with a "OH, this next BIGGER event is coming!"

Matt Murdock and Daisy Johnson from AoS grew up in the same orphanage. There's also the Dogs of Hell gang from AoS being featured prominently in DD s2

So by association, if Netflix shows are canon, so is AoS.

>and have a budget larger than a local car commercial.
>Hasn't seen Ghost Rider in AoS

If you're going to shitpost, at least make it look like you you know what you're talking about.

Creel is in both AoS and Daredevil S1, too.

And people said that keeping DC's TV shows and films in separate universes was a bad idea.

A contrived universe shared between several writers!? Not based on comic books at all!...

You have no idea what the word "canon" means, do you?

There was noise about Charlie Cox's contract requiring him to be in movies if Marvel deemed it necessary, but nothing specific about Civil War that I can remember

So about as tenuous as the various references to AoS in the other MCU movies then?

>and Whedon himself even said it isn't canon.

That literally never happened. In fact, he's defended the show:

youtu.be/wPnqzENRToA?t=11m28s

>BTFO

>Buffyfags defending their shitty show
Like a clockwork.

This is the only MCU thread I'm seeing, so I'm gonna post this here: youtube.com/watch?v=hpWYtXtmEFQ

Luke Cage wasn't any more of missed opportunity than Jessica Jones.
Jessica Jones, in theory, could've been a truly terrifying psychological thriller and instead ended up being a boring drama with awful dialogue, pacing issues, zero suspense and an antagonist that is so hard to take seriously it makes you wonder why he even gets any focus.
God, I hate myself for watching 13 episodes of this shitshow falling for the "it gets better" meme.

>TheTV/Netflix series will never ever influence the movies in any significant way.

This always cracks me up.

First argument was:
>The TV/Netflix series will never ever influence the movies in any way

Then, when they actually do (like how AoS both sets up Age of Ultron, by finding Strucker's base in Sokovia and tipping off The Avengers and is a tie in with the Hellicarrier).

So now its:
>>TheTV/Netflix series will never ever influence the movies in any SIGNIFICANT way.

Which is convenient for any of these shitposters, because they can just keep moving goal posts with a "Nu-uh! Not significant enough!"

>The TV/Netflix series will never ever influence the movies in any way
Who are you talking about? I never said anything like this, kill yourself retard.

Its obviously a reference to the larger community/complaint, not your post specifically. I know, a hard thing for someone like you, with an IQ under 40, to grasp.