What went wrong ?

What went wrong ?

Too Lovecraftian

nothing
it's an homage to ANH

lmao

Nothing

A safe, recycled, generic mess of ANH, made by comittee going by the numbers, modernized for family fan service.

too many niggers

They chicked it all to hell

VERY confusing movie. The whole time i was scratching my head thinking:

>what's the first order?
>what's the resistance?
>where's the republic?
>why is the first order stronger than the empire that lets it make an even bigger death star?
>why does the resistance just have some old x-wings when the rebels won the last movie?
>what were those planets the death star 3 blew up?
>why is rey so overwhelmingly strong and why does nobody seem shocked by it?

>even Aliens got BLACKED

this, nothing was explained properly while being part of a franchise which already had 6 movies and tons of semi-canon material.

I used to be one of those "prequels aren't canon" fags, but now I see how shitty it really could get. the first order is a meme faction when compared to the trade federation

What went wrong is that it was made.

Star Wars should've been left alone. The story was over, everything had been tied up, the EU was there for any new stories, but there was no need to tell any more of the story.

TFA wasn't even bad, but I'm worried about the precedent it sets. Disney are now going full on cinematic universe and its literally killing Star Wars. Awe inspiring adventures with memorable and exciting characters are being turned into mildly interesting plots with bland characters. Everything is now just a quota to be filled

Tell that to Kanjiklub

>goes in knowing the movie is one part of a three part movie series
>expects all the plot lines to be wrapped up in a bow
You asked for this.

They made the death star ten times bigger, yet made the villains ten times more incompetent.

>three part movie series
>entire first movie has an enemy faction which has no reason to exist provided by the previous movies or this movie
this is screenwriting errors 101

>but the First Order was from the Empire's military remnants
this was literally never explained in even a line or two during the entirety of the movie. also, how the hell do they have such a huge galactic presence decades after the empire's flagship fleet was defeated by the rebels? there needs to be some degree of explanation or it is all made-up bullshit.

The worst part of TFA is that I was naive/gullible enough to believe that based on the trailer, they had recaptured the magic from the original trilogy.

truly COSMIC horror lol XD
seriously though, this tentacles=lovecraft meme is cancer. Think of the children.

>What went wrong ?

>this was literally never explained in even a line or two during the entirety of the movie. also, how the hell do they have such a huge galactic presence decades after the empire's flagship fleet was defeated by the rebels? there needs to be some degree of explanation or it is all made-up bullshit.
That cancer is present in the EU (rip) where there still were over 9000 SSDs tooling around that nobody bothered to mention or bring to the battle over Endor.

you have to explain the audiace what is going on (epeiaclly if its a sequel)

He's spamming it in every thread. Just report and move on.

i think not even in the EU it was this bad.

Episode 7 should have been about the characters getting clues that the Empire is rising again

Yeah, but then we couldn't have had the not-Rebels destroy the not-Death Star in a climatic battle after the not-Empire destroyed not-Alderaan.

And if you couldn't figure that out you are truly lost.

It IS all made up bullshit. It just should have been better written made up bullshit

>Luke visiting Endor at the beginning with Ben Solo, his apprentice.
>Looking for Vader's lost lightsaber to scavenge the crystal for Ben's sword.
>Lightsabers have become even more of a legend than they were when Luke got his.
>C3PO greeted as a god again by the Ewoks, cuddly, warm introduction to a familiar galaxy
>Diving concept art from TFA
>Never find the Lightsaber, nor other evidence that should be there
>instead find traces of Imperial activity
>"It's probably just pirates and scavengers, master."
>Luke is worried and has a vision that night.
>Luke goes to see Leia on Coruscant
>She had the same vision
Whole movie is Ben and Luke travelling through the galaxy tracing the Empire Remnant

if course i figured it out but its still shitty wiritting. If you dont get that you have no idea what good writing is

>They eventually track the lightsaber and find out about the Empire.
>Thrawn or some equivalent as the villain, no force grey dark jedi bullshit
>First movie ends in a big battle after the Republic gets 9/11'd
>Ben gets his crystal and everyone sees this as big step forward, since no other real jedi have come this far after Luke
>The crystal is starting to corrupt Ben
The whole trilogy is Ben slowling falling to the dark side, killing Mara Jade/Luke's wife at the end of the second movie, turning dark after having a Luke style vision where he has to fight his master, sees himself but instead of following Luke's steps, falls to the dark side. Killing Mara is a good act from his point of view (pun intended)

agree. I had a similar idea- The big plot twist would have been that Ben felt to the dark side and used a technique to hide it

The First Order and The Resistance is BS, the EU did it better with the imperial warlords/splinter groups trying to become top dog due to the power vacuum left after the battle of endor with the New Republic trying to quell the chaos.

third movie has luke killing ben, essentially ending the jedi for good and throwing away his father's lightsaber, mirroring the scene with Ben Kenobi where he his his father's ls.

Is this real? Goddamn, I'm glad I never bothered watching this shit.

or it is a born ability of him that's why Snoke choose him

one clue would had lead them to Jakku where a ex Stormtrooper is an informer (Finn). And on the way they would had met Rey as well

this

my idea was that the Galactic Republic had to deal with pirates (maybe a big hutt cartell). the main characters follow the clues and it turns out its the Empire who uses the pirates to gather resources

>Luke visiting Endor
>Luke staring at the same point where his three masters were standing but now it's empting, establishing a somber tone.
Not sure where Han and Chewie fit into all of this tho

i'd like to have the first movie make clear what's going on and what is what

they would had used that in the next episode when the Empire established itself (or dont used it)

Many things.
Not only is the plot nonsensical, but there was not enough exploring new worlds and aliens. They took The Force powers too far.
They should have actually shown Kylo's backstory, should have had Luke Skywalker actually doing things. They should have also explained the New Republic and First Order better.

this

parts of the book series Aftermath should have been in the movie

JJ

Dafuq?!

this too

China seems to know what was wrong with the movie

Only for white people, the US demographics are changing and so must movies if they want to keep up and appeal to a broad audience.

How will nogs ever recover?

i doubt it

New main three characters were lame, daisy is a bad actor, Han dying was expected but dumb, biggerer death star was dumb, nothing all that imaginative or inspiring which is really telling when all the marketing for it had bs like "every generation has it's story"

(((THEY))) COPIED NEW HOPE

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bad editing.

Nu-males and feminists aka Today's world

The First Order, simply referred to as the Order, was a political and military faction—ruled by Supreme Leader Snoke and allied with the Knights of Ren—that came into existence as a result of the fall of the Galactic Empire. In the aftermath of the Battle of Jakku, the Empire formally surrendered to the New Republic by signing the Galactic Concordance, a peace treaty that marked the end of the Galactic Civil War in 5 ABY. In spite of its collapse the Empire's legacy survived in the Unknown Regions of the galaxy where former members of the Imperial Military plotted their return to power. Their cause would grow in support through some Imperial sympathizers who briefly inhabited a wing of Republic politics before abandoning the nascent democracy to join the Imperial-based movement in the Unknown Regions. Inspired by the fascist ideals of the Empire, this movement sought to be better and remove all weaknesses and flaws that the Empire had, ultimately resulting in the formation of the First Order.
In the decades that followed the Empire's defeat, the First Order gradually built its strength through the secret mobilization of new fleets and armies in violation of the Galactic Concordance and Republic law. Despite further acts of defiance to the treaty, the Galactic Senate did not regard the First Order as a serious threat to the Republic. However, the Senate's inaction motivated the Rebel veteran Princess Leia Organa to found the Resistance. Although the First Order became entangled in a conflict with Organa's group, the Republic remained its primary target. After thirty years of plotting their revenge against the government that overthrew the Empire, the First Order test-fired the superweapon of Starkiller Base on the Hosnian system and thereby destroyed Hosnian Prime, the capital world of the Republic. Shortly thereafter, the Resistance launched a counterattack that resulted in the base's destruction.

The Resistance was a small military force founded by Leia Organa to combat the First Order. The origins of the Resistance, which took inspiration from the Alliance to Restore the Republic, dated to the end of the Galactic Civil War, when the New Republic passed the Military Disarmament Act in the wake of the signing of the Galactic Concordance with the Galactic Empire. Organa argued that the Empire, which retreated into the Unknown Regions, could not be trusted to abide by the treaty. When the First Order arose from the ashes of the Empire, Organa urged the Republic to take the threat seriously. Rebuffed and being labeled a paranoid warmonger, Organa was disgraced in the eyes of the New Republic's Senate following the revelation that her father was Darth Vader. Ignored particularly by the growing Centrists faction, many of which were in direct collusion with the rising First Order, she formed the Resistance to combat the threat she had discovered.

Unoriginal
Galactic politics make no sense
Starkiller base blowing up far-away solar system makes no sense, inconsistent with real physics and also SW physics
Luke went away instead of helping fight bad guys for some reason
Han's a smuggler again even though it makes no sense
Han and Leia just seem like Ford and Fischer, not the characters
Useless filler scene with rathtars
Rey is boring
Dumb cloying goodie two shoes Maz Kanata character
Finn is like a vaudeville blackface character
Bad acting all around, from pretty much everyone other than Adam Driver and a few minor part actors
Finn goes from being sad that his stormtrooper buds are getting killed to gleefully shooting them in a matter of minutes
Last chance to have Han, Luke, Leia interact is wasted
Does Kylo not realize that Vader gave up the dark side before dying?
etc.

The New Republic followed in the footsteps of the Galactic Republic—commonly known as the "Old Republic" during the Age of the Empire—restoring the Galactic Senate and fighting the shattered forces of the Galactic Empire. Unlike its predecessor, the New Republic's capital was not based on Coruscant. After a brief stint on Chandrila, the seat of government shifted among a variety of member worlds on a rotating basis, chosen through democratic election.
Following the end of the war with the signing of the Galactic Concordance in 5 ABY, the Republic hastily passed the Military Disarmament Act seeking to prevent a repeat of galactic history; and instead focused on strengthening the forces of local planetary governments and reconstruction efforts to worlds ravaged by the conflict. A fraction of the size of the former Galactic Republic and Empire, the New Republic remained on friendly terms with a majority of galactic systems owing to the egalitarian processes that it embodied into its political message. Briefly inhabiting a wing of New Republic politics, the First Order would eventually secede from the greater body once tensions reached a breaking point. While many applauded the motion, others realized that without Republic oversight, the First Order would return to the draconian ways of its predecessor. With a galactic hunger for peace, many senators—some receiving large sums of credits from their First Order beneficiaries—dismissed notions that the First Order posed a threat to the Republic, believing that reports of its strength were exaggerated by the 'warmonger' Leia Organa and her Resistance. With the Order's true intentions finally revealed following destruction of the Republic capital in the Hosnian system, the Republic stood on the brink of yet another galactic war.

Disney. Star Wars is just a reflection of that.

>tfw your average Sup Forums shitposter will be as recognizable as these 2 once this god awful trilogy is over
can't wait desu

god damn that's pretty on point criticism.. just made me like it even less

The Hosnian system was a star system in the galaxy's Core[1] that contained the planets Cardota, Courtsilius, Hosnian, Hosnian Prime and Raysho.[4]
A month after the Battle of Jakku, a female newscaster from the Hosnian system delivered a news broadcast reporting that an Imperial surrender was imminent but that the New Republic Starfleet would remain on war footing for the foreseeable future. This signal was intercepted by Imperial remnant forces as far away as the Queluhan Nebula.[6]

In 28 ABY,[7] the system was home to the New Republic Senate on Hosnian Prime.[8]

Hosnian Prime and all other planetary objects orbiting the system's sun were destroyed by a phantom energy beam[2] upon the firing of the First Order's Starkiller Base superweapon.[3] Due to the nature of phantom energy, the destruction of the system was visible across the galaxy.[2] It was witnessed by those present in Maz Kanata's castle on the planet Takodana.[3] The beam caused Hosnian Prime's core to ignite in a pocket nova, and temporarily became a binary system.

> the First Order test-fired the superweapon of Starkiller Base on the Hosnian system and thereby destroyed Hosnian Prime, the capital world of the Republic
You'd think this would deserve more than one minute or so of screentime, or at least some clear exposition. Nope.

This

SJW shit, for starters. Hard to care about the movie when it stars non-protagonists like "dumb bland bitch" and "cowardly nigger". Nobody likes these characters, not even the groups they're trying so desperately to please. They're so wildly unpopular they have to use the villain in promo shit for the most part and even the fucking soccer ball droid because the main characters are just that unlikable. Now, you could argue that Luke was pretty bland and has never had the draw of Vader or Yoda or whatever but he was supposed to be the most standard generic protagonist ever and he fits that role pretty well, plus he was still a way more popular hero than Rey or Finn will ever be.

Also, did anyone else feel like the galaxy was so small and shitty compared to previous SW films? The prequels still suck but Lucas' dream of making a universe jam-packed with shit at least paid off by making a universe jam-packed with shit, whereas TFA feels empty as hell. It barely feels like Star Wars at all even with all the shit they throw in there to remind you it's Star Wars.

To them 'diversity' is making characters different races, or adding more females. Compare this to Game of Thrones (stay with me) which has a diverse cast of CHARACTERS: adults & children, girls, boys, men, women, dwarves, whores; those with power & strength, those that are sneaky & backstabbing. Just compare Gwendoline Christie's characters in both. One is interesting, and one is not

It's got that JJ Abrams touch, and JJ isn't very good at setting up a sense of grandeur and scale. His Star Trek had the same problem - it made the galaxy feel small and dull, just a random backdrop for the plot, with locations popping into existence only long enough to serve the plot's needs, then vanishing. There was some cool stuff on Jackoff or whatever the Tatooine clone planet is. The broken Star Destroyers laying around are nice. Unfortunately that's pretty much the end of the decent pacing and slow grandeur in the whole film, and we saw it all in the trailers anyway.
I feel that maybe JJ is a city boy who's spent his entire life just driving around city streets from office to office, and he has no conception of how big nature is. I'm a city boy myself, but I at least like to read about space and wilderness and shit.

>What went wrong ?

How unfortunate that JJ Abrahms and Kathleen Kennedy sidelined Leia in the Force Awakens. In The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, she was implied by Yoda, Luke and Vader to have *As Much* potential in the Force as Luke (a potential that was actually explored in the Expanded Universe novels). If JJ Abrahms and Kathleen Kennedy wanted to actually show female a Force user and develop alternative perspectives on the nature of the Force, they should have used Leia. As a diplomat, leader, and mother, she could have used and been guided by the Force in ways we've not seen onscreen yet. Mediating disputes between contentious factions after the fall of the Empire. Inspiring hope, courage and forgiveness in those who follow her. Drawing on the selfless maternal instinct to protect and sacrifice for her children. These are just several new and compelling ways Leia could have demonstrated how the Light Side of the Force can be used for good.

What a shame JJ Abrahms and Kathleen Kennedy did Leia and Carrie Fisher such a disservice. Instead of developing a beloved and classic character in a way that elevated the story and universe of Star Wars, they took a page from fanfiction.net and inserted Rey.

now Carrie Fisher is dead, and their failure is complete.

Plotholes the movie. Literally plotholes throughout the entire movie.

The opening crawl said that the resistence was looking for luke. No one in the movie explains why everyone is looking for luke. Now cut to rey.

Rey is by herself on jakku. She knows no one else in the galaxy. She joins up with finn, chewie and han solo, and bb8. Only three of the group has a connection to the resistence. Finn briefly knew poe, but thought poe died. At the end of the movie, rey is sent off to find luke. Yet there is no one that can vouch for her. Finn is in a coma, han solo is dead, no one talked to chewie or bb8.

So why the fuck did the resistence send a literal who to fetch luke. Rey just showed up after the battle and doesnt know a single person in the resistence and they just accept her. Wtf