DUDE JAPANESE ARE SAVAGES LMAO

DUDE JAPANESE ARE SAVAGES LMAO

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it's incredibly insulting dude "we're white saviors in asia lmao" "we're not invasive foreign colonists at all lmao"

Japan just wanted to secure a future for their children.

Both of these ideas were put forward in the movie and both were explored/criticized extensively. Stop being retarded.

Literally the whole point was that they thought themselves to be saviors, Rodriguez compared himself to christ, but all they accomplished was hurting themselves and a bunch of Japanese villagers.

the jew fears the samurai, fuck the jesuits got btfo by nips

Christianity is the only true religion. Being a form of colonization doesn't matter. The japs were savages.
The film is shit, though. The dude died as a coward cuck in the end denying Christ.

after all these years based Scorcese still has it
this would be a must in the Vatican approved watchlist had it not put in question the value of faith

I thought their actions in WW2 proved nothing but. Though that's all repressed now since they've been put into submission.

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>all they accomplished was hurting themselves and a bunch of Japanese villagers
as yes, weed is awful for you because it can get you put in jail where you can be raped and beaten. Drugs kill, anons

what a faggot

You didn't understand the movie, I gues you see it in the same way in Embrace of the Serpent, thinking Europeans are the good guys

>Defending this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimabara_Rebellion

If you only knew how ironic your pic is.

Look up Unit 731

>Received complete amnesty from white people

Really makes you think

best boy

I love being Christian but it really was wrong to try to spread our ideology over there.
All we did was fuck over a lot of poor villagers

>having a reasonable opinion
>>>/reddit/

If Hideyoshi wasn't such an autist who believed he could just march into beijing and sent his most loyal christian daimos to korea, instead of the illoyal fuckers from eastern Japan, Japan would have been 100% catholic by 1650

>Jay Cocks
kek

That analogy is fucking horrible and nearly incomprehensible.

Scorsese's most lovecraftian work yet

quints pls

it's a perfect analogy. the jesuits only *cause* pain to themselves and others because Christianity was wrongfully and evilly subdued through torture and murder. There is no moral blame on the Christians for trying to bring their belief system to Japan inherently, it only had negative consequences because of the actions of other people. The analogy works out because weed is a healthier drug than most legal ones even (I'm not even a pothead, no high is worth risking arrest or job loss) but you can spend years in prison. When I was a kid at DARE the worst things that the cops could tell us about weed is that some kid with a college scholarship lost it all and went to prison for having weed. The weed wasn't the problem, it's the prison that's the problem. The Jesuits aren't the problem, the genocide of Christians is the problem.

>There is no moral blame on the Christians for trying to bring their belief system to Japan
On could say the same for Islam in the west.

t. kike

>I love being Christian

how did the Christians fuck over villagers?

If people willingly and peacefully converted to Islam en masse in the west there'd be no problem either

Japanese actually liked this movie alot though.

What benefits do the Japanese get from Christianity?

Saving themselves.

What benefits do they get from Buddhism an Indian religion?

Morals.

>not a single argument
is this the power of religion?

eternal life

What did they do to the villagers? Weren't most of the villagers Christian? I didn't see the movie.

if they had all accepted Christ's love we would have never ended up dropping 2 atomic bombs on them.

according to nu-think, spreading Christianity in an area where Christians are persecuted means you are responsible for any deaths and violence, not the Japanese who dindu muffin

Japanese aren't even Buddhist that much anymore other countries that have accepted Jesus like Mexico are shitholes,
I'm not a kike or a fedora athiest Christianity is fine but it has no place in Asia

Christianity has a place wherever people willingly accept it. That includes China or Japan where it spreads naturally yet is persecuted from authority

You guys realize there are Christian and Catholic churches in japan present day right?

From what I remember from reading this book and Japanese history classes in college years ago, the Jesuits were bringing guns to trade with villagers, and spreading western culture, which the shogunate was scared of because it meant that they had the potential to be overthrown and lose power throughout Japan. So, by banning Christianity, they could also ban guns. Stamping out Christian beliefs was mostly a power move. I'm rusty on the details though.

youtube.com/watch?v=rPRpoWAw1fg&feature=youtu.be&t=7015

Do explain.

>nips
>not savages

They just wanted to secure a 100% percent Japanese society,
Isn't that what you guys whine about it as well?
A 100% white society?
Christianity isn't Japanese culture

>these non-answers
If you need a god to tell you right from wrong you should just be executed

Christianity isn't white culture either. It's culture independent. In my opinion all group think philosophies are wrong and no culture is worth preserving.

Everyone can be just because they're a slanty eyed little fuck doesn't absolve them from being portrayed in a negative light.

Explain to me objective morals without a deity deciding what is right and wrong. Go.

So not only do you have to have a deity (with no proof of it's existence) tell you what to think but now you're asking others to spoon feed you?

Are you fucking retarded? Secular morality is a thing for a reason.

Consequentialism? Humanism? And for the matter it was not the deity that decided what was right and wrong, it was the people that interpreted the statements and will of the deity that decided that.

>tell you how to think
No. No spiritual person thinks or lives like this. The problem with those hot opinions of yours is that you're making up an exaggerated and offense caricature of religious people and then demanding that religious people defend it, while offering an alternative that to me seems equally nonsensical

to me, Christianity is my ethos because the way that I see the world consistently reinforces what I read in the new testament. As I age and meet more people from more places in the world my viewpoint of human nature more and more is explained accurately by Christian theology. The morality behind is is reinforced by what I feel in my heart and see in other people. I am not some empty brainless vessel that is a replaced with greek writings from 2000 years ago, I am a human being with the capacity to observe, analyze, and process the same capacity as you. And considering the ridiculousness of your religious strawman hereI wouldn't be surprised if you were dumber than me

I thought the movie was great right until the last 20 minutes with the narration sequence. It felt like Scorsese was rushing to wrap everything up.

shhh don't tell them

>No spiritual person thinks or lives like this
Literally says
>Explain to me objective morals without a deity deciding what is right and wrong

Cultures change, and belief systems are not culture-independent. Culture preserves itself in long complicated social processes.

t. Anthropologist.

>claims to be morally superior because he's enlightened by his own speed
>immediately calls for mass executions

you still don't get it. Thinking that there needs to be an authority higher than humans in moral matters does not necessitate in inability to think for oneself.
Christianity is culture independent
t. Historian

He said that because the question itself is an impossible one. There is no such thing as objective morality.

Wow I guess the Japanese guy who wrote the book this movie is based on must really hate Japanese people

There is if you believe the creator of the universe has given you a book detailing the correct way to live.

1. I said belief systems.
2. Jeudo-Christian faith and its mission was definitely dependent upon culture.

You're a poor historian or a liar.

Rust...

right, but the claim that
>you should be able to figure out right an wrong on your own without God
is the claim that not only does objective morality exist but that all humans have the ability to *just know* it inherently. To me that is even more retarded than believing that a God is necessary for objective morality
>Judeo-Christian faith and its mission
you're a poor anthropologist incapable of anything other then regurgitating what you were taught in school

>Thinking that there needs to be an authority higher than humans in moral matters does not necessitate in inability to think for oneself
Except that it does, history shows that religion in general and Christianity specifically is a highly effective method of control. Until self interpretation comes into play. How many people think gays are morally bankrupt for no other reason than Leviticus?

The Japanese were savages, the Americans bombed that shit out of them, thankfully.

Unit 731 might have even been real, can we drop this holohoax business already?

>the main characters were jesuits, they deserved their fates.

the fact is japan has its own culture which they were pushing catholicism into, catholics are pagans and preach meekness and surrender and glorify death as a means of achieving eternal life through a saviour. There is no crom for the concept of honor.

japs are perfectly okay with you killing yourself for honor. Roman history of christendom is lies. it was so simple a lie , the muslims even pulled it off.

underrated.

>might have even been real
>might
>despite the existence of extensive documentation and benefits to medical sciences
Quite Hirohito, accept your war crimes and move on

Nagasaki and Shimabara and Sapporo are 80% Christian towns.
Christians can kill each other just as well.

>I love being Christian
what is it like having access to the internet and still being as stupid as you are

>being Christian
>reasonable

Guns were imported in Japan around 1530's with Portuguese traders, and made their way into local Warlords tactics soon enough.
Battle of Nagashino by Nobunaga Oda was won with gun tactics.

>I love being Christian
>it really was wrong to try and spread our ideology

So I guess when Jesus commanded his apostles to go forth and spread the Gospel, Jesus was wrong?

I nominate user and OP for most inept brainlets of 2017

reminder that you guys base your lives off of bed time stories

>Christians can kill each other just as well.
Everybody knows Truman was a franmason that hated christians and the nuke was made by jews.

to be fair, this user is right. if you are stupid enough to believe this nonsense, you better stick with it to the end. if you're a christian and you aren't spreading your religion, you're letting other people go to hell on your watch

The Shogun loved the addition of firearms to their forces, the "dishonorabu rifre" is a meme

Kinda weird the budhist hunted the christians to later being the hunted on the meiji restauration.

>history shows that religion in general and Christianity specifically is a highly effective method of control. Until self interpretation comes into play
but Christianity itself *inherently* relies on self-interpretation. the times in which Christianity has been used as a tool of mass control are the times in which the Church was acting against its own scriptures
>Romans 7:4-6: Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
>Acts17:11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
>1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession
Christianity has always been about an individuals connection with God through Jesus Christ as the sole mediator

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>If you need a god to tell you right from wrong you should just be executed
The pure definition of irony.

DUDE CHRISTIANS ARE EVIL
>annexes Korea and Manchuria
>rapes Nanking
>commits genocide of chinese people
>attacks Pearl Harbor
>creates unit 731
>finally got bombed into submission
WE DINDU NUFFIN EVIL WHITE PIGS

The movie never implied that Christians were evil. Just that Japs were not compatible with Christianity, and Japan was a lost cause for the Church. Take your autism pills.

>Axis powers called themselves the master race
>get outnumbered and utterly destroyed in war
>less than a century later Japan is one of the biggest economies in the world and Germany controls most of Europe via the EU
>Hiroshima and Nagasaki are nicer than the majority of American cities

hm what did genetics mean by this?

the movie never implied the latter, either you retard

What do you base your life?

Rome converting to Christianity and all that jazz.

>the movie never implied the latter, either you retard
The whole part with Liam Neeson was basically all about how Japs don't get Christianity and the whole mission is a failure. How can you even miss this? Some posts on this board are so fucking moronic, it's difficult to believe they were written genuinely.

And the mongrel Americans and rival Chinese are tied for the largest economy. What was meant by this?

I really think that bugppl just are not suited to Christianity.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion

Because both economies function on slave labor.

Cut off third world immigration to the US and enforce labor laws in China and it would all come crashing down.

Did you actually watch the movie?

>Something that a character said in the movie is the message of the movie
eternal brainlet idea