So, in America, we have the land for housing. We have the timber and steel. We have unemployed construction workers. And we have people who want to live in their own house and stop renting. So what is stopping new houses from being built?
What in our system of government or economics is preventing us from using resources we have to build something we need?
Why don't we just build houses and give them to people so that they can have some stability in life instead of the stress of renting from a landlord?
>we have the land for housing. We have the timber and steel.
these statements are incorrect and the source of your folly.
Those resources are owned by individuals that don't have to give you shit.
Elijah Jackson
It's not about me. I'm an actual homeowner (my mortgage is fully paid) of a 3 bedroom in a nice suburb.
This is about helping the people who are forced to rent or are forced to make mortgage payments. Nobody should have to work on pain of homelessness. Shelter is a human right that should be provided to all americans. If that means some rich fucks have a little less property, so be it. I will chip in with higher taxes if necessary.
We can't make 200 million people suffer through misery because of some abstract meme like private property
Landon Johnson
Any thoughts?
Julian Gutierrez
People own that land
James Scott
Agreed.
Economy>Reality.
We need to fix this.
Jack Sullivan
> human right that should be provided to all americans
shelter =\= home ownership
universal home ownership is a pipe dream that is what enabled the housing crash of 2008.
you have a right to a tent and nothing more.
>some rich fucks have a little less property
start with your property then you fucking thief.
Parker Martin
You sound like a reddit faggy bernout so I'm going to assume your parents gave you everything or you're lying.
If on the off chance you are telling the truth: I look forward to your naivety being exploited as you're bled dry of every dollar you own.
Jason Ross
How come Americans cant into houses. They all look like shit and are easily blown away in hurricanes. Pic related is what they look like.
David Russell
That looks fucking awesome. Fuck you.
Andrew Myers
>easily blown away in hurricanes >125 mph winds >something ireland never experienced
sure thing paddy. go back to your straw huts
Lincoln Campbell
Also awesome.
Sup Forums has been newfags arguing with newfags for fucking months. GET OUT.
Aiden Sanders
Most Homelessness isn't caused by a lack of housing, it's caused by people who are too crazy to conform to society's very, very low standards.
Renting isn't the end of the world. In fact, once you factor in tenants' rights, it can actually be preferable to owning from a day-to-day perspective. Add to that the flexibility that you get from being able to pull stakes at any time and rent somewhere else, and it's a pretty good deal. Literally the only problem with renting versus owning is you don't get to build home equity.
Finally, there isn't anything even resembling a housing shortage in most of the country, once you factor in rental properties (which you conspicuously choose not to do). Compared to most of the rest of the developed world, the United States has basically non-existent building and zoning requirements (for contrast, look at the green belts around London or Berlin) and the only places that actually have problems with housing availability are those places with severe geographic constraints, like San Francisco or Seattle (and even those constraints are made up. God forbid someone have to live in San Jose or Redmond).
lastly,
>Why don't we just build houses and give them to people so that they can have some stability in life instead of the stress of renting from a landlord?
Judging by the housing projects that emerged as a result of Johnson's Great Society, this would be a terrible mistake. People who are just given something are not as careful with it as someone who earned it.
Ethan Mitchell
>What in our system of government or economics is preventing us from using resources we have to build something we need?
Zoning and building ordinances enforced by state and local governments
James King
>human right stopped reading right there Human rights are not a real thing
David Turner
>So what is stopping new houses from being built?
Nothing. They are being built. New Homes built in America post 2008*:
America does not have steel, timber, or land. Individuals have timber and land, and America has conservation areas owned by taxpayers.
You're telling user Smith to give up $3,000,000 in resources, most of his life's work, and give it to someone who hasn't put in any work.
Austin Powell
>We have the land for housing. Which is owned by someone. You're going to have to buy it from them first.
>We have the timber and steel. Someone in the US owns the timber. You're going to have to buy it from them first. Someone in China owns the steel. You're going to have to buy it from them first.
>We have unemployed construction workers. You will have to pay them.
>And we have people who want to live in their own house and stop renting. They don't make enough money, haven't saved enough 'down', to afford a mortgage. Houses are expensive because so many people have to work on them.
>So what is stopping new houses from being built? The economy, supply and demand.
>What in our system of government or economics is preventing us from using resources we have to build something we need? Everyone needs paid. The owners of the land. The owners of the raw materials. The workers. The zoning permits. The roads to get to the new houses.
>Why don't we just build houses and give them to people so that they can have some stability in life instead of the stress of renting from a landlord?
Everyone needs paid. The plumbers. The drywall installers. The electricians. The cabinetmakers. The inspectors. The framers. The masonry contractors. The earth movers. The landscapers. Its very nice of you to volunteer their time, but they aren't going to do it for free...they...and their families...need to eat.
>sad for your socialist bubble :(
Kayden Gonzalez
The main thing is excessive regulation through zoning and similar measures.
Jaxon Williams
>What is public land
America has a shitload of timber that is owned by the American public and administered by the Forest Service.
Then you have state-owned forests. The sale of timber from state owned forests goes to fund universities and other public education.
OP's ideas are bad and he should feel bad, and I'm not going to suggest that the way things are now are the best way to do things, but it's obvious you know nothing about land ownership west of the Mississippi.
Landon Brooks
>we have the land
Whoa buddy slow down. Some states have available land, but most states on the coasts are stupid filled.
Xavier Bailey
WHAT IS UP WITH THESE CUNTS!? THEY ARE SO B8!
> BEAUTIFULWOMAN.JPG > Sales pitch
No respect for ones intelligence. No respect for women.
EVERY FUCKING DAY
THIS IS WHY THE JEWS GOT REPEATEDLY V& FROM EUROPE!
Michael Murphy
1.most voting americans are homeowners 2. building houses for the many americans that could use a home would reduce house prices 3. our economy relies on housing going up/not going down
Jacob Howard
If we just give the houses to people, how do we pay for them to be built?
Daniel Anderson
not entirely true. many of the western states have vast areas owned by the government.
but building a house there won't help much since there are no jobs withing hundreds of miles of most of it.
and who will pay? do you want to foot the bill for jamal to get a free house?
Cameron Smith
Google "Mision Vivienda in Venezuela".
Its free homes for tyrones and drug addicts, it just doesnt work, bleeding the government dry by giving free roof to useless people.
Charles Lewis
this it's the problem with most first world countries everyone wants to live on the coast it it becomes overpopulated quickly. We do have the land but no one wants to live in bumfuk nowhere
Camden Morris
The smart ones will move since they essentially become richer even if they work the same job.
Plus lower population means a smaller labor supply.
It's so stupid because it's so basic. Humans weren't meant to live in gigantic, bloated communities. Having so many people close by just causes all sorts of conplexities, and when bureaucracy is introduced to address that it just gets worse.
If you ever want to see this in action apply for a job near LA and one in Idaho.
Ryder Morris
Then why are so many people forced to rent or homeless?
We should give houses away to renters
So all that patriotic bullshit was just shits and gigles? What does nationalism mean if not taking care of your fellow Americans
yo man I just want to start a discussion and a good pic helps with that okay i'm just a lonely shitposter
We don't have to pay. We just use unemployed people to build houses with government land.
Nathan Moore
>I know how humans were "meant" to live except you show no evidence for that whatsoever.
Grayson Moore
Fine I'll rephrase it.
Living in large communities seems unnatural. To belive so is logical if you think about overpopulation. We know for a fact that a given ecosystem can only support so many organisms and human environments aren't above this.
Consider a model used to describe human happiness (or even efficiency) vs. Population. It is only natural to assume that it would take the usual normal distribution with the peak being somehwere in the middle.
