Endtown 11-28-16: Holly's Gift

This is going to suck...

IT'S HAPPENING

Reminder that, This happened, Please, i don't give a shit who started it, but for the sake of the threads, the fandom and Aaron himself, don't let it happen again.

Carry on.

>Dear Talking Cat
>Sorry I took your girlfriend and will endlessly torment her until she dies for my nourishment. Heres some dried food to make things square.
>Sincerely, ship computer

It's an emissary of Holly. Holly decided to stay on her own.

>implying the computer wont feed Holly like it fed Wally, Kirbee and chic
>Implying that tricking her into believing she's living post WWIII life is not the best way to keep her "Sanity" in check

If anything the computer is doing Wally the favor of keeping Holly alive, something that Wally was going to fail at eventually.

Don't worry about it. Any discussion of KC is bound to bring his haters around. They jelly.

Wait a second...
>Concentrated food
>Concentrated... water?

it's got nothing to do with kc, but with shitting the entire poppy thread making the endtown fanbase like a bunch of morons. We literally have no morals to complain about Poppyfags, some anons have proven that endtownfags can be just as bad.

>>Concentrated... water?

Partially dehydrated water.

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I wished threads about webcomics I enjoyed had better moderation

that's fucking ironic.

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OHH VEYYYY

Collected from the Dehydrated Ocean?

it's lucranian tech, they can literally get anything from anywhere.

>TFW you realise the Lucranians have probably been to the Discworld...

>rereading the entire Wally arc from the very beginning
>Wally chasing after Holly
>'Welcome home, Wally...'
>that scene with the old crazy man who always came into the restaurant to order cake and left when he was told there wasn't any being served >save for one day where Linda actually makes some cake for her, he thanks her mistaking her as his dead wife, kisses her goodbye and just walks off into the night
>dies the next day
>the milk trial arc
>the entirety of it

I wished the comic would punch as hard as that again.

>Army survival kit.

Wait... that means it probably contains a few of one of the most versatile medical tools ever created.

I WAS RIGHT. IT IS A BOX OF CONDOMS.

Why is Kirbee so thicc?

>As hard as that again.

Huh? Between Chic, Jim and Holly there have been A LOT of emotional punches recently.

Aaron always seems to come back from a hiatus with slightly redesigned characters, and he already really liked Kirbee's personality...

I guess a big part of the issue lies within my interest for the comic dying in the long term. I just don't feel as engaged with chic and kirbee around. I find both to be very bland characters.

Man Holly has gone through so much shit, this is awful.
>lives quietly depressed and alone as a pointless waiter
>falls in love with someone willing to take risks and gives her reason
>so desperate she ropes herself along with him, to make sure he doesn't try to off himself as a hero
>saves a dead woman and helps her readjust to a new life
>casually helps a friend and gets arrested in inhumane conditions for about 3 months I think it was
>has to escape from a horror in a dark, enclosed space with a child while imprisoned again
>thinks her man is slipping because of a newcomer, and first few disagreements they've ever had
>had a decent, but downhill life brutally fucked by apocalypse
>chooses to live in a matrix, slowly dying, than continue any more
She went through a lot of shit, but damn am I gonna be sad to see her go. It's amazing she even had any mental fortitude left after she almost killed herself once being immediately free from the trial.

he's gonna turn her into a land whale once we get back from endtown.

I don't think Chic has had much of a chance to shine (in fact it almost feels like after the rewrite a lot of what would have been his focus moments went to Kirbee instead).

Kirbee however... yeah. I just can't get interested in her.

Ah well, that point I do understand. I don't agree with you and I actually like Kirbee and Chic, but I can undestand what you are saying.

We are going to pop back into Endtown very soon.

For Jackrabbit's political mayhem.

Oh god the Gocomics commenters are going to think End town is a Trump allegory.

i don't doubt it, they are fucking bricks.

it's nice of you to keep your cool in check in the face of a dissenting opinion while you state your disagreement. to that i might add I think kirbee is kinda cute in a way. Holly used to be cuter in the earlier strips but that's just me

See!? We can all get along!

I still think the postapoc threesome idea would have been a cool way to go...

I agree, That would have healed the crap out of them.

So Holly likely came into contact with and was in control of the copy (guessing she didn't say anything because, aside from anything else, the dittos can only talk onboard ship).

She also had enough time and peace to write that letter, and probably access to the actual ship rather than just a ditto illusion, since she obtained the survival kit. Yet the emergency case had to be smuggled out of the ship inside the copy.

Says to me that she's not the captain, but the computer is allowing her *some* freedoms.

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I don't get it
all I see is a thread with alt-text at the top

keep reading the thread if you dare.

It's far more civil than you suggest. And it pinpoints all the idiots ruining Endtown threads who only argue about waifus instead of discussing the plot.

If it offends you, it's because it's true. Waifu wars made those threads unbearable. We had such great beginnings during the explosion of Endtown's popularity, but now? How many drawfriends are still here? A lot of normal and level headed fans gave up on these threads and follow the comic without even dropping by.

And some of you waifu fucks even have the nerve to blame Aaron. It is you autistic fucks who treat everything personal and rage whenever the character you masturbate the most to gets the short end of the stick. I'm so tired of this. Even the fucking GoComics posts, while often dumb, are better than this cesspool you assholes made those threads to be.

Again, if you feel offended, you are part of the problem. I cannot imagine a sane person disagreeing that waifu autists ruined Endtown threads. I only hope it's reversible.

>be artist
>contribute with funny drawings to support Endtown threads
>love comic
>end up being ignored because of cheesecake artists and waifufaggotry
>stop doing art for the thread because it takes so much effort for no returns

I'd rather draw for Homestuck threads than Endtown. It's a damn shame since when I started there was a much more supportive group around the time I was drawing.

To be honest, if you need people patting you on the back to feel good about doing something, then it probably is not for you. But I get your disappointment. Everything fanart related got dirtier and less special when floodgates opened and porn poured in. Unfortunately a lot more people prefer to rub their dicks than to look at something fun or cute. It's enough to remember how quickly requests went from OC's to porn of MC's. Remember the OC's? We don't really get those anyomore, only porn (and even this well is drying up). It makes me sad.

I hope you keep on drawing and getting better and that you always get a lot of joy out of it, whether you get praise or not.

It's not so much praise as it is acknowledgement I'm looking for when I make art. I know it's pretty much crying for (you)s but the (you)s tell me that what I'm doing is something other people notice, whether they think the art is good or shit it doesn't matter as long as there's response.

I'd like to think it's a good exchange for actually producing content for a thread than the same 3 topics circlejerked to infinity anyway.

>making the endtown fanbase look like a bunch of morons
no need to worry about that, user. the endtown generals have already done that

not the drawfag you replied to, but if you draw something and nobody cares unless it's porn, it's natural to move to something else that is personally satisfying. Drawing is a form of communication, this isn't about getting pats in the back

That's pretty much what I was trying to get at, thank you.

>pic unrelated; made when Chic and Holly were being attacked by JimGod in Unity

I get you. I miss when most of Endtown fanart wasn't porn and we actually discussed it. Now it's all about the waifus and it makes me sad and angry, for reasons previously mentioned.

The most I can say is be the change you want to see? When I'm here I mostly ignore the waifu wars and just try talking about the comic, what's going on, or theorize what's happening currently. Sometimes I'll reminisce on older arcs or mention what I hope to see next. I'm just one person but I bet if more likeminded people got together and cultivated that environment we could see a change in these threads.

As it stands I'm personally glad we're heading back to Endtown and putting Holly and Wally behind us narratively speaking. I think it was a mistake to even leave with Wally to begin with, it gives the impression he's the main character when the foci protagonist for Endtown I don't believe fits into that category (see: Al and Gustine).

That's not the point, i am not suggesting waifufags don't ruin the threads, of course they do, but bitching and complaining about them, when theres none around, even com acting like waifufags themselves, is just as harmful and that thread is a percet example.

Also, a Poppy thread for fucks sake, we used to shit on them for being a cesspit of drama and bullshit, we are gonna be bitching and complaining on their threads about bullshit now?, they literally have all the right to hate us now for shitting their thread, these faggots proven that we are not better since we cant even contain the drama on our own fucking threads.

My point is that, constantly bringing this shit up without reason is just as fucking toxic as waifufags themselves, it gets OLD, fucking hell... let it go.

I really miss Al. Even in a secondary role. He was a fantastic unwilling hero and a voice of reason.

Yeah, like said, from now I'm focusing my posting on good and comic related things. I simply had to vent. This said, I hope it was a cold shower for at least a few waifufags, but I would not bet.

Enough. Comic talk now.

Do we agree that while it was the trial which made Holly relapse into her ptsd, it was Jimgod who fully awakened her trauma and made her truly unwell and unstable? He tried that shit with Wally too. She became more aggressive after that "How's the baby?" line (remember how stumped we were how harsh she was on Kirbee even while she was saving them all in Unity?), obsessive over Clive (who she had an unique connection with - she told him things she did not tell anyone else - and who was the most defenseles of them all), distrustful to others and so on? Would she be a mess, but repairable mess if not for I's mind fuckery?

>from now I'm focusing my posting on good and comic related things

it's for the best, Waifufags are a problem, all of them, but constantly derailing the thread and bitching about them is not gonna make them go away and only makes things worse. Ignore and just contribute to the actual discussion, implying of course there's any taking place.

PenAnon, Akunim and KC are around.

Jamil is busy with Jasper, DK is nowhere to be found, so is Kazen, Suule slammed to the door and left and I don't even know where Leon went.

Welp.

I think that's a fair assessment to make. On top of how generally fucked up the situation was I/Eye threw a previously traumatic and painful memory back in her face when she was outstandingly mentally vulnerable. Once her impulse for survival calmed down the damage seemed to have been done, which is evidenced by her increasingly erratic behavior.

What I'm curious about is how I/Eye is teased with influence or attempted influence over Wally. What was the point of the dream with the I/Eye balloon and him drowning in blood during that freaky dream sequence?

REMOVE KIRBEE FAGS

>it's got nothing to do with kc
At least three of those idiots were all about shitting on KC while everyone else told them to shut up.

Chic would've done more but Kirbee snubbed his role as "the new guy". It's bullshit that she "solves storytelling issues", she's causing them.

>Leon

he literally dropped some art last thread, he's around.

>All waifufags are cancer

You act as if he was wrong.


My point is not the context of the discussion. see If you really have terrible need to shit the thread up with waifufagottry and endtown bullshit in general, at least do it to the actual endtown thread. I don't particularly like poppyfags, but they don't deserve their to get their threads derailed with endtown drama.

You're full of shit. PenAnon mostly does gags and all his "fanservice" pics are jokes too and people love him. He only gets one or two replies nowadays and that doesn't make him stop.

This isn't a hugbox, in Sup Forums you deliver because you can. As long as one user gets benefited it should be enough.

This, Pen user never draws porn, yet he gets a lot of praise for being both funny, and dedicated.

Yeah, Kirbee totally snatched the five year old's opportunity to save Holly and Wally from the earthquake missile.

Penanon also is fairly new in terms of how long Endtown threads have been going on. Getting one or two replies for consistently making art is better than absolutely nothing for the work put in.

You're one of said waifufags trying to deny how awful you really are by claiming we're all the same. I can see through the bullshit just fine.

This is the first time our shit spilled over to another thread but it was because you got mad over getting mentioned in it. You just HAD to defend yourself, not realizing that showing how much you care is exactly the problem.

WALLY saved everyone from the earthquake missile. Chic was supposed to bond with Wally while being trapped in the ditto illusion, asking all the questions Kirbee did instead.

And don't you dare try to dismiss this by going "Was he gonna kiss Wally too?" like you don't know what I'm talking about.

Yup. And Jamil always gets a lot of love when he does art, too, and people liked Akunim's plain stuff plenty. Both of them are just busy with other stuff lately.

There's also the fact on the other side of things all Aaron's closest friends (including Selena, IIRC) have collaborated on risque and suggestive pieces.

>Implying i am defending waifufags in any way

You ARE just as bad, you do derail and shit threads by constantly bitching and moaning about the shit you "hate", as if you have a need to set yourself aside from that cancerous side of the endtown fanbase, to feel morally superior because you don't "partake" on waifufaggotry. Ironically, all you end up doing is fuel the fire, causing more and more drama than before.

Good going on shitting up the thread, btw.

If this was planned since the start doesn't Aaron's choice of adding Kirbee stand as an emotional rock for Wally upon Holly's departure at the end of the Ship Arc? Chic can't fill the role and after everything that happened in Endtown, Unity, and even the Ship it could be that Aaron thought Chic wouldn't be enough to stop Wally from succumbing to despair or get possessed by I/Eye.

InB4 Holly says in the letter that she's going to trick the computer into heading for the dead world next door "to make a home", then kill herself, thus immobilising and starving the ship and ensuring it can't entrap any more people.

I was the "stop fighting" guy over there. I'm saying HERE what it is relevant HERE.

>you do derail and shit threads by constantly bitching and moaning about the shit you "hate"
And this is bullshit you also said in the Poppy thread. We literally never had a problem with this before until you went and sperged outside the thread.

I miss DK and Suule's OC stuff. It was fun.

To add on this since I'm thinking more about the why: Kirbee's misplaced and infectious optimistic behavior wards Wally off from despair (and has a better time doing so) than a character who also came from a situation mired in despair.

Chic has absolutely no reason to be happy or optimistic. If Kirbee was absent in the narrative his escape from Unity would have been punctuated by Holly going crazy anyway and Wally exclusively having to deal with that by himself. Once we get on the ship Aaron would be beating the audience with the misery stick nonstop. Then afterwards neither Wally or Chic have strong reasons for wanting to keep going, at least if their optimism was dead.

To be fair, as with a lot of drawfags on Sup Forums a lot of discouragement also stems from mod/janitor faggotry and arbitrary deletion of original artwork.

>And this is bullshit

Yeah, the poppy thread did spectacularly well once you started complaining about waifufags

>We literally never had a problem with this before

Now this is some bullshit, we have had this issue multiple times, it's not specific to the poppy thread. It happens here all the fucking time and you know it, every time a waifufag shows up, regardless of being a legit autist or someone baiting, there's always some faggot who will start sperging out, screaming and yelling, about how the waifus are killing the threads, about how some readers have left yadda yadda yadda... I don't deny any of that, i believe it's true waifufaggots have driven away people and drawfags, (smagg comes to mind), but i find it funny and rather ironic, that you honestly believe that bitching about this shit on every single fucking thread, and even non endtown threads, is not remotely as bad or toxic as the waifufags themselves.

> smagg comes to mind

I haven't seen him anything Endtown sans Darkest Dungeon pic.

>Chic has absolutely no reason to be happy or optimistic.

Add to that, he's currently unaware his parents are dead, what's gonna happen when he finds out?, Thankfully Kirbee will be there for him.

Thing is, we have absolutely no idea how Holly has been reacting to the ship since (I think I'm right in saying) we can't confirm that we've seen her since she went in. She could be completely accepting the new reality that its offering or trying to take it down from within.

he came one day, dropped a futa holly pic, and left by straight up claiming he left because of waifuwars.

Futa Holly? Can you upload it somewhere? I don't believe I've seen it ever posted.

Imagine how good this thread would be if all the posts about waifus and all the posts complaining about waifus were instead contributing to discussion on the comic itself... Anyway, predictions on who wrote the letter? Bonus points if it's Marx

i don't have it unfortunately, i hate futa so i never bothered to save it.

well, thankfully we are only 80 posts in, there's still plenty of room to discuss shit when shit cools down.

Aren't thread limits done on images rather than posts?

i don't think so, no... 500 posts is the limit, after that thread autosages

One thing I wish we did get coming out of Unity was the aftermath and emotional catharsis from both Chic and Kirbee regarding their old home. Chic might not understand that it's likely his siblings and parents are dead. Kirbee saw her home burn, and heard the nursery and attendants were dead. They both lost something substantial but neither were allowed to linger on it since afterwards everything was devoted to Holly.

The closest was Chic being genuinely surprised about how Holly cared for her baby in the ditto illusion on the ship. Even that was fairly brief but I appreciated it for giving Chic a scrap of relevance in the storyline.

This is a good point, i actually asked Aaron about this one time.

"Chic hasn't had time to grieve. His world has completely changed, and he's still not quite fully aware that his parents are dead"

"Things will bubble to the surface over time, but keep in mind that, within the timeline of the strip, it hasn't been a full week since Unity burned. "

I suspect it we will see chic eventually trying to remember his parents and realize in painful and emotional endtown fashion that his parents are dead.

As for Kirbee, well, i have come to suspect that she wasn't really liked and trusted at all on the colony, and i am not talking about how they used to fool her yo go topside and hunt snipes, the fact that she wasn't with the rest of the girls in the nursery, laying eggs and taking care of children, and was instead assigned to care for the fungeons, kinda rises a flag for me, especially if you keep in mind how good Kirbee actually is with chic. Makes me think those girls from the nursery actually disliked Kirbee, to the point of completely hating her.

Point is, i don't think Kirbee has much to grieve for, if anything she's happier now with Wally who genuinely cares for her, as he made perfectly clear when he threatened to cut her tail just to free her from the rubble.

>Dungeons*

Shoulda stayed quiet, I thought it was a sly Wreck-It-Ralph reference.

oh dang, i just got that... ha!

I have to wonder how Aaron will frame Kirbee's past in Unity considering all the atrocity done there. If she was sent on missions intended to kill her, was excluded from being a reproducing female/youngling caretaker, and had a job taking care of the dungeons then just how culpable is she to what Unity did? Was she part of the uprising and massacre of the non reptilian population or was she locked in a closet while that happened? Was she even aware of what happened to the people captured from the wastes?

For that matter did she even know about Chic prior to the fires? It's a mystery but a fairly interesting one that can set where Kirbee's moral compass lies.

As far as Chic goes I'm hoping we do see some of that bleed through from him eventually. I have a feeling once this note is read and the group moves on we'll be cutting back to Endtown though.

In that case it'll be a year+ until we see Wally, Kirbee, and Chic again.

I honestly wish all the waifufags would leave.

These threads used to be entertaining, as much so as the comic itself.

Now, I can barely bring myself to read more than a dozen or so posts before closing the tab, hoping the next one might be better.

Oh, there's the magical solution to the whole "Holly fucked up and made the party lose their rations" dilemma.

Don't reply to it, he uses Catch 22 and makes you part of the problem to avoid admitting his own faggotry. Just ignore it, even if he replies back.

>I have to wonder how Aaron will frame Kirbee's past in Unity considering all the atrocity done there. If she was sent on missions intended to kill her, was excluded from being a reproducing female/youngling caretaker, and had a job taking care of the dungeons then just how culpable is she to what Unity did? Was she part of the uprising and massacre of the non reptilian population or was she locked in a closet while that happened? Was she even aware of what happened to the people captured from the wastes?

I wonder this too, Maybe she did not and that's why they hate her/distrust her.

>Things will bubble to the surface over time, but keep in mind that, within the timeline of the strip, it hasn't been a full week since Unity burned.

I also asked Aaron about this, He did gave me an answer that kinda confused me to be honest, he claimed that there was no way she knew about Chic's existence, even though i find that hard to believe since he was running around the kitchen serving lizards eggs to everyone. He did mention that, she would have tried her best to protect him if she had/

>In that case it'll be a year+ until we see Wally, Kirbee, and Chic again.

If everything goes well, and i am hoping it does.

I understand you are frustrated user, but look, bringing it up all the time does it no favors. I have been discussing stuff here for the past hour, why don't you focus on that discussion instead?, don't let the cancerous waifufags get to you, don't pay them attention.

Fuck you, this is the first comment I've posted in an Endtown thread in months, despite lurking, as posted, in every one, for varying lengths of time.

^ This is why I don't post. Ten points to you, I guess, for predicting that aspect of his response to me, though.

>this is the first comment I've posted in an Endtown thread in months

I though you were the user i was talking to previously. Still, I meant what i said.

>I also asked Aaron about this, He did gave me an answer that kinda confused me to be honest, he claimed that there was no way she knew about Chic's existence, even though i find that hard to believe since he was running around the kitchen serving lizards eggs to everyone. He did mention that, she would have tried her best to protect him if she had/

I remember that. It never felt quite right to me. I just chalk it up to Kirbee originally being a bit part character meant to serve a purpose and disappear with little actual thought given to how much actual sense she made, which unfortunately carried over when she became a main character.

In regards to why the other lizards are avoidant or dismissive of Kirbee maybe during the colony's early days she had family or friends who were different species? Maybe she knew a Typhoid Mary for that matter?

If either lines up maybe Kirbee stands as a warning to the path Endtown is walking down currently. What's a shame is unless Wally decides to go back there her experiences in what happens when a colony focuses on specieism go completely unused to preach to a populace poised to make similar mistakes. Jackrabbit's popularity is a worrying sign of those values appearing again. Once the Marys are gone, who is next? If everyone is going to embrace their furry personas does this give predators liscence to prey on the weak?

I'll admit, on the basis of imagining Jackrabbit get ripped to shreds by a hungry carnivorous Endtowner would be metal as fuck, if it reached that point there would be no saving it.

>Kirbee didn't know about Chic

I find that hard to believe given he worked in the kitchens, yeah. I know the head lizard was keeping him on the down low but he also was working in plain sight of anyone who eats in the colony like a waiter and bus boy rolled into one.

yeah, he really regrets not having developed her before introducing her into the comic, it's natural she feels off for some being a once gag character and all, but in time everything will fall into place once we start getting into her past.

>Kirbee maybe during the colony's early days she had family or friends who were different species?

it's possible, but kind of unlikely... i doubt she would have decided to stay on the colony of they had killed a family member or a very close friend. Or maybe she help them escape?, that still raises the question of why she decided to stay. I honestly doubt this is the case.

>If either lines up maybe Kirbee stands as a warning to the path Endtown is walking down currently. What's a shame is unless Wally decides to go back there her experiences in what happens when a colony focuses on specieism go completely unused to preach to a populace poised to make similar mistakes. Jackrabbit's popularity is a worrying sign of those values appearing again. Once the Marys are gone, who is next? If everyone is going to embrace their furry personas does this give predators liscence to prey on the weak?

According to Aaron, Jacob is actually taking it cool right now, so Endtown is probably gonna be just the same once we get back. I suspect Jacob's plan goes beyond control and mutant supremacy, but i am just guessing really.

>Jackrabbit get ripped to shreds by a hungry carnivorous

A fitting end, i would love to see that.

>I find that hard to believe given he worked in the kitchens, yeah.

yeah, i was completely baffled by his reply, but there's a lot of things we don't know about unity, so i hope we get some light on this once we get to Kirbee's backstory.

It does occur to me if Aaron is going to use the airhead idiot Kirbee ball then he could handwave it as Kirbee thinking Chic was the mascot to the restaurant the whole time and figured out when she officially met him that he was for real and not a costume.

Cheap excuse but could be believable on her context, given she thought snipe were real.