ITT: "Liberal" positions you hold

>Climate Change deniers are retarded
>The War on Drugs is a failure

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How the fuck are these two "liberal"? I've heard a lot of conservatives say these too

>Another "everything I don't like is Liberal" Thread

>War on drugs
>failure
>implying we ever fought the war in the first place.

On topic:

>Man made climate change is real, we need to take action ASAP.
>Wall Street and the 1% need to be brought to heel.
>Proper, universal healthcare is a goal we should work towards
>Some universities should be nationalized, given to students for free; however, they should only offer relevant courses designed to help people get real jobs.

pretty much the sole reason I'm still a cuck is the climate change denial and general anti-science attitude held by the right.
All sorts of bullshit convenient arguments to make it seem more defensible, like "the scientific journals are in cahoots", and "scientists are falsifying their data for profit" (like the oil companies wouldn't quadruple the offer to any group that could find contrary evidence).

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>that pic
>"liberal"

liberals are not leftists. liberals are right of center laissez faire capitalists that support "free trade" agreements just like their conservative counterparts. liberals also use identity politics to divide people along lines of alienated labor. right wing libertarians and liberals have the same fucking economists

I don't think interracial relationships would trigger Sup Forums nearly as much if it weren't for the low birth rates among whites coupled with high immigration. Seriously, they are like 2% of all relationships. If whites were breeding like the Amish, I doubt we would give a shit.

Learn about history and Progressives. The very sentencing and policing guidelines that black activists cry about now -- were demanded angrily by -- black activists years ago. The key is that leftists believe in Tabula Rasa and try to solve everything with legislation. When that doesn't work they decry their own legislation and push new laws. They never attack the root.
Check out Jacob Sullum's book Saying Yes.

Climate change is one thing, but tbqh as much as investment from the govt. into science like space exploration, etc. is cool and shit, I feel like it's a misallocation of resources. I'd almost rather see NASA spending which is just military spending under a different name cut completely and diverted to social programs instead.

leftists are just as anti-science when it comes to things like race and human differences

>You can kill babies
>You can have doctor assisted suicide

I prefer witch doctor so at least the spirtual journey will feel real.

In fairness, the modern "right" is anti-science in that regard, too.

I feel that those issues are just less important, and the damage done by ignoring them is not as irreversible. If our planet reaches a state of uninhabitably high entropy, we're fucked forever. Conversely, if the niggers infest the streets and start raping people in droves, eventually there will be a tipping point and realization and something will be done.

check crowder's recent debunk of some climate change myths

pretty good and he always is very well sourced

>Climate Change deniers are retarded
yeah! ban anyone from questioning our "science"! Never let it be critisizng! no you can't check out work, if you don't think it's right then clearly you don't belong in science, our "science" is so correct that it never needs to be verified or tested from a skeptic point of view! if you question it's validity then you're anti science, burn the witch!

Don't be a retard OP

The war on drugs is just there to help fund cartels and sap tax money

People should be responsible with the resources they have, and the quality of the country the live in.

>let the gays marry
>end the drug war
>obamacare would have been better as socialized medicine, if you go commie, go commie, don't half ass it

Trump 2016 tho.

Please stop

>Proper, universal healthcare is a goal we should work towards
>Some universities should be nationalized, given to students for free; however, they should only offer relevant courses designed to help people get real jobs.

Climate change is real, however India is the greatest contributor to mass death of plankton in the Indian Ocean, the 20% die off over the past 30 years coincides with the increase in temperature.

Evangelicals are absolutely insane, More so, they fail to gasp the Bible, in the sense of the word.

>Not realizing a proper healthcare system would be an upgrade for pretty much everyone, in comparison to the ACA
>Not realizing that Left-Wing policies have devalued a college degree to the extent that it's on-par with an old High School degree (Which the state pays for).

>If our planet reaches a state of uninhabitably high entropy
If that happens, it won't be because of humans.
I'm a big fan of conservation efforts, but that shit's just delusional.
If Earth heats up a few degrees the worst thing would be Africans flooding Europe.
And no, "something" doesn't just get done about it, lefties just stick to their sheltered neighborhoods and condemn anyone who points out the problem while everything else turns into South Africa.
>Some universities should be nationalized, given to students for free
If you're poor Community Colleges will pretty much do this.
1,000$/year including textbooks.
t. did this for 2 years before transferring.
If anything schools should be the ones putting students in areas that are more matched to their capabilities.

>Global climate
>more NASA funding
>Animal rights, just for dogs idgaf about others
>lower taxes

So pretty much any rubber-stamp pop politics

All drugs should be legal.
We need to help the black community, by killing niggers

Oh yeah this too. Sucks being a christian these days cause it attracts a lot and i mean a LOT of autists

climate change deniers and creationisms fags are retarded

more money should be put towards green technology

dude weed lmao

state role in health provision

higher taxes(military, education, science)

food stamps

>animal rights
>but just this animal

Literally just say dog rights you pleb.

This is the same as saying
>human rights

the war on drugs is retarded not because weed is good for you (it's not) but because it's financially irresponsible.

google prohibition.

see how the war on booze played out and then see why they got rid of it eventually.

>>Climate Change deniers are retarded
why call them retarded when they're just skeptical
>The War on Drugs is a failure
you need to stop transportation of drugs and coincidentally most of them come from mexican cartels

spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2008/tech_benefits.html

nah dog NASA's one of the best investments we've ever made, all that bleeding edge tech eventually trickles down to the market, if anything we should be doubling their budget. You can argue all that stuff would get invented eventually, but by whom and for what purpose?

> the "100% of scientists agree with MAN MADE global warming" meme.

Yeah, nah. The whole consensus is warped. Even a miniscule change that becomes irrelevant eventually is considered to be "we agree to global warming" aka "everyone will be dead in 50 years". Global warming in general? Sure.

eating meat, while not completely immoral, is still something that should be looked down upon. although full veganism goes a little far for me. I don't see why libs would be for abortion but think that eating unborn chickens or squeezing a cow's utters is cruel.

gay people are free to do what they wish, although I object to the marriage bit solely because I think weddings in general is soulless materialism. you shouldn't need a piece of paper and festivities to prove your love.

capitalism is shit, but so is socialism.,

patriotism is kind of stupid because most countries are awful.

(not being partisan is suffering)

>Climate Change deniers are retarded
Yes, I have four seasons where I live. Of course the climate changes. It's called weather. Fucking retards.

lol Americans

>why call them retarded when they're just skeptical
because they're retarded? I can almost understand the "nothing we do will change it" meme but it's delusion to think we have nothing to do with it and absolutely retarded to flat out deny it's happening, like do these people not read the weather report and use their own life experience? Or do they think it's normal for 1,000 year floods to happen over, and over, and over again? So often that they're not going to be called "1,000 year floods" soon because we'll have to reevaluate the statistics of such events?

Evolution is a complete fact. There is no way around it. This is one of the few scientific facts that isn't a part of the liberal agenda, and despite what some christfags might like to assert, it was not invented to destroy religion or some moronic bullshit like that.
Even without the fossil evidence, it HAPPENS. If you deny evolution, micro or macro, you must then deny genetic mutations, and therefore cancer.
However, I believe cancer might be a liberal lie, too, since I've never actually seen a picture o cancer. It's always diagrams.

Here are my views:

1. Corrupt Police need to be stopped

2. Free Healthcare (Includes Gender Transferring)

3. Gun Regulations (No one needs a full auto weapon anywhere, nor lever action repeaters. Single shot rifles and handguns are okay tho)

>more NASA funding
>lower taxes

ignoring the fact that you don't even live in the country that NASA operates in, you're a fucking retard.

post more than "lower taxes". that's the reason why your country is so shit. How and where would taxes be lowered?

reasons that make me want to lean-left

>drug war is dumb, only contributes to suffering through the mobilization of organized crime
>climate change has something to do with humans, and we should take better care of ecosystems, especially the oceans
>corporate social responsibility needs to have more lines drawn in the sand, e.g. if you dump toxins in the amazon river you need to take responsibility for it
>abortion isn't evil, it's just a medical procedure. keep it legal for the time being
>im cool with gay marriage, doesnt really bother me
>the military budget is just too big, both in gross numbers when compared to other countries and in proportion to our economy

really makes me think 2bh

>Fully automatic weapons

Good thing people don't actually have those, you fucking moron.

>Gender transfers
>Corrupt police

Top cuck.

KEKOLD: The Thread

I agree with the climate change position partially because of long term environmental effects but mostly because oil is inherently unsustainable and we need to transition to better sources anyway

but also while we're still dependent on oil I wish we could be entirely independent from the middle eastern supply, which probably doesn't line up with environmental protection in terms of the keystone pipeline, etc. but oh well

you lost me at gun regulations. guns in the u.s. are already regulated.

>2. Free Healthcare (Includes Gender Transferring)
no

im ok if you want to use bathrooms of your choice.
im ok if you want to be called "zir" instead of he or she or they

but, by the flying spaghetti monster, I will be damned if tax payer money goes to cosmetic procedures under the guise of """""mental health"""""

special snowflakes should be paying for it themselves

my fucking taxes are not going to anyone's gender dysphoria

if a girl can get hormones to become a boy, I should be able to get testosterone injections to build more muscle, AND it should come out of tax payer's wallet. any argument against this is pure hypocrisy.

War on drugs is a failure
Cops DO need to be held accountable for their unlawful actions

>Corrupt Police need to be stopped

no one holds the view that "corrupt police should be able to continue being corrupt" (corrupt police might hold that opinion, that's about it)

Try holding a better opinion about methods that are acceptable and unacceptable regarding stopping police corruption.

>We should cut military spending (ending cronyism could accomplish this alone)
>Raise top income tax by 5-10%
>Tax capital gains as income
>Give some incentives for renewable energy
>Legalize marijuana, decriminalize opiate use (kill hard drug/psychedelic pushers though)
>Forced net neutrality
>Break up monopolies
Far-right on other issues though.

>Climate Change deniers are retarded is a liberal position

You know conservatives used to talk about the protection of the environment in religious terms - humans are guardians of nature, etc. Nixon even created the EPA.
Nowadays they're so bought out by various industries that they won't even mention that, to a point where millennials like OP think that protecting the environment is a left wing thing.
Trump is not different in this also - he thinks the whole thing is a Chinese conspiracy.

I'm with OP

>really makes me think 2bh

Good, continue to do so. Your post is probably the best one in the thread.

>Climate Change exists
>implying it's not just bullshit (((data))) thought up by scientists at the request of the government to justify new regulations

This

>wants to stop hard drugs
>wants to legalize opiates
>wut

>muh corrupt police
>muh subsidized dick chopping
>muh gun control
so you're a fiscally conservative SJW?

>repeal 2nd amendment
>regulate gunfags to stop them from killing each other
>climate change is real
>neocon foreign policy/intervention is bad
>reduce military budget
>globalization is good

Homosexuality is okay.

>mfw Hayek was pretty much a social democrat and libertarians are in denial about it

>abortion is JUST a medical procedure
I'm not sure I understand this argument, what makes something JUST a medical procedure or not, the fact that a doctor is performing it?

>the military budget is just too big
true, and to bring Trump into it, I think his line of argument about this depends on how those funds are being used and he likely WON'T increase the budget in terms of sheer numbers

Socialism is great. The catch is you cannot have it in a multicultural society. Deep down I want to live in a socialist paradise but since this is "dibersdidy ids sdrenth" land, I am strongly against it

Meant to say we should kill off the current drug dealers. The drug wars would work better if we didn't have so much subversion and a border shared with subhumans though.

Carbon taxes and trading is a trillion dollar a year business, much larger than oil companies.
It's why Goldman Sachs is on the forefront of carbon tax trading.

Welcome to climate change 101:

Burning things produces two things: Carbon Dioxide and Carbon monoxide.

Carbon Dioxide is plant food (See photosynthesis) and Carbon Monoxide turns into Carbon Dioxide with Oxidation.

Suck my dick you scientifically illiterate faggots.

>I'm not sure I understand this argument, what makes something JUST a medical procedure or not, the fact that a doctor is performing it?
the circumstances mean everything.

a white women with a husband using it as contraception (one of the most common scenarios, counter intuitively) is arguably wrong. given the risk factors and moral implications, it's pretty messed up

a woman using it because she was molested (less than 2%, last i checked, of cases) and has her uncles seed, seems like a good reason to keep abortion around.

my point is it's a gray area. I think it's better left up to individuals to decide what's wrong/right, not the government.
in terms of funding, anyone under 21 should be eligible for abortion, upon the first two uses, after that, no government funding.

>true, and to bring Trump into it, I think his line of argument about this depends on how those funds are being used and he likely WON'T increase the budget in terms of sheer numbers
i agree, im lean more towards Johnson on most issues so I can't really comment on trump's policies. at minimum, it needs to be kept the same, at best it should be gradually and reasonably cut down

>Military spending is ridiculously bloated, we need to stop spending billions on projects which are cancelled. We've been using the same major equipment (tanks, helicopters, etc) that though have been upgraded are still 40+ year old chassis. We need to spend less, or simply commit and go through with replacement programs,

>Enviromental protection - America is unique because of its massive land natural beauty. National parks are awesome and need more funding, any major abuse of the environment should be met with felonies, not just fines.

I would say drugs is my only non conservative issue, but even then drugs being unregulated is not a conservative or liberal issue, it's a libertarian issue so it doesn't really count.

>Human rights should be protected by the Gov
>universal healthcare
>focus on creating green jobs and tech
>multiculturalism (as in like, the actual interaction and intellectual trade between of different belief systems and cultures) has historically been a great thing
>cut the military budget and spend it on improving public education instead

>Climate Change deniers are retarded

>The War on Drugs is a failure, only a brainwashed waste of carbon would disagree

>creationists need to wake the fuck up, the old testament should be taken as an allegory

>flat earthers need to realize that the thearoy was originally created as satire, not a viable possibility

>there is no reason for any type of rifle to hold more than 5 bullets. If you can't down a deer in that amount, you need more practice at the range.

>Solar and wind energy have been proven to be more cost efficient, renewable, safer and less detrimental to the environment than fossil fuel alternatives. The prices of solar panels drop ~10% per year. Nuclear is more expensive, but still a viable option for the future

>Gay marriage has been legal for over a decade in Canada, it's not an issue

>universal healthcare is better than pharma companies exploiting the population for $$$
though i don't believe that universal healthcare would be that good in a country with a population as unhealthy as the USA

>There should be no laws regarding automation. If a machine can do your job and a company is willing to invest in the technology, you can invest in a new career.

>anything that directly refutes established scientific fact is holding back humanity

>abortion is acceptable if a couple or single parent are unfit to care for the child (financially, mentally, physically, or any other reason that would fuck the kid up)

>Trump is a dumb cunt
So is Hillary, again your country is fucked. Change your electoral system, even if it means voting libertarian.

>non-violent drug offences should not mean jail time. Prisons should not be private, for profit enterprises

>military spending is way too high, military industry complex is just a bunch of war mongering jews under the guise or patriotism.

>American cops need to re-create their entire system. RCMP have to deal with natives and they don't have problems because they are paid a fair wage.

Races don't exist. Islam is still shit though.

all this summer falling for the obvious bate

>even then drugs being unregulated is not a conservative or liberal issue, it's a libertarian issue so it doesn't really count.

it depends on the context of "liberal", "conservative", "libertarian"

you could argue that in the american context, drugs became a conservative issue when presidents like reagan fueled the propaganda campaign that drugs undermined our family values by destroying communities via organized crime.

ironically, they failed to see that their approach is much like alcohol prohibition that is doomed to fail.

one drug lord goes down, another comes back up. illegal drugs are too profitable to pass up

at one time pablo escobar was considered a public enemy, these days it was el chapo

>my point is it's a gray area. I think it's better left up to individuals to decide what's wrong/right, not the government.
I can agree it's morally grey, mostly because of the intersection between mother and child rights, if I had to choose a position I'd make it legal through the first trimester and situational afterward
the two free uses is an interesting strategy but hard to imagine how it'd play out

>im lean more towards Johnson
I voted for him in 2012, but his recent comments showing support for the TPP, carbon tax, basic income and open borders made me question him entirely
not to mention his recent sperging out over the term "illegal immigrant" and praising hillary clinton as a "wonderful public servant" while repeatedly condeming trump as racist and "a pussy"

ebin

It's actually working quite well for norway and denmark

i agree with pretty much all of these

Replace prisons with Buddhist monasteries
Mandatory military service or conservation/community service for 1-2 years
Abolish interest on loans, no central banks

Every dane and norwegian I've asked about it says otherwise

>particulate matter and gases including methane (CH4), sulfur dioxide (SO2), and nitrogen oxides (NOx), as well as carbon monoxide (CO).

Negroes and Muslims are much more problematic than having to crank up the AC

>over 4,000 American troops died in iraq

>the first trimester and situational afterward

yeah it's pretty much that way already. i think no questions asked before the first trimester, situational (the mother's health, mainly) thereafter is an arbitrary yet fair line in the sand.

i think people's problem with abortion comes from the misguided "defense of life" stance that is full of holes and based on theological support rather than rational debate.

>Johnson
i dont agree with johnson on everything either, but I hope that in this election (myself included) people will realize that two major parties searched through 300+ million citizens and came up with two : hillary clinton and donald trump. That's a damn shame. Gary winning is just a little wishful, but gary getting 15% of the national vote for the lib. party to be included in the debate would be nice and now I think we would be getting somewhere

I know. I was pointing out the guy I quoted. I don't agree with his statements.

I'm a National Socialst so I have a bunch of liberal positions.
>green
>pro-choice
>secularist
>take care of my fellow countrymen
>strong welfare state
We just need exclusively white people to pull it off.

DUDE

jesus was a liberal

modern white people are trash, look at yourself for example. Betas are fucking scum.
Not to mention white trash (a good chunk of the US), chads, and nu-mite cucks. They'd destroy this country even worse.
Old school strong and smart populations ain't coming back

I'm pro-abortion, and I'm in favor of the government paying for it because the people who can't afford to pay for their own abortions are precisely the people who should not be raising children.

agree, i think under 21, women should get two free abortions

after that, if she still needs an abortion lets just hope she finds another way to remove her genes from the gene pool

Jesus was a leftist, he believed in egalitarianism.

Jesus sounds like the coolest person in histroy, regardless of if he really lived or not. Everyone should try to be like him.

>it's fine to mock creationists and it's bullshit to say they're on the same level of truth as evolutionary scientists
>the war on drugs is and always was a terrible thing in both a waste of taxpayer money and for its creation of cartels due to contraband
>we should have gone full single payer healthcare if not outright public healthcare, not this pro-insurance company bs
>it really doesn't bother me if gays can get married. As I'm not gay, I don't see how it affects me.
>we need far better reform of the police system than what we're doing
>I'm fine with abortion before a certain point and in certain circumstances
>climate change is real and oil is not an infinitely sustainable system so we really need to switch to more renewable energy
>mental health care gets nowhere near the funding and facilities it requires, and the government should foot the bill. John Locke himself said that government's duty is to take care of those that cannot take care of themselves, and I can't think of anyone that fits that description better than the mentally ill.
>go full protectionist. The US was one of the most rabidly protectionist economies in history prior to WW2, with giant tariffs on anything not American-made.

somewhat arbitrary, yes, but everything I've seen on the subject suggests that this is the point when important aspects of the nervous system develop resulting in pain receptors, early consciousness, etc.
if we get to the point where technological process allows fetal viability within the first three months then shit, we'll have to reevaluate this, but it's as close to non-arbitrary as I think we can come

as far as having a viable third party, I'm with you there, but after watching the Libertarian convention shitshow and following Gary I just don't believe in him at all either, Austin was the Libertarian Rubio but he's the only one I could have seen carrying the torch for the party's core values

Id still give a shit. It's the most disgusting, and degenerate thing people can do. Worse than trannies, faggots, and even otherkin.

>people that talk about climate change instead of population control/pollution are fucking dumbass, establishment dick sucking, submissive, propaganda cuckolds.

Climate change always happens. Increased changes in the climate can be a symptom of something else, but fighting MUH CLIMATE CHANGE is like fighting fucking death while ignoring the causes.

Fuck your (((climate change))) koolaid. I'll be over here trying to stop overpopulation and pollution.

Also the federal reserve is all that really matters. Everything else uses the 1 resource that hellish institution pumps out.

>pro choice (but mostly because it kills shitskins at a high rate so maybe not that liberal)
>pro gay marriage, opposing it just makes them martyrs and gives them more power/attention
>marijuana should be medically available to anyone with a doctor's prescription and recreationally available to anyone 21 or older

The main issue with climate change isn't whether it's real or not, but can we do anything about it. The answer is no unless we can get the entire world to cooperate with us. The US alone could, at most, contribute 15%

Tbh subsidizing passive birth control ( like an iud) for students would be fine, too. They last 5 years, so two rounds of it would probably work, and it would save a lot of money in the long run.

>war on drugs is a failure

this is somehow leftist or liberal?
what the hell? its tantamount in fact to "the earth is not flat"

>thinking raising crime rates and stable drug usage rates is not a failure

I don't oppose broad abortion rights.

However, I no longer view those rights as a Constitutional or public policy imperative; I wouldn't oppose restrictive legislation in my state either.

Oh, and i forgot one
>the military budget is too high, and it's primarily because we let companies like Lockheed set whatever prices they want due to government contract. We need to fix this, even if it means price fixing. The miltary's purpose isn't just to be a jobs program for the arms industry.