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>TV-MA
Welp, they've already fucked it up. Did anyone actually ask for that? I didn't even know they were making a new Star Trek until you guys took your shilling up a notch, but a trailer just played while I was watching that 70's show and the rating was mature. I knew of the grimdark meme but I never thought they would take it this far.

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>Did anyone actually ask for that?
The 500 million Star Trek fans in the world want more Star Trek.

That's why they watched The Next Generation
That's why they watched Deep Space Nine
That's why they watched Voyager
That's why they started to really enjoy Enterprise in it's final season.

This show is built on the grounds that the Star Trek name will be enough to attract those fans and the people who liked the recent action movies. It will attract them, draw them in and gradually lose them over the course of a season unless they can do more than have some flashy sfx and action scenes.

Everything we've learned about the series so-far paints a picture of a creative team that's more interested in trying to please studio executives running focus groups than in actually making a competent Star Trek show.

They're almost deliberately taking a shit on the established fanbase at this point because they're convinced that simply checking off demographic boxes they'll draw a new, bigger audience. It will not pay off.

>TV-MA
That's because there will be a really tasteful and unforced sex scene with extreme closeups on the two women's bodies while some light dub-steppy music plays. Fade to black and then they are in bed with the blankets up to their breasts talking about the stress of command and what they should do to solve the Klingon problem.

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>STD reboot, erases Kirk & Picard
>Starts over because, fuck fans
>Starts over because it's easier to ignore previous established content rules
>They don't care about the American audience anymore, it is purely made to cash in on the world market
>They've learned nothing about the new Ghostbusters & Star Wars debacles
>They truly do not care

All I can say is, do not reward their carelessness by spending a dime All Access, nor watch any of it if available globally.
If STD succeeds it will destroy the legacy that is Star Trek, and from what I can see that is what they want to do.

Reminder that Soneqa Martin-Green thinks she is the first black lead in a Star Trek series

That tells you how much the people involved in this show know or care about Star Trek except as a paycheck

>releasing your multi-million dollar flagship show on a third-rate streaming service that nobody cares about or is even carried by the majority of cable/satellite providers
How do you fuck up this badly?

>Soneqa Martin-Green thinks she is the first black lead in a Star Trek series

Those uniforms look horrible. The gold is so wrong on a uniform. Worse than the cheap looking Enterprise uniforms.

>white daddy figure who dies in first episode
>old white man
>fat ugly ginger woman
LMAOING RITE NOW

Should they just let Star Trek die or is it still worth making another show that's just like the previous six shows even though it likely wouldn't be profitable?

STD is what happens when you let studio executives run a show - everything basically becomes 'design by focus group'.
>Let's make our lead a black female, statistics say that'll play well with the younger minority audiences!
>But let's also make her Spock's secret half-sister who no one's ever heard of, that'll be enough to satisfy that nerds.
>And let's put the whole thing on a streaming service to force people to pay to see it, that won't backfire at all.

Bronze = Ops/Engineering
Silver = Science
Gold = Command

It's the badge, the uniform sides as well as on the soles of their boots

Did she actually say this?

>That's why they started to really enjoy Enterprise in it's final season.

Negro that was stockholm syndrome. Enterprise was the good kidnapper to voyager's bad kidnapper.

I hate SJW pandering so much. Star Trek has always been diverse without acting like it is some sort of massive achievement. Nu-Males should be gassed.

At least the Enterprise uniforms had the kind of nice jumpsuit/sub crew aesthetic to them, and the red, gold, and teal shoulder bars were easy to distinguish.

Doing the fields as bronze, silver, and gold - three colors that are barely distinguishable on a darkly lit soundstage - is fucking retarded

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She did. The interviewer then changed the quote to first female black lead when people bitched and spammed her with pictures of Avery Brooks disapproving (see ) and has since deleted the tweet linking to it because she is both retarded and hugely unethical

Don't forget:
>co-produce the show with Netflix
>give them distribution rights outside of the US
It's like they thought holding the show hostage on their streaming service was a good idea but didn't realize that they're getting cucked by Netflix in the end

They look like a bunch of cunts

Why not just wear a badge then?

I want out of this timeline

That's like asking why a JRPG character needs three belts

I'm pretty optimistic, serialized TV will be something new for Star Trek and the show really does need a new bent after 18 years straight of episodic content that ultimately fizzled out. Also apparently CBS is throwing tons of money at it because they need a GoT-like flagship series to make their all access gambit work.

>blacks
>women
>gays

I really don't care, I'm secure enough with my life that this shit doesn't bother me in the slightest. I am a little concerned about what they're doing with the Klingons but I'm going to wait and see how it plays out before I cast too harsh a judgement. I fucking despised Into Darkness so if the show is just riddled with hollow references I'm going to get sick of it pretty damn quick.

Looking forward to new the things, hesitant about the shit that looks like it will fuck with the canon, worried about dumb references.

Honestly I do not care if the lead is a black female or not. The fact that it erases Kirk, Picard, and everything since, that is what has me outraged.
It's a HUGE FY to fans.

Pssh, like, oh my god, seriously? Badges are, like, so patriarchal,like I just can't even right now, you're triggering me so much.

>I really don't care,

Nobody cares. We're angry because it's designed to piss off old fans and nothing like Star Trek. Racism/sexism is an everything-proof shield the producers are using to not have to listen to criticism of the style and disregard for established canon

>serialized TV will be something new for Star Trek
>what is Deep Space Nine?
>what is the Xindi Arc of Star Trek Enterprise?

Where did they say that they're erasing kirk and picard?

Neither of those shows were designed from day 1 to be a completely serialized storyline. DS9 was classic episodic star trek with a few seasons following a loose dominion war timeline with episodic stuff sprinkled in. Enterprise did have the Xindi arc, but that was 1 season of a desperate about to be cancelled tv show that wasn't meant to be serialized in the first place.

Having a clear sense of story from the onset and zero episodic content is most definitely a first for Star Trek.

>Uniforms not color-coded even in trimming
>Fuller not involved
>it's focusing on being a pandering vehicle instead of actually doing something with the universe

you have to be high to think this is going to be anything but hot garbage

It has been stated in several articles that it is a reboot that will have no connection to any of the previous Star Treks.
It is all over the internet, and several published articles. Jason Isaacs even confirmed it in several interviews during the Las Vegas convention.

We don't know enough to be able to decide if its a pandering vehicle where each episode dedicates itself to jerking off an oppressed minority or not. Gonna have to wait and see.

>but I can tell just from the promo materials!

Get me some lotto numbers then, I need a new house.

So this happens after the TOS pilot but before TOS right?

How do you go from pic related to to the TOS uniforms?

>theverge.com/2017/9/22/16341616/star-trek-discovery-premiere-explainer-series-cbs-all-access

We can be critical of the show without having to make shit up.

>I fucking despised Into Darkness
and it's pretty much shot cinematography wise the same way

You might want to get your head checked, this series looks shit for everything and but including the things you listed due to "___-ism" card if a certain avenue of the show falls flat or the entire thing is a sham, it's always the -isms.

>guys it's not enough to just look at a piece of excrement, you have to actually put it in your mouth

ok bud i'm sure they'll fucking dazzle us by making a last-minute switechroo and manage to be really fucking good and deep with the only person that understood anything about Star Trek being booted off during the earliest stages of production and all

No, it is starting a new timeline that is neither the Kelvin, nor the Prime.
Star Trek Discovery is a completely new re-start.

Why are people even concerned with trying to match the aesthetic of the original show? In HD you can see the fucking seams in the cardboard sets and pretty clearly tell that all the "screens" on the bridge are backlit print-outs of planets. Hell even TNG is aging like milk considering that most of the interior shots of the enterprise-D look like cheap hotel rooms.

I'd rather they try to match the tone and writing then try to match outdated shitty visuals.

One of the new actors gave an interview where he literally said he wanted to piss existing fans off and dated them not to watch. These people know the show is a dumpster fire and they don't give a fuck.

I mean I see no problem in trying out the show. I'll be pirating it since I sure as shit won't be using CBS' streaming service. If it's good I'll continue. If it's bad I won't. It doesn't seem that hard.

I keep searching for evidence of your claims and have yet to find anything. Do you have any sauce to back up what you're saying?

Why should I care about an actors knowledge of Star Trek lore? They just need to perform the script well.

Source please, the dozen or so articles up on google right now from the past 48 hours are saying its in the prime universe.

>these people will be able to mooch some of the eternal Trek convention autismbux the other show's actors currently get

it's not fair. They didn't earn it

>Uniforms not color-coded even in trimming

they are, just poorly. command is gold, ops is bronze and science is silver. and medical has a white uniform instead of blue which at least solves the problem of "my gay lover's console just blew up, who do I run to for help"

Not that person you've been replying to, but you really lack reading comprehension, don't you?

>takes place in the franchise's original continuity

I mean that guy posted a source. Do you have one?

This I guess

At least I won't be supporting it financially

you know it's going to be Midnight's Edge.

how are they getting 'cucked'/ripped off by Netflix?

CBS doesn't have nearly as much influence outside the US to get people to sign up for a streaming service. if not as many sign up as they want as a result they can probably just make a deal with Netflix or Hulu or Amazon or someone else to put the show on their service or let people rent the show specifically on their service.

it's a much better idea than making a seventh or whatever number rehash of the same show to try to appeal the small number of classic trek fans that sometimes watched the most recent versions of the show.

maybe after they make a show that's actually much more popular than the recent show versions of star trek they can actually deliver something more similar to the old show versions and that might get a decent number of new viewers.

Enterprise eliminating so much of the color blocking was a big gripe. Same with tmp
People enjoy being able to quickly identify members by color.
Std makes it kinda hard

Trekkies seem to forget that the best star trek material was made by non-fans. Even Nemoy was always at arms-length from the material. The guy that directed Nemesis was the hardest hard core trekkie ever to sit in the directors chair for one of those movies.

Star Trek was good because it had good characters and well written stories that were good -outside- of being connected to star trek. Being an expert in dilithium crystals and ferengi gender norms doesn't make you a great writer or director for this particular property.

>Nu-Males should be gassed.
You want every Trekkie that doesn't like TOS to die? That's evil.

they said the same shit about DS9

I think its supposed to be after enterprise, before star trek in general

>>I'd rather they try to match the tone and writing then try to match outdated shitty visuals.

Matching the visuals is possibly the only thing you can't fuck up in CURRENT YEAR while the other two elements you mentioned can get lost in translation like tone and writing.
I agree on aesthetics but you seriously can't be this retarded to see how shit the writing is already painted on the wall with all the showrunner garbage interviews with Klingons=modern political statement.

What?

Those original collars are so comfy. I dug the Forbidden Planet style jackets they wore on the planet too. I'd have been stoked if a Trek prequel series had matched props and played 100% straight with no campy wink wink about it.

This happens 10 years before TOS

The Cage happened 13 years before TOS

Hasn't Science fiction and especially Star Trek always featured examining politics in a sci-fi setting?

>Trekkies seem to forget that the best star trek material was made by non-fans. Even Nemoy
>Nemoy

Yeah this post explains a lot

>Properly color coding the uniforms to match the timeline means you have to use cardboard sets

you're straight up retarded my dude

HEY GUYS WE GOT THIS NEW HOT STAR TREK SERIES OOOPS IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE FUCKING STAR TREK AT ALL BUT DON'T WORRY WE HAVE ALL THESE DEEP PLOTS ABOUT BISEXUALS AND SHIT

Reminder that people had the exact same reaction before TNG aired because "it's not muh Trek"

They were proved wrong, and y'all will be as well

>asking a rhetorical when not even knowing the proper question

You know it's possible to match the aesthetic while just upping the production value and keeping the general tone right? Like, Jesus you people must be retarded.

>That's why they are watching The Orville

fixed it for ya bruh

same with DS9

>this is not muh trek, this is not what Rodenberry intended

Discovery will be fine with moments of kino, like every Trek before it and every Trek after it

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TNG is literally the Reddit of Star Treks.

Klingons have always been authoritarian tribalistic war-mongering xenophobic "alpha male" types. How is comparing to them to the modern far-right anything new at all? The comparison works even better when you consider that the federation is a peace-loving multicultural socialist utopia, and the two are pretty much at war. This shit writes itself.

MA just means they can focus on adult content. I don't want it dumbed down for kids or to be family friendly. war is ugly, adult relationships are intimate, i want to see adult content, not content curated to braindead breeders.

Are you saying that Nemoy's director work for Star Trek wasn't good? Or are you trying to say that Nemoy was some sort of star trek super-fan?

Damage control

Yeah, no. That show has 4 million viewers and is hemorrhaging. It's dead, Jim.

and that why they started to love The Orville

this post reeks of stupidity in the highest order

please do not procreate

Yes, it's shit writing
>drawing actual linear correlations and willing to eat the shit directly from the writers' mouths
The fact you already took the meme description of a facet of our political spectrum to align to Klingons makes me think you'd defend ST:D at this point even if it had a scene with raping babies.

If it were so easy to do they would have already done it.

I mean I'm sure there are plenty of legitimate grievances. Why make shit up?

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expect them to be undisciplined

They did do it already

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_and_Tribble-ations

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_a_Mirror,_Darkly

>please do not procreate
hit a nerve there did I?

>prequel
>klingons will just be bad sexist villains that wont respect the femcaptain and femcommander
>all action no substance

more like closeups of some gay sex between starfleet officers. enjoy your STD!

>believing shit without a source

> the meme description of a facet of our political spectrum

What meme description?

On the other hand, how much does Orville cost per episode? 600k, maybe?

STD is $8 million per episode. And since it is on a streaming service nobody uses, people will have to go out of their way to watch it.

STD is going to have a mega audience for the premier episode that actually plays on TV, but let's see how many people take the plunge and pay for it monthly after that.

>kino
No you just smell

>alt right
Its either right or left, there's no 'alt'
Or a lot more people need to start learning the horseshoe theory

That isn't updating the aesthetic, that is literally just inserting characters into the old aesthetic. I was expecting you to find a fan film where someone figured out how to make spock's science periscope look like an actual believable prop or something.

user is pointing out you can't even spell Nimoy correct.

actually all Trek is reddit. in fact, all network TV is reddit.

>inb4 CBS shits the bed and just offloads it to Hulu

ENT had the science periscope and it worked fine

>enterprise femcommander
>never ever wrong
>rarely smiles
>snarky with the captain
>hot and wanted

Netflix footed most of the bill seeing as it's marketed as a Netflix original outside of the States.

But yes releasing a show on a new "exclusive" streaming service seems like an idea so bad it almost can't be real.

>Barely distinguishable uniforms
They do know this is a visual medium I hope...

horseshoe theory has been largely debunked, it's one of those "this makes me feel smart and comfy" ideas that doesn't really hold up except in the most superficial circumstances.

If you consider neo-cons to be the traditional platform of the modern american right-wing then what we are seeing from Donald Trump and his supports is very much an alternative to that which is where the term comes from. Also you have to remember that "alt-right" was a self-created label by the very people that wanted to separate themselves from the political establishment of mainstream republicans.

It's going to be a disaster.
I can't wait.