So I saw pic related with my gf last night and she mentioned that the film scared her...

So I saw pic related with my gf last night and she mentioned that the film scared her. I gave it some thought and then realized that there are a few horror elements here and there...or is it just me?

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it's unironically Lovecraftian

A pretty big part of the plot revolves around an unstoppable killer hunting a person down, like a slasher movie.

Is the book as good as the film?

Yes, they're pretty much on par with each other. The book is almost exactly like the film, since it began as a screenplay McCarthy couldn't sell. The only real differences are more backstory for some of the character and the hotel shootout happening differently.

I mean life is pretty evil in No Country for Old Men.

Thanks, m8. I'll make sure to buy it one day. It's a shame that there aren't more films like this.

Chigurh was played flawlessly by Javier, the dudes a ruthless killing machine who plays by fundamental rules. Note how he doesnt kill the secretary when she stands her ground against him demanding the address of moss, he respects her and lets her live.

also without a soundtrack, that fucking shotgun is like the ultimate jumpscare

they should have made chigurh played by the alien from alien

Why are McCarthy's books so good on film? It's almost like they were written for the cinema. I can't tell if it's McCarthy or the directors.

Were those cords behind the gas station attendant supposed to resemble nooses?

I doubt it, they're just automotive belts.

He was absolutely going to kill her if a witness hadn't shown up.

Did you even watch the movie, he was infuriated and was gonna torture/kill that bitch to get the info on Moss, until he realized there was someone else there and it wasn't worth the hassle. Chigurh didn't respect her at all, his disgust was written all over his face for the entire scene.

>hasn't scene The Counselor

the book is shit too, probably not the director's fault but the movie is still terrible

Would you step out of the car please, sir?

mccarthy's thoughts are larger than life, he is pretty cut-off from the world and does nothing but hangout with genius autists in new mexico

Sugar was an autist who got mad when people didn't answer him correctly or did something he perceived as a slight even when it was totally innocent. "He played by a set of rules" is actually the opposite of the movie. He represents chaos

The Counselor isn't a book. And it's pretty obvious that the movie's failing are Ridley's fault; all of the typical McCarthy stuff is there and works fine, but the direction makes it obvious that Ridley didn't understand what he was doing. Even after he fucked it up, it's not terrible if you're a fan of McCarthy's.

shit you're right I'm a fuckin idiot, not sure why I thought it was adapted from a nonexistent book. I haven't seen it recently enough to comment on if it was bad because of the direction or writing, but I remember thinking it was an incredibly disjointed film with little in the way of a coherent theme. Scott can be a bit of a butcher, his films seem really hit or miss.

He broke his own rules by killing Carla Jean because she wouldn't entertain his autism

I'm not so sure. Chigurh fancies himself an unstoppable instrument of god or fate but he isn't. He merely uses it as an excuse to deflect responsibility for his actions. He makes mistakes, gets hurt, lucks out. He isn't an omnipotent force. That being said he's seen as supernatural by Tommy Lee Jones's character which is the point I guess. The ending is so good it hurts. I always felt that the car accident was God's/fate/nature's punishment for killing what's Carla, even though she refused to call the coin toss.

He didn't really break his rules with her, though. Moss bargained away her life because of his own arrogance, and Chigurgh was going to collect on that. Him offering the coin toss was just him being more merciful than he thought he needed to be; when Carla Jean wouldn't play along, he reverted back to his original deal with Moss.

its scary because its realistic

most horror movies arent very scary to adults because theres no such thing as ghosts or demons or whatever meme movie monster

but a hitman coming to kill you is something that happens to real people and you know you'd be fucked if it happened to you, and the protagonist doesn't even win due to being the protagonist like in most grounded thriller movies, he gets iced just like what would happen to an everyman in the wrong place at the wrong time in reality

But the whole point of the coin toss is Chigurh passing off the responsibility. He sees himself as an agent of fate, and he believes it's fate that decides who he kills. The whole point of the scene is that Carla Jean disrupts this conception by simply refusing to participate in his game.

He killed Brolin's character's wife just because she stood up to him and refused to play his game. I think the movie specifically tried to show that there are no 'rules' in the (movie) world - no morality, no codes of honour, no justice. Even though AC was "punished" by Carla's death, it was just a random accident that not even he was capable of predicting.

He's passing off responsibility either way. He didn't go there to offer her a coin toss, he went there to kill her because he made a deal with Moss. He only offered the coin toss to humor her insistence that he had a choice. In his view, he's not breaking his code; she probably did mess with his head a little bit, but again, he went there to kill her in the first place.

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>him being more merciful than he thought he needed to be

I don't buy that explanation. Do you seriously think, after seeing him act throughout the movie, that him offering the coin toss was mercy?

This,
Is wrong

at least you gf´s son like it?

No, I worded it better, here: . He did it as a way to demonstrate that he doesn't have a choice. The scene plays out like this from his perspective:

>Chigurgh goes to kill Carla Jean because that's the deal he made with Moss
>Carla Jean says he doesn't have to kill her
>Yes I do, I made I deal
>No you don't
>It's not up to me, your husband made a deal
>It is up to you, you have a choice
>Fine, how about I toss a coin to make you feel better?
>I won't call it
>He kills here anyway, just like he always planned

Chigurgh thinks he's an agent of death that was just carrying out the end of a deal he already made.

do you think the coen brothers could tackle a blood meridian film?

>Chigurgh thinks he's an agent of death that was just carrying out the end of a deal he already made

It seems your interpretation of Chigurh being an agent of death is based on Chigurh's own belief that he is. If that's true, then you know well enough that Chigurh learns how wrong he is in the very same sequence where he's hit by an absent minded driver. Note that, just before being hit, AC is "playing by the rules" as in his light is green - yet this does not save him. In fact, I feel like him asking the kid for his shirt is a little humiliating, something he tries to cover by forcing the kid to take money in exchange.

You may also recall the sequence of him patching himself up. It works as a way of showing he's a man - ruthless, effective but in the end vulnerable (he's limping, has to steal to steal meds, strips himself down and so on) as a human being.

I feel like you're also downplaying the effect Carla's stubbornness had on him and his "philosophy" but I'm not sure if I can remember why.

Finally, above isn't exactly my finding, I'm mostly quoting Rob Ager's essay "Was Anton Chigurh a supernatural character" - sadly, it was taken off YT and I can't find a copy elsewhere.

This was a good film with great characters, a decent script, excellently direct but with a fairly shitty third act (albeit the end was great with TLJ)

Indeed, the unstoppable force of the killer is why it’s “no country for old men”.

it was very tense and suspenseful in theaters. i don't know if scary is the right word

because this is a movie women (and most americans) dont understand
they stuff happening and people getting hurt but they just dont get it

fuck off

More specifically, it's "no country for old men" because Ed Tom doesn't feel capable of comprehending or understanding that kind of evil. The title is also a reference to a Yeats poem

No

I disagree, having Chigurh be a supernatural entity takes away from the bleakness. I believe mundane horror, things one man does to another are in many ways worse than another creature preying on humans.

Alternatively, if they're not worse, then they can produce long term feelings of uneasiness and general moodiness. Compare that to the short term frights that come from a supernatural threat - you're scared and a day/hour after the movie's over, the fright is gone. Unless you get nightmares, but that's something else...

it's just you faggot

>your interpretation of Chigurh being an agent of death is based on Chigurh's own belief that he
I don't think he's supernatural, and I never said I do. I just said he thinks he is. And I don't think I'm downplaying anything; we know how he sees himself, and we know he went there to kill her. She didn't really challenge his system, because in his mind, he's still just carrying out his deal with Moss. If anything, people who think she shook his beliefs are downplaying Chigurgh self-image and probably misunderstanding why he went to Carla Jean's house in the first place.

And yeah, that's the point of him getting hit by the car. That scene is all about him insisting he's above everything and his actions are just him serving cosmic just. Then, he gets hit by the car as a way of showing he's fallible.

I seriously doubt Chigurh believes himself to be supernatural. He's an extremely capable mad man who lives by a set of strict principles, like a philosopher hit-man. It's never implied that he sees retrieving his property as a god-sanctioned act, it seems more a matter of someone crossing his path and violating his principles. His principles are what defines him.

I agree though that Chigurh isn't particularly swayed by Carla Jean's plaintive complaint that "he has a choice". Chigurh seems to see it as a logical extension of his conflict with Moss, and only appears annoyed by Carla Jean's inability to see the world the way he does. The dude doesn't seem particularly rattled, just mildly miffed that she wouldn't play along.

>its scary because its realistic
Exactly. I think it's more thriller than horror in this regard.

It's like the first season of True Detective. Monsters and ghosts don't bother me a bit; a retarded, incestual hillbilly serial killer made my skin crawl.
I legit had a nightmare after the last few episodes. The only other movie that caused that was the original Exorcist when I saw it as a kid.

There was someone taking a shit next door and Sugar didn't hang around to find how bad the room was about to stink

Is your gf pretty?

>Note how he doesnt kill the secretary when she stands her ground against him demanding the address of moss, he respects her and lets her live.
I see all those replies so I know someone has mentioned this already, but he lets her live because he heard somebody else flushing the toilet and knows they aren't alone.