>For the first time in DC Comics history, Batman has been described as a self-harming adolescent. In Tom King’s Batman #12, the caped crusader pummels his way through hundreds of soldiers, struggling to make his way to Catwoman and her new ally, Bane. The text juxtaposed with the action is a confessional letter Bruce Wayne wrote to Selina Kyle, presumably before the events of the comic, and in it, Wayne describes a ritual he enacted in order to become Batman.
>“I was ten,” Batman says in the comic. “I got one of my father’s razor blades, and I got down on my knees. I put the metal against my wrist. The edge scratching cold. The blood on my hand.”
>“I don’t think it’s been written this way before,” Tom King tells Inverse, “but I spoke with Scott Snyder, and we agreed that it made sense. A lot of writers feel that way, that when Bruce Wayne made his vow and became Batman, he had to kill Bruce Wayne off.” According to Batman in the comic, he sliced his wrists and prayed to have the pain of his parents’ death taken from him.
And guys say that Jason Todd is edgy because he wear leather jacket. HE HAS NOTHING ON BRUCE WAYNE.
Isn't going thru the process of turning himself into Batman enough self-harm for anyone?
Liam Torres
You know I get the intent behind this, the idea to show all the various ways how PTSD affected Bruce on his journey of becoming Batman, but I'm not digging this.
To me, Batman should basically be a tool for Bruce Wayne to work through his trauma. Instead this seems to be acquiescing to the trauma and going "Yeah, guess I'm a crazy fuck now."
Nolan Sullivan
>Batman is a cutter I'm out.
Robert Baker
>Bruce was an emo kid Makes sense. You think he listened to Fallout Boy too?
Joshua Nguyen
Why is Batman such a shit character?
Levi Adams
Fallout Boy is upbeat as fuck
Bentley Russell
retconned in less than 3 years
Isaiah Young
MCR?
Jace Clark
better example of emo music, yes
Mason Bennett
>I think Tom King is a good writer.
Caleb Lewis
seriously what the fuck
Dylan Richardson
Isn't this from Gotham?
Jose Bennett
Naw, he just knows that he has to put 0 effort into the work because Batman will sell no matter what.
Ryan Morris
Batman will kill this meme.
Kayden Jenkins
In other news, Joker has Borderline.
Suicide Kid vs Sociopath Joe, who wins?
Robert Ortiz
The whole 'action juxtaposed with expositional letter' thing is such an unsatisfying structure, why is he doing it again.
Josiah Carter
>Bruce is a cutter >Selina is a mass murderer >Bronze Tiger is a drug addict >Alfred is there just to deliver sarcastic remarks >Gotham Girl is the center piece of the entire run
people will defend this
Wyatt Powell
>...I feel like I have to write a comic that…that eight-year-old me wanted to read, the comic that twelve-year-old me was gonna read…the kinds of readers who are picking up Batman for the first time, where my Batman is the first time they see the character.
Brayden Morales
putting a nightwing fan in charge was a mistake
Evan Murphy
>>Bronze Tiger is a drug addict Wait, which drugs did he do again?
Parker Foster
Venom
Brandon Sullivan
He's Dick fanboy? Well, that's explain a lot of things.
William Gomez
Scott Snyder is the worst Snyder.
Parker Campbell
>Scott Snyder is the worst Snyder. This.
Logan Cruz
>I spoke with Scott Snyder, and we agreed that it made sense. Snyder
Blake Price
Why are you blaming Snyder for this?
Christopher Mitchell
>Batman. >not being a crazy fuck.
Xavier Perry
>now He did it when he was ten, though.
Grayson Hughes
>Gotham Girl is the center piece of the entire run Yeah, that's why we hardly see or hear from her.
Kayden Wood
>implying these are bad ideas.
Christian Garcia
every Batman's action revolves around her
Carson Williams
>I-it's Snyder fault! Every stupid thing King do is because of Snyder! Ok?
Jason Bennett
Being suicidal as a kid after seeing the violent murder of both your parents isn't edgy. What are you, a child?
Jaxson Myers
So they're putting "I am Suicide" at the top of a story about attempting suicide?
Grayson Hughes
it's two year after the murder of the Waynes
Eli Brown
In this arc, yes because he's trying to save her but you can't say she's been the central piece for the entire run.
Kayden Rogers
Yeah but Bruce is clearly autistic
Connor Peterson
The hand-wringing over this is because cutting is seen as an effeminate type of self harm done by girls and emos. Nobody would care if it was any other method.
Wyatt Scott
A eight year old just saw his parents killed before his eyes and you think two years is enough time to heal.
Kayden Hall
it was enough for Dick
Nolan Reed
Bruce BTFO
Jace Edwards
Who had Bruce there to be his father figure. Alfred is a server and didn't fill that role.
Jayden Nelson
>A single book is enough to prove tat a writer tat has written great books is bad >This is what Sup Forums actually believes
Hunter Wright
Holy shit Tom's run is a trainwreck. This is approaching Robinson on JLA levels.
Levi Gomez
These are just kids complaining that King isn't just Synder lite and are mad because it's not as 'good' as every other Rebirth title apparently. I've honestly been enjoying Batman and Batman related books for the first time in nearly 6 years.
Juan Ward
CRAWLING IN MY SKIN
THESE WOUNDS THEY WILL NOT HEAL
Adam Barnes
I'm mad because it's a shit run and I want him to write something he's good at. I liked every comic from King so far except Batman.
Kevin Sullivan
The whole story behind Bruce taking Dick in, and Dick growing up into a comparatively well-adjusted young man, is that Bruce didn't want Dick to suffer the way he did and worked to make sure he had healthier outlets to express his grief.
This makes Bruce all the more impressive, and makes how he raised Dick all the more justified.
Caleb Anderson
But King is smart enough to realize that he doesn't have to put any effort into writing Batman, it sells no matter how bad it is. King works best on less popular stuff. Fuck, look at Vision.
Owen Turner
A mediocre and already forgotten book
Jonathan Flores
>it's a shit run. That's your opinion and your opinion isn't fact.
Leo Ross
Just like his others, aside from Batman, because no one cared about those books filled with literally whoes.
Logan Lopez
Oh fuck off. He isn't suicidal. Cutters just say that as a desperate plea for attention. If they really wanted to die they'd cut along the vein, not across.
Carter Bailey
...
Ryan Ortiz
Alfred was better father figure to Bruce than Bruce was Dick, user.
Also, Jason has been through worse at such young age and wasn't a cutter.
Charles Sanchez
Not according to Alfred himself, but whatever you are a memer anyway
Jacob Russell
Please come back to Marvel Based King
Benjamin James
Alfred blame himself for letting Bruce became Batman, but there is nothing he could have done to stop him.
Blake Nguyen
Please take him, I have no hope for him anymore.
Brandon Ramirez
There was a good scene in Dark Victory from Loeb of all people that juxtaposed Alfred's reaction to Dick's grief with Alfred's reaction to Bruce's grief. With Bruce, he was more aloof and standoffish.
Jeremiah Bell
He could have just let Bruce keep cutting himself
Aaron Campbell
Bruce had an Alfred who had no idea what to do with this tragic, broken little orphan. Dick had Alfred and Bruce and is better for it.
This has been the narrative since the Bronze age. You literally don't read comics.
Dominic Evans
Didn't Bruce help Dick get closure pretty soon after the Graysons died? Not to mention giving him the Robin outlet.
Charles Foster
and what about this?
Easton Morgan
>Also, Jason has been through worse at such young age and wasn't a cutter This, and had no one else there for a long time until Bruce took him.
Camden Peterson
Tomasi plays on sentiment. Bruce just died and this is his last message to Alfred. It's supposed to tug on your heartstrings. It doesn't negate decades of comics saying otherwise.
Dominic Cox
Bruce spent most of his youth traveling around the world alone
and Jason was a street criminal which is worse than being a cutter
Christopher Rivera
Bruce's and Jason's childhood aren't at ALL comparable...
Eli Sullivan
Well, Jason has always been more of a well-adjusted person than fans give him credit to be honest.
Evan Smith
Yes, because Jason went through worse stuff.
Josiah Martinez
except that's exactly how it works, unless it's been retconned away then that page proves Bruce views Alfred as a father.
Brayden Reyes
>Jason was a street criminal He was a poor kid who lived in the streets and stole things to survive.
Justin Sanders
Damian has been through worse
Kevin Foster
Yes, a criminal
He was a spoiled brat, it wasn't until Gleason and Tomasi that he had a "omg what a bad childhood"
Jackson Sanders
no one cares
Mason Foster
They've all died at one point or another user.
Ryder Wilson
This doesn't seem bad
Levi Rivera
>jasonfags coming out of the woods to shit up another thread
Eli Bailey
and jasons mom is big cunt.
Joshua Stewart
>He was a spoiled brat, it wasn't until Gleason and Tomasi that he had a "omg what a bad childhood" Nope.
Logan Collins
In the mid-00s they also implied he had to be gay for pay.
Christopher Sanders
Nice reading comprehension
Jeremiah Martinez
...
Caleb Stewart
>had a useless parents who one of them was alcoholic and the other was a drugs addicted >his father used to beat him and his mother up >his father was also a petty criminal who died in jail later >Jason had to become the man of the house and protect her mother from her drug dealers >his mother died later due to overdose >he spent the rest of his childhood in in the streets >had to steal to survive >got taken by a rich playboy who became his doom >got tortured and then blown up by the Joker >was resurrected agnist his will >saw how his memory was disrespected by everyone >no one was happy that he is alive or even tried to help him >pretty much has to himself up in his own to get over his death
Tell me again how Damian has it worse.
Aiden Green
he was a criminal in gotham, he would have died anyway
Colton Reyes
>muh darkness >muh suffering >muh edge How do we go from Morrison/Dini who made Batman fun to read to Snyder who makes villains edgy and King who makes Bruce and family edgy? Is there no fucking hope?
Oliver Lewis
>Snyder who makes villains edgy
This is my favorite meme
John Robinson
Flashpoint proved that he would have been better off if he never met Bruce.
Owen Davis
>Flashpoint
Irrelevant, totally different universe. In the main one instead he almost got killed while faking being a member of the red hood gang and needed Talia to save him.
Nathan Parker
That's just such a mundane outlet for his pain.
Part of the fantasy and horror of Batman is that at his core, at the very beginning of his story, there was a sad, little boy that swore to beat every criminal he came across to within an inch of their lives once he got strong enough to do so.
He didn't just get sad, he went fucking crazy.
Even the Brave and the Bold couldn't do the whole personal oath thing without making it look deranged because it is an inherently demented ambition to have in life:
And besides, didn't they all ready do this in the Gotham tv-show?
Bentley Martinez
Either explain your counterpoint or don't bother posting at all. Just calling posts you don't like memes does nothing for the discussion.
Matthew Sullivan
because dick became a pampered little shit immediately after it happened.
Sebastian Evans
there's nothing to explain, Snyder didn't make anything more edgy than what it already was
Zachary James
>Flashpoint >irrelevant Flashpoint is the reason behind the current n52 universe.
And the main point is that Jason would have better off if he never meet Bruce.
>needed Talia to save him It's actually the other way around. You would have know if you read it.
Benjamin Turner
Flashpoint is irrelevant because that universe is too different from the main one
And yes, you were right about him saving Talia. I forgot the stupidity of him being able to use magic without even trying in RHATO.
Nathaniel Robinson
>I am Suicide What is this
Caleb Stewart
Jason situation in Flashpoint wasn't different from his situation in the main universe. He lived in the streets and his parents were died.
Also, Flashpoint was pretty much "WHAT IF" universe. "What if Bruce was the one who died at that night?" "What if Jason never meet Bruce?".....etc.
Nathaniel Davis
>Mr. Freeze never had a wife and killed his mom >Joker is Michael Myers >Riddler blasts a guy's arm off >Dr. Death is a generic Snyder villain (spindly fanged thing with spindly elongated arms and claws) >Catwoman is an evil mob boss >Two-Face is Two Bad Choices
