Was the German war machine really as great as Sup Forums says it was?

Was the German war machine really as great as Sup Forums says it was?
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yes thats why the soviets stole most of the designs and engineers from germany after the war.

the soyuz they use today is still basically the same shit that those nazis designed for the slavs

This video always saddens/infuriates me.
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That think took more than 2 hours to load, was impossible to aim, unbelivably hard to move and didnt even made that much damage, if Sup Forums thinks that, Sup Forums is fucking retarded

it only served as the largest penis...i mean gun in europe

Germans are autistic.

No. They just managed to catch most of Europe and Poland off-guard when they attacked.

Yes it was.

>leaf

No, the USSR and USA were superior war machines.

>Catching france of guard
>After war had been declared

Duping the fuck out of them doesn't count, and they managed to do so because they had a well oiled and fast armored war machine.

from what i understand they made some very costly strategic errors at critical times, and they ended up fighting on too many fronts

Technologically, it was great, and more advanced than the others.

Logistically, it was a trainwreck. Constant innovations were a nightmare for standardization.

>Slowly builds military for 6-8 years
>Openly condems other European nations
>Openly states it wants it's stolen regions backs
>Takes over Poland

Yea, no, everyone saw it coming they just didn't know what to do. The English pm even went to discuss rising tensions and was reassured there would be "peace in Europe".

Snowniggers stole from Germany. They were taken by thousands: equipment from factories, turbines, machine tools, motors, engineers and specialists. Snowniggers flew in space thanks to the German prisoners, stolen technology and
jews

Yeah, you stole from it to get to the moon.
Nazi engineers made your moon rocket.

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Ussr had no war industry, without us welfare they would have been nothing

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White men can accomplish anything when properly inspired.

I want to be there so badly, if only I could help them take stalingrad then maybe we wouldn't be so fucked today.

No because other nations could use their resources more efficiently
Germany just got into huge debt to build the most expensive weapons they could make. The Nazis basically believed that technology could solve all problems


TL;DR: autism

>No, the USSR and USA were superior war machines.

Both of these are completely untrue at the start of the war.

Fuck, even the USSR had a shit military that relied on the USA and its superior industry.

just play WW2 games and recreate a better world

way ahead of you, in HoI4 I annexed all of yugo, poland, and france before USA, UK, or Soviets joined the war (france supported yugo and joined their faction after i annexed poland before the missions). I turned Germany into the world super power in 4 years

>HoI4

>memeICE

No, it was mostly just no-military countries like Denmark, Norway, Austria and Netherlands that they managed to take without any problem

Poland was caught by surprise and was sandwiched between Germany and USSR

France thought you couldn't go through their Maginot line, and had an obsolete doctrine

USSR lost alot of land as thet had extremely shitty logistics, making the worst threat Germany faced in the beginning of Barbarossa a fucking T-26

The only exception is probably Czechoslovakia

Otherwise, UK and US were superior

yeah i know it's pretty casual, I wanted a really in-depth game, hopefully the ww1 mod will flesh it out a lot more.

It's not just pretty casual user, it's practically Risk. If you want depth play HoI3 and then if you want real depth go with Gary Grigsby's War in the East.

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Apparently, Hitler was amazed with soviet war machinery production.

pol doesnt have any fucking idea about WW2

quite the opposite, it was complete and utter shit.

Literally every other nations produced more than Germans.

Nice to see that being treated with depleted uranium is actually working in the long term.

>Gary Grigsby's War in the East
I occasionally play War in the West and interface and design in general is fucking awful. It really kills my will to play.

sowjet lost around 70% of these in the first month

correct. but stalin tactic was to keep producing tanks and sacrifice soldiers. it was brutal but it worked eventually.

And then they just built more, because their manufacturing was superior to German.

I'm really fucking tired of pseudo-historians like you summing up Eastern Front as ''lmao commies zerg rushed germans muh human wave''. Fuck off, learn more. You're wrong.

This fellow is correct.

> American public education

Yes! It was even better than what Sup Forums says!

The only reason the Soviet Union beat them is because the jews used their mind control rays to convince Hitler to want to lose.

Now get your Germanic asses to bed.

Correct. The US supplied russia with 17 million tons of equipment. It supplied it own troops with 22. Including the bombs dropped and d-day tonnage. You can find this all on wiki.

Russia is a meme.

>le eggskayceedee

The armament available to the Germans at the beginning of the war were top notch. However, when the war went on engineers started taking shortcuts in designing and replacing certain technologies.

Not to mention that the command structure was a cluster fuck.

wtf. even before Sup Forums existed, people already knew this.

Are you 13 years old?

Confirmed for never actually reading a book.

Go listen to the Mannerheim Hitler secret recording for an idea of how massive Soviet industrial capacity was.

But it's true faggot. Look at the casualties per side and try and say that the Russians didn't simply overrun the Germans.

Germany got 15 miles from Moscow. Try and tell me that other than the fact that there were more Slavs then German bullets Germany wouldn't have destroyed Moscow.

Literally fuck off Montenigger.

He's absolutely correct.
>Germans faced entire world
...becomes idiotic argument when you realized most of Allies joined in 1945 or late 1944, and that Germans faced their opponents in succession.
Czechs>Poles>Danes/Norwegians>French/British/Dutch/Belgians>Yugoslavia/Greece>Soviet Union.
All of their opponents were unprepared. Read about the capture of Eben Emael to see what sort of incompetence was rife through Allied ranks.
From 1941 till 1944 only real threat were the Soviets, with the exception of Allied bombing that while effective wasn't really a direct threat.
Majority of troops and best troops were always deployed on Eastern Front, number only decreasing in late 1944.

or.. just look mat the stats

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II

The ruskies would not have held moscor & Stalingrad without : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

>Look at the casualties per side
Combat deaths were 7 million for Soviets and 4.5 million for Axis. Additional 3 million often added were POW's exterminated in German camps.
Difference is easily explained by the fact Soviet military was a total mess, and then that total mess virtually melted down during Barbarossa, which meant it was almost rebuilt from scratch and they had to play catch-up. In a way, their recovery was impressive. By 1944 they caught up with Germans in most aspects, however the fact they were on offensive meant more casualties.
Both tactically and strategically, especially strategically, Soviets improved a lot.
But why am I even writing this shit, you're totally disinterested in learning.

The French had a larger and much better equiped army but were easily annihilated. Remember Germany was disarmed and its army completely gutted after WW1. Germany had to rebuild it's entire armed forces in 4 years a monumentaL task. German dominance was down to the superiority of the average German soldier and better tactics by the leadership. Soviet tanks were superior most of the time in the battlefield that's indisputable.

Fun fact: did you know that xkcd hate is spread by literal niggers?

Fun fact: did you know that the French are statistically more likely to have nigger genes than most other white people?

You are aware casualties include wounded and captured?
There was difference in how both sides counted casualties.
For example, tank ditching track was a loss in Soviet doctrine, because it was temporarily combat ineffective, meanwhile tank getting it's turret blown off wasn't a loss in German idea because hull could be rebuilt into a StuG.
About France, French were highly inferior in aviation which really started to matter, their armored tactics and even tank design was inferior (one/two man turret-no radios), their leadership plagued by indecision and their country divided as fuck.
They had more tanks but overall I wouldn't say they were better equipped, they lacked in many areas.

mmm yes lives of prime ewhite men spent to end the lives of other prime white men
so glorious
my dick is rock hard

France was fucked from start. Leadership idiotic, generals were fossils. They didn't expect Germany to go to war against them. There were reports about French soldiers not shooting at Germans cause they aren't shooting at French. They could've ez invaded Germany in first days of the war. Instead they waited and relied on ww1 tactics. They had best army but didn't know how to use it.
Then add to all that how they ignored reports on Germans and their plans and how bad they distributed their army. Like they wanted to lose a war. Which they maybe did cause a lot of French supported Nazis.
Then you have eastern front. Most of Soviets elite army was on their East expecting attack from Japan. When that army returned they started trading almost equally with Nazis.
What people often forget is that no one was ready for ww2 but Germans. No one could possibly imagine the shitstorm that was about to go on. If they did, everyone would just attack Germans and roll them over.
Did Germans have bad as tech and great military? Of course. They were preparing for war for a long time.
But most of their success can be accounted to others not being prepared more then their superiority.

*badass tech
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My grandfather fought both. First eastern front then france. He laughed so hard about the us you cannot belive it. He admires the russians and their bravery but despises the us for their cowardly behavior and useless aggressions against women and children. So yes... if you ask someone who was there, russia did 95%. The us came when the war was already won.