More and more men in the Western civilization are going MGTOW. They might have sex, they might have jobs, but they don't live with a woman, they won't marry and they won't have kids. VR porn, sex robots, universal basic income and stuff like that will probably accelerate this phenomenon.
What kind of effect will this have on our society in the next 5 to 20 years?
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It doesn't matter. Only the top 20% of men are meant to reproduce anyway. The bottom 80% is of no consequence. What really matters is women deciding not to have kids. That is what will effect our society.
The top 20% of men are niggers then.
True.
But if the MGTOW guys leave the workforce, that would lead to economic troubles, no?
MGTOW here. Women already have their official equivalent of MGTOW, it's called "childfree". They have their own community. But regardless of labels, women should be allowed to choose whether to have kids or not, and they should be allowed to choose whether to get married or not. Anything else is unacceptable. If they want to choose to remain single and not have kids, that's fine.
exactly. this mgtow pua bullshit is made up by niggers.
It's nigger culture, and will destroy civilization.
100% wrong.
The 80-20 rule is for small tribal societies with a strong hierarchy.
Since the early middle ages, this has changed, due to local warlords and the institution of religion pushing for monogamy, to increase population, productivity and to stop desperate bachelors to risk it all, because they have nothing to lose. Ofcourse there were "marriages" before that too, but one raiding party and you lose your husband and your children.
If anything, the entire reason why we live in such a "civilised" and technologically advanced world, is exactly due to society staying true to monogamy. A social and financial contract as marriage.
Sure, women can always make some beta raise another man's child and this statistically happens between 10-20% (dont let the current statistics fool you), BUT monogamy has kept society stable.
As to your 20-80% idiotic comment. Human physiology has not evolved in the last 10000 years, but human memetic adaptation has exponentially increased in the last 2000 years.
That means that just because our instincts dictate tribal mentality, doesnt mean that our conscious mind isnt above controlling that. Thats what being civilised is all about.
Modern society has allowed every beta (even your father) to have his own kids and a somewhat happy life. This breaks down, and you will have millions of single bachelors waiting for the chance to take a slice of the big pie.
Look at India. India actually has a rape crisis, because so many young men are still living in traditional society, while women prefer to move to cities and get a job.
This has created a horde of men (millions) who will literally never get married, their only access to pussy.
China has a different problem. Due to infanticide and abortions, Chinese families has more likely a boy (1 child policy).
This has created a demographic problem, where there is a surplus of millions of men in China.
This is how revolutions start. MGTOW is a facade. Real change will come.
Roastie detected
>What kind of effect will this have on our society in the next 5 to 20 years?
White genocide.
Only degenerate faggots are part of this group. Just because there are a lot of SJWs doesn't mean that everyone woman is an SJW.
Not every woman is an SJW. A lot of women like I said are similar to us MGTOWS, but they do their own thing because it benefits them. But women also aren't as great generally as Sup Forums says they are.
I will never understand this meme.
So fucking what?
Society is fucked beyond repair. There is no turning back. Feminism has corrupted our civilisation to such a degree that women who have a strong and dominant father, can cry "rape/abuse" and he will go to jail.
We have lost the battle.
If its any consolation, due to our pollution and gas emissions, there wont be any humans left in 10000 years.
So who gives a fuck?
>another MGTOmegaW episode
Can't you just fucking stay in your containment board?
good, at least niggers can show how they perform without being oppressed
But men have lived as monks or celibate priests and in other kinds of women free orders for centuries. This is nothing new, but what is new is that feminists have emerged and as ever they are whining for attention.
> How terribly sorry I feel for them in this age of competition. /s
Women are fucking sheep.
If all women are prudes, then women who arent, get shamed.
If all women are sluts, then women who arent, get shamed.
Women are women, they cant help but be the way they are. Its like getting mad at a dog for eating your Schnitzel while you went to answer the door.
Understanding this concept is really hard for millenials, because they were raised with this idea if intellectual equality, which is a myth.
Women only care about themselves and their social status. They do everything for "how other women will see them".
So keep that in mind. This isnt about "there are good women out there", this is about "the current zeitgeist and sheep mentality dont allow for good women".
>sex robots
>longer lifespans
>stem cell sperm and eggs
Soon women will literally be useless. Why fuck a 7/10 woman when you can fuck a different 10/10 every night that is programmed to love you? Create perfect humans without the need to have some fallible woman carry them.
Seriously, what point would there be in women after this?
I'm going to start my own tropical island nation and were going to return to traditional western values and reestablish the nuclear family
Its going to be like the swiss family robinson
The Pareto principle is bullshit desu. Even in paleolithic times 40% of men got to reproduce.
goddamn we're racing towards something.
Nigger detected.
If you don't find a wife and make beatufiul white children with her, you're a failure. If you don't live and promote the values of family, you're a failure.
Promoting hedonism and socially destructive ethics is nigger tier kikery. You're the enemy of the west.
Delusional beta detected.
I don't meet the standards of women. Even if I did, they're all sluts who have been broken in and gang banged by multiple Chads and other bucks. No point having a relationship with sluts. So I will have to be alone for the foreseeable future and keep my money for myself. Maybe one day I will meet someone who hasn't been fucked by a buck, but it's unlikely.
>I'm a man going my own way, I just want to be left alone, doin' my thing, ok?
>GUYS LOOK AT ME I'M A MGMOW LOOK AT ME
>HELLO LOOK AT MY DECISION OF GOING MY OWN WAY
pathetic little shit's. It's not your decision that you are alone.
>doesn't know what delusion means
Keep spouting buzzwords you don't understand, nigger.
>pathetic little shit's. It's not your decision that you are alone.
I personally am not "MGTOW", but stop projecting. Just because youre ugly af doesnt mean that everyone else is.
This is literally the worst way to deal with fucked gender relations in the west and everything is going to go to shit before VR, Sex Robots, etc, etc happen and anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a fantasy land.
MGTOW should be honest and call themselves what they are, boys going their own way.
>Keep spouting buzzwords you don't understand, nigger.
>he says while unironically using phrases like "youre a failure"
Keep it up cuck. You keep digging that beta grave.
Whatever. Most MGTOW fall into the 60% category.
>Its like getting mad at a dog for eating your Schnitzel while you went to answer the door.
stay classy emperor
The difference is that most men don't really need children or a family to be happy. We can find fulfillment in other ways. Women are designed to have kids and studies have shown that the further we go down the feminism rabbit hole the more depressed women get.
MGTOW is essentially a club for men who had little to no sexual marketplace value to begin with. Look at all the prolific MGTOW advocates, are any of them handsome?
But then again, most men have had their sexual marketplace value diminished in this day and age.
Average is the new ugly and the above average men only get laid once in a blue moon, unless they lower their standards and fuck 2 to 3 points below. But who wants to lower their standards?
Sorry jamal. The standards of virtue and success in a civilized society are different than in a nigger shithole.
I'm talking about civilization.
It means the real men like me, that aren't fat ugly betas, get more pussy.
Thank you r9k neckbeards.
Honestly, this is either good for guys that don't share this digital fetish or shitty for them as some women would be into this as well. It would also be a good business opportunity.
>invest
>invest
>invest
>Modern society has allowed every beta (even your father) to have his own kids and a somewhat happy
How may betas out there are raising another man's child and don't even know it? Better yet, how many DO know it?
Why don't MGTOWs just become lawyers? They can fight whorish women is court without undermining the white race with stupid ideas like collective celibacy.
If I were ever fighting an ex-wife over custody or alimony, I wouldn't find a better alternative than an MGTOW.
MGTOW =/= MRA
Dude I am hardened veteran of te club scene. I lift, I'm >6ft, I have game. Most women I meet over the age of 21 who are single have no interest in men. Not me, not you, not Chad thundercock. They do seem to make an exception for men with conspicuous wealth, buts that's no guarantee either. I can still get pussy but I find the girls who give it up have mental problems. Normal chicks are GTOW too. It's made me think women really don't need or want men in any way. I find myself surprised despite the fucking mess society is in. But trust me, if you think any woman cares about you going your own way they don't, it's just one less guy pestering them for their number.
Women are a lot tougher than they are given credit for.
They want stuff. They don't need men for stuff anymore. Men want sex, women want security. The game has changed in that women can get security without men, but men can't get sex without women. Sure they wake up when they're 40 but that's neither here nor there. Even then it's not sex they miss is not having kids. Something has gone terribly terribly wrong.
>What kind of effect will this have on our society in the next 5 to 20 years?
Middle-aged feminists, who gave every woman right to destroy man's life with lies on divorce court, will be living as senior citizens in a society where population structure crisis has destroyed the pension system. Greedy old whores fucked themselves over on this. Signs of panic (the danish fertility campaign etc.) are starting to appear.
men can be happy without a woman.
shocker, i know. women don't seem to realize this and sure as shit can't he happy without a man. they are mad.
>more and more
no, just no. God outside for once and ask random men around you "what is MGTOW?"
>Ugly autistic /r9k/ virgins really believe that!!!!
Idiot. I said "meant to" as in what humans evolved to do, not what society dictates. Fucking retard. Do you even reading comprehension, bro?
Thats what prostitutes are for. Whores will always be around. If these miserable cunts want "stuff" they can buy it themselves lol
Because I can't sit through 4 years of being told I'm responsible for everything wrong with society without defending myself, without getting kicked out and ending up wasting all my time...
The only girl I ever fucked was afraid to look me in the eyes and never would have talked to me if her friend didn't tell me she liked me
But I mean she regrets all that now because I was a loser and she just liked me for my looks apparently
You misunderstand women. They are fine being unhappy if they have stimulation like shopping, friends and just the pure emotional stimulation of any emotion (including unhappiness). It's men who feel the strong urge to pair bond.
Prostitute sex has none of the intimacy or female responsiveness that men crave.
because women are programmed to obtain resources. I have had women verbally tell me this before. Socially, sexually, politically, and financially (notice how i never said intellectually).
I knew a group of girls who went to Vegas and this rich sucker spent over $2000 on all their drinks. That shit was probably pennies to him, but it doesn't matter. He didn't get laid and the girls got a night of free drinking (because ladies nights are so hard to find, amirite?).
In the end, the night was a success because they obtained something for free for just being a women. Every women is out to get a man in the same manner. The idea of a sexual market place exists because we seek pussy, they have it, and they know when to give it up when it benefits them the most (unless they have mental problems like you mentioned).
I have the looks, the social skills, and the intelligence, but I've never been on a date in my life because of crippling anxiety about dating people who aren't intent on marriage. In early HS, my thoughts were geared toward finding a good partner.
Even some of you here might not believe me, but I have all the ostensible features of at least an 8/10. Down to my hobbies, they're constructive and creative.
My problems: I don't watch Netflix. I want to talk politics. I like new financial ventures. I don't like pop culture. I want to be a respected breadwinner for a secure family.
My IQ is over 140. I'm blond with blue eyes. I lift weights regularly and it shows. I have an education far, far greater than what could be expected of my young age. I write poetry, play all kinds of sports recreationally, consume classical film, etc. All told, I can't cook well.
I know there is a high likelihood of me going elsewhere in the world to start a family. The veneer of exoticism that usually attracts people to Baltic nations, the Far East, and elsewhere isn't quite the same pastiche that I've become enamored by; rather, my sole interest is to have a family with the best chances of thriving if I'm successful in my career. The 'West,' as in those places where Third Wave Feminism has taken a firm hold of sociopolitical institutions, has ruined gender relations. I remind myself every day not to be a victim of the current sexual milieu here in the U.S., and devote my energies to self-improvement.
I'm sharing this with you all because anonymity lets a person be more honest with themselves. I wanted to share my experience, because it's a special kind of suffering. The purpose of life is to raise a sound family, and it's a very special kind of prison sentence when that's been virtually denied to you in your homeland.
There's hope for each and every one of us here, but I've abandoned the notion that it should come from the 'West.'
I just want to marry and have kids with a qt girl
Why does MGTOW hate me again?
We don't hate you
we just think your a fool to think you can do that
>I couldn't do it, so no one else can
Is that girl a fingolian?
i have given up. I have tried the happy home thing. I have been the provider I have been faithful. However, after 3 relationships lasting 3-5 years I cant find a woman that will remain faithful.
I am a provider, I may not have always been the best, but i have gotten significantly better. I am a home owner, I have less than 20k in debt, make 50-80K a year in a very affordable part of the country. I drive a nice car, have money in the bank, security in the nightstand, and food in the kitchen. I have plenty of backups for everything from financial/food/security.
My current plan, pay off the rest of this house, save money like a jew, retire early with a few investments somewhere that has good food and cheap beer, and cheaper women. then be found dead with loads of money left to my dog and a charity.
Yes.
A NEET weeaboo who's a little fucked in the head.
You claim you are this amazing, good looking moral man, yet I've met men and women who have been in porn, been part of the club scene, and been involved in slut culture excessively, and yet they still saw themselves as morally strong people. So you and your post is full of shit, because I know the type of people you come from. You lie.
t. desperate beta
>20k in debt
>Buys a "nice car"
You got cheated on, huh? Let me guess, you became "boring" and "predictable"? The hoes began bitching about how you "never did things for them"?
Jesus Christ I can almost smell the doritos from this post.
>true
God damn Sup Forums is still retarded as fuck
Yes what women like in men is an objective measure of their quality. We need to have women only breed with the strongest and tallest alpha males, for the good of the human race. We need unlimited testosterone and height, nevermind intellect
You people are such massive dumb cucks you use your own half baked understanding of evolution to rationalize yourself out of the fucking gene pool
Apparently even "red pilled" faggots like you all have no fucking idea how biology works and say we need to do nothing but appease women until the end of time
Jesus fucking Christ
But I guess I'm comforted by the fact that it's likely you autists are actually just so far gone you come full circle back to cuckoldry because you can't ever get laid any other way, and that "normies" arent this pathetic and insane
>Future child support payers and beta providers
You're just being a leaf, but I'll say that I've been to a strip club twice. Both occasions were viscerally disgusting to me. That's the height of my deviance.
>What is genetic recombination
That is nigger tier eugenics you're working with there.
>his country doesn't allow legally binding pre marriage contracts
lmao, cuck
China now has a two child policy
What's wrong with Doritos?
statistically about half of everyone that tries to do it fails.
Not MGTOW, I like fanny.
I wanted to marry a girl too
When I was a dumbass libcuck kid with no job and nothing to lose
MGTOW doesn't hate you. If you stumble on a NAWALT, good for you, men were built to serve GOOD women. We just want to warn you that feminism has turned marriage institution into financial exploitation tool by gold digging adulterous manhaters.
Unlike autistic VirginTOW faggots, I can actually spot the red flags in women. Keep coping, bitch. Enjoy being sent your own way.
>white
>college-educated
>upper middle class
>won't marry until after more than 2 years of dating at least
These things alone put my chances for successful marriage in the 90% range
>When I was a dumbass libcuck kid with no job and nothing to lose
Good thing I'm none of that then, I guess
>I wanted to marry a girl too
>Now I'm just bitter that girls won't touch me with a 10 foot pole so i pretend it's my choice
kek
Women are trash but "MGTOW" is just being a failure lol
It's never by choice
>grow up in rural Midwest
>get married at 20 because that's what's normal around here
>buy a house because that's what's normal around here
>have first kid shortly after because that's what's normal around here
>second kid on the way because that's normal around here
>go to church every Sunday because that's normal around here
>have special meals with parents/grandparents every week or two because that's normal
>be very happy because I have a happy family
I few bad for you guys growing up in urban settings desu, it seems so unwholesome.
>half
It's not a flip of a coin. There are measures one can take to make sure it will be a successful marriage.
Could you please stop posting chin-girl?
I like her too but you guys go way overboard with her pics.
>get married at 20
Big mistake. When you're in your 40s, 50s, 60s, etc your wife will be the same age as you. ALWAYS marry younger women. At least a decade younger.
you sound autistic, like not as an insult but actually mildly mentally autistic. Check yourself out w/ a psychologist or something.
You're a self-persecutionist faggot. Who cares if MGTOW hates you? You're grasping at straws so you can feel oppressed.
Do you even know where that research came from?
It literally came from 1 college campus and not the entire campus. it came from the people in 1 field of study; which was law.
It's really, really sad that you take this fringe as your worldview but what's even more sad is that you probably shit on normie for not checking sources and spouting headlines without any further research yet do the same
You guys will think this way until you actually meet a genuinely good woman. White men need to procreate to ensure the survival of our heritage and legacy.
Of course if you're ugly you're SOL, but my gf is voting Trump and has more white blood than I do.
They're out there Sup Forums they're just really fucking hard to find.
White and asian races will die off more and more because the only people who will be having kids are black and brown people who don't give a shit about waifus and VR and don't worry about stuff like raising kids because they just walk off and knock up some other bitch, as is customary in their culture.
I was fucking the girls brains out. She laughed at the idea of marrying me and then went and fucked 5 random guys and got fat and ugly and poor and I got a great job and (thought I) got in shape a bit and never made a move on a girl again and my health is now totally shitting out on me and I can't gain weight or stop feeling like shit
I wouldn't want to date a girl now, I don't do anything, I'm in too much pain and discomfort
No such thing as a nawalt
>Be me
>Be white
>Be 6'2
>Be 7/10, somewhat /fit/
>Virgin
I've literally turned down sex because I want to save it for marriage or at least engagement (Christian upbringing) but every girl I'm interested in has already thrown away her pairbonding, even the girls that I meet in church that are supposedly better have already sown their wild oats. No place is safe, and now that I'm in my early 20's I'm starting to wonder if I'll ever find a qt virgin bride.
Also the church is full of hypocrites and liars that make me embarrassed to be a Christian. It's no better there than anywhere else, except that in the real world people don't pretend to be better than everyone else.
Honestly the only reason this is going to be a problem is because those men won't work shitty jobs that pay well to feed their kids.
Or if they do they'll do it only for couple of years to get enough money to be NEETs or keep doing shitty part-time in supermarkets. And once you have shortage of labor to keep the base propped up it will all slowly come crumbling down, either that or immigration kills the nation.
What a stupid fucking idea.
The solution is so simple, we just simply begin to punish women with violence again. Violence goddamn fucking works and I don't see why so many so-called right wing betas shy away from it.
I don't care. It was more of a veiled insult directed towards MGTOW than anything else. (The implication being that they're in the bottom 80%, hell, even the bottom 20%) I know it doesn't have any basis in today's society, as other posters have pointed out. If it's not even true on an evolutionary basis then fine, I guess I was wrong.
>what's even more sad is that you probably shit on normie for not checking sources and spouting headlines without any further research yet do the same
Projection: the post
kys
>Asians
They bread like rats China alone haves over 1 billion people.
Tokyo has over 13 million people
THIS.
Working a job barely above minimum wage, paying all of my bills and spending on my hobbies and STILL putting money away every paycheck.
Japanese population is getting older. They have the oldest pop on average in all of the world.
Schools are closing down because there's not enough kids.
The average couple (if there is one) can only afford to raise one child at a time.
etc.
The highly developed nations are all dying off or getting invaded by migrants.
Chinese birthrates are topping off while african and indian ones stay up/rise.
The outcome will be pretty damn obvious
>bunch of single mothers who had children with a deadbeat
>bunch of single white men who more or less don't participate in society
What happens is that when women are in their 30s, they start actively seeking out men. They'll latch onto the men who have their life together.
Don't think that developing economies will expierance the same once they're developed. Also China has a strict child policy they got their population rate under their own control
t. "just extinguish the white race please" cuck