I don't get it

What was wrong with the treatment?

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It worked.

The worst part of the movie was when they literally explain why the treatment was wrong. Great movie minus that moment though.

it had side effects, but presumably he became a useful member of the techno fascist society.

Did we watched the same movie?
I remember him him lying with a shit eating grin, being fed up with a spoon by dude explaining to him how he can benefit from this.
Effects of the curration also didnt held up.

I agree. I think in the end he learned to keep his fantasies internal and not act them out.

The treatment didn't actually work; he just pretended like it did to get out of prison

It did, though. It's why he couldn't fight back when his old droogs, now police, roughed him up. He was made physically ill by his desire - his need - to fight.

But then he imagined sex and he was fine at the end.

>tfw I play the intro music anytime I'm about to do something important or when I'm going to a party

Am I autistic?

Rewatch the film and pay full attention to every little detail in every shot

The treatment never worked

It deprived him of his free will; which is the cruelest and most insidious crime man can commit. We should have free will to commit crime and face the consequences.

Choice! The boy has no real choice, has he? Self interest, the fear of physical pain drove him to that grotesque act of self abasement, it's insincerity was clearly to be seen. He ceases to be a wrongdoer, he ceases also to be a creature capable of moral choice!!

In the scene with the writer and the liberal activists Beethoven drives him so insane from the treatment he tries to kill himself

Yeah, you also happen to be Reddit, which incidentally is the same thing.

Making not aggressive means dehumanizing like the material points out.

thats because he realizes the EU are a bunch of crypto facists

>Muh free will
Wow, my mind has been opened

I see you're using your free will to be a edgy too-cool-for-school faggot.

>We should have free will to commit crime and face the consequences.

The treatment was given as a consequence of his crimes. Therefore, the treatment was fine.

To all saying the treatment didn't work because of him being "cured" at the end that was because his tendencies were temporally sedated at the promise of wealth from the governor and the attention from the reporters. The priests speech makes it clear that the philosophy of the movie indicates that sociopathic criminals are motivated almost solely by wealth. Alex doesn't want to end up like his parents going through the daily grinding of their routine he wants to live like an ancient medieval king.

Shit movie that only le intellectuals think is deep, cant believe I wasted my time on this piece of fucking shit

Alex's treatment is an experiment the government doesn't plan to use it on violent criminals they plan to use it preemptively on citizens, that's why the new kid living at Alex's parents house makes a big speech about how he heard about what Alex did and it made him "real sick" and then there's a big pause and big ah ha moment for the audience. The idea of wether the treatment was right or not is left morally ambiguous for the audience to decide but ask yourself this, the government was deliberately shown to be compelete scumbags in this movie would you really trust these morally depraved people with the power to control a persons thoughts and emotions?? They're using it on criminals but these people are criminals themselves the line will eventually be skewed about who deserves to truly deserves to get the treatment. Innocent people are imprisoned for crimes they didn't commit all the time it's a lot easier to just do the time then to be brainwashed for the rest of your life.

It made him try to kill himself. It wasn't reformatory. He wasn't cured, he was preconditioned by pain and disgust and as normal people would, people was not happy with a treatment that meant torturing people, and the prime minister needed to be on the side of the people to get reelected. Come on man, everything's in the movie. This movie is a lot of things, complicated is not one of them.

If it's not complicated then why am I having trouble understanding it?

Frankly? I have no idea. That's for you to find out.

Him pretending to be sick is set up when he burps in the cop's face earlier in the movie.

He's a manipulator. When he's out in public later on he has to maintain the ruse that the treatment worked, even when he gets beat up.

We see him having a violent reverie in bath when he starts singing and bashing the side of the tub. Remembering the rape of the author's wife in the same house.

The only thing that did work was him feeling real distress when the music plays. Everything else was fine.

Not him, but your theory makes no sense and sounds forced.

He gets the treatment reversed whilst he's in hospital, in exchange for agreeing to be a government shill. That's why he said "I was cured alright" and imagined having sex in front of a crowd. I swear half the people in this thread didn't even watch the same movie.

I think you're just wrong and trying to confuse me to win.
And stop being mean to my friend as seen with this response

People are against the torture of criminals until they themselves have become victims of a crime that was the whole point of the writer character

Why is this so difficult for everyone - the priest even makes it clear "The boy has no real choice, has he?"
Why does no one ever talk about how ACO examines how society treats criminals that have served their time. We know Alex has been 'cured' but he is still isolated from everyone, and despite paying for his crimes and being cured, he's attacked by those he harmed. His 'reformation' is ignored by those who want revenge - and who go about it illegally.

alex is set up to be an unreliable narrator but then he tells the viewer that all these things happen, as if hes telling the press at the end of the film.

Stanley researched the various techniques used in the film and found out they didnt work, one book called The Psychology of Learning, explains that it basically doesnt work, and then in the scene where alex sings the song that he clearly knows is related to his violent and sexual acts, WITHOUT being sick, you can also see this book on the SHELF of the shot.

Alex is a sneaky shitter who will do anything to get his own way. he is faking at any costs to cause sympathy and he gets what he wants at the end, to be able to do anything he wants.

I like this idea, although the suicide attempt being unrelated feels like a stretch

there is some political theory why he does this which is less about alex's faking and more about anti facism / anti new facism which stanley claims the film is actually about

Where do I read about this

youtube.com/watch?v=8YfRO4nEuC0
he makes some good points

Nah I'm not buying it

To rid a man of free will is to take away his humanity. The audience can sympathise with a murderous rapist thug simply because he has had his free will taken from him.

That's what happened in the BOOK not the movie as Stanley Kubrick has been very clear on.

So you're very wrong but whatever.

full on retardation.

It took away his appreciation of the great Ludwig Van, Alex's character's only redeeming attribute.

"Goodness comes from within, Goodness is chosen. If a man cannot chose, he ceases to be a man"

oh so its another stupid ass kubrick conspiracy theory. lame one too. Of course you describe Alex to a t, but all that stuff is still true without your lame theory about the technique never working, so it doesn't count as evidence for it...

maybe if you paid attention you would see its not some conspiracy theory its film interpretation, look up the differences between the book and the film. the book alex IS sick, alex IS effected by the treatment but in the film he is not, it plays into the meaning of the film that stanley actually came out and stated.

i bet you think that dr strangelove doesnt have purposefully placed sexual innuendos too

This
Also that quote comes from the best shot of the movie

OP here, all your responses are lame ass other than this one. At last I truly see