So tell me, is my father correct that this movie is confusing?

So tell me, is my father correct that this movie is confusing?

I am not a fan of it, just I found it fairly easy to follow for the most part.

Your father is a pleb

No.

He is kino.

I mean, he is a fan of Stanley Kubrick and appreciates classic movies like Godfather.

Also a Doctor Who and Star Wars fan.

what's not to get.
People's phones moved into their heads n shit and the Internet runs through your brain but your ghost/personality is barred off with a firewall and a robot lady joins an ai consciousness to breed free thinking personalities into the brainphoneinternet.
also fake memories

nobody wants to love a replicant

But animu is confusing.

And also the weird guy with the suitcase who stares at the camera. That part admittedly confused me, but my father made a huge deal about it.

He actually did accuse it of ripping off Bladerunner.

Not entirely without merit, though I have seen actual legit rip offs in terms of design and aesthetic (Bubblegum Crisis and Akira are more Bladerunner esc)

He is looking for depth which it has none. He is confused why such a mediocre film has such high regard

I agree honestly.

You're either very intelligent or really dumb if you don't get confused by all the talking. I think they talk to fast about subject you don't have the time to connect. Of course you can follow the main plotline and think you're smart

Some parts I just tuned out.

I honestly think SAC looks a lot better, and seems to be more fun from what I have seen. I just found the movie kinda dull.

Yes SAC is quite different and easier to follow

Explain more?

Personally I didn't care for the philosophical stuff, at least in the way it was presented. I also found the plot kinda thin and the characters quite boring. Batou was cool however.

No I don't think he would be a pleb for thinking GitS is trash.

SAC is more of the same, don't bother.

The translation is a bit rough and it throws around a few manga terms without explaining them. But it's a very straightforward story outside of that.

He did understand what a ghost and a shell meant.

Ghost = Consciousness

Shell = Body.

...

No shit, I'm talking mainly about the scene where they talk about the puppet master's ghost line.

Jez, now I realise how unoriginal the new Deus Ex games are.

I do prefer the character designs in SAC by far though.

He felt it was kinda ham fisted.

My dude, I don't give a shit if something is created by the Masamune Shirow or Disney. So long as it gives me something along the lines of the GitS setting I'm happy.

the plot literally doesn't matter in the movie

Aww that picture is cute!

Human Revolution was alright. Mankind Divided was mediocre.

The original is one of my favorite games.

The heck?

Of course it does!

It is overrated as hell. I only like the tits, nude camo

The movie is confusing because its themes are the same childish crap the Japanese keep attaching to their more serious animated works. It's the same dull philosophy of what it means to be human, but they never progress beyond this question.

Hence why I prefer the less serious anime.

Though it wasn't as bad as NuDeus Ex's one dimensional world building where everything is centered around augmentations.

>not liking cyberpunk

Wut?

I'm pretty sure they never clearly state what a ghost was, before looking it up I always thought it was an error unique to the Major.

I genuinely didn't get it and it ended abruptly, leaving me thinking what the fuck was that about. I like good films, I watch old long ass black and white japanese films and enjoy most of them. This honestly felt pointless. Then again, nearly all anime is absolute shit besides studio ghibli.

No one has ever progressed beyond this question you ass.

its just tentacle porn user whats so confusing about it?

Because it's a spook.

I got the same damn feeling.

Though Studio Ghibli is kinda boring. Fist of the North Star is a fun movie despite it being So Bad It's Good.

Fuck off Stirnerfag.

Some studio ghibli films are at least fun, cute or wierd. Most anime is just edgy shit aimed at people who like dragon ball z. Ghost in the shell obviously doesn't fit that mold but it was still pointless. Had a decent atmosphere I guess.

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it's a bit confusing, yes.

the MOFA, interpreter, garbage truck guy, thug and Colonel Malice plot goes nowhere and Ishikawa flat out vanishes from a scene.

half of the film is dedicated to misdirecting you.

Wait what?

Seriously it was MEANT to misdirect you?

It's only confusing if you expect them to explain the mechanics behind the story. Which they don't because it's an action film.

>It's the same dull philosophy of what it means to be human, but they never progress beyond this question.

So true, it's fake depth that plebs/ reddit will rave about

Who the fuck was this dude?

My father was baffled by this scene.

It's not confusing. Motoko is an edgelord corporate thug who fetishises the internet, and discards her body and identity to become entirely virtual.

yes. Project 2501 (the Section 6 program designed to be used against foreign nations via stock manipulation, information gathering etc etc) got out of control and became its own thing: the Puppet Master.

whilst the Puppet Master was behind the hack on the MOFA's interpreter, the only reason for doing so is to gather the attention of Motoko Kusanagi, as the PM thinks she'll make a good person to merge with.

however, the plot focuses on the garbage truck guy, thug and Colonel Malice as if they're one of the ones behind the hack (the misdirection line is "he's just a puppet himself"). the Puppet Master only actually comes into play when it gets trapped by Section 6 in a physical body.

The movie is 22 years old, the manga is almost 30

In any case avoid the new GITS ARISE series made for millenials. It's utter trash and has nothing to do with SAC.

Yeah, never knew who he was. The film starts with a lot of politics that is just impossible to decipher.

from the films perspective that's either Malice or someone Malice is meeting with.

Malice is shown in the manga, and its that fat guy in the background. so the white haired dude is an unknown person Malice is meeting with.

dude animated weeb bladerunning knockoff waifu edition.

Naw gits is actually pretty good b film standards

You fags want to wallow in self pity watching got or arthouse shit

The fundamental premise is that humanity has a telos and that the echayon is technological

I know you dont know either word so you can back out of the conversation now

I would rather watch SAC.

Any other thoughts on it? Should I give it a try?

Your father is just dumb. The story is very well written and easy to follow for something with so much undertone.

Fuck phoneposting. Rypos everywhere

Sac is okay but is definitively two steps down from the films in terms of having an actual point

Do whatever you want though

why can't japan into telling stories?
it's like they have these really great and original ideas, but they can't express them at all.

Echayon isn't a real word.

>Sac is okay but is definitively two steps down from the films in terms of having an actual point
what the fuck are you talking about?
SAC has more of a point than the first film and is on par with the second

SAC is about a philosophical phenomenon called Stand Alone Complex
a copy that never had an original.
how can it exist? the show tells you how and why

not to mention that the 2nd season of SAC deals with the tax payers burden of refugees and political manipulation via the news and scandals.

What word was echayon supposed to be?

Eschaton

Except baudrillard was an idiot. You expect me to be inpressed by your name dropping?

Sac was pleb tier and you like it more because you are dumb

I wasnt a fan of the first season of SAC
second season is kino though

So you rate things based on how deep they are.

Alright.

>inpressed
>pleb idiot, pleb tier, dumb
impressive

Common knowledge the films are shit and SAC is the only good Gits related anime

It's spelled eschaton, faggot. nah it's overrated. Read some philosophy and this is elementary shit

Sac literally just name drops a bunch of stupid ideas and because they might as well insert the wikipedia link into the subtitles you idiots can key into the "meaning" therefore you thinj it is deeper, and also a better piece of film

Congrats. You are why got season 7 happened

I don't give a flying fuck about Game of Thrones.

Ah. Okay. Name me a more relevant piece of film in terms of your "totally deep philosophy"

9/10 chance you name some shit about internalized racism and transgender studies or "free will duuuuude"

>can't express them
You can't blame everything on the storyteller. The audience is not passive, storytelling is only possible because the audience makes an effort to understand. A small baby would obviously not understand a movie like GITS because it doesn't have the cognitive abilities to do so. Adults have no such excuse.

>ripping off Bladerunner
>First 5 minutes of Bladerunner is a floating Geisha and YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>Jap shit and noodle stands everywhere
>Japs literally ripping themselves off
The only thing BGC has in common with BR is Priss' name and band name and you and your "father" are both faggots.

Was Batou the best bro?

It's like this stuff was initially intended for another culture or something.

Yes

This is why people here dont like japanese films. They are manchildren grappling with things attempting to portray larger ideas and they cant follow them.

I bet they loved captain america civil war

Anything not sufficiently explody and its a "bad film" because they are children who cant sit still

>I always thought it was an error unique to the Major
How? They clearly reference multiple other people as having ghosts.

the films message gets corrupted because to non weebs japs are already considered robots.

Wtf did you even watch the movie?

Suppression of impulses and lengthened patience is intelligence itself

People think the film and adians are inhuman because they are like niggers and monkeys eho want to throw around balls

The idea of something more intelligent than them froghtens them. The entire focus of he movie is something that horrifies them on an onstinctual level

No wonder these fags like sac whoch has kawaii talking robots

>No wonder these fags like sac whoch has kawaii talking robots
It's true that SAC's appeal is clearly tied to its more conventional presentation, it touches on interesting concepts but the execution is unimaginative and generic. I think Innocence is much better at doing what SAC tried to do, which was to provide a comforting human viewpoint through characters like Batou and Togusa. The difference is that Innocence never slips into melodrama the way SAC does.

SAC sucks.

On top of the melodrama and kawaii, sac is a basic bitch "government is corrupt" crime thriller

The original is fucking phenomenal and is about the direction of humanity. Innocence falls short of it but looks at the horrors of industrialization and the capitalization of human souls.

Anyone who cant see the vast gap between the films and series is mentally a child who enjoys namedropping on reddit

Godfather is definitely easier to follow

Transgender studies? Lol you're the fag. Nah i just think the philosophical aspects are overrated, that's it.

Right but you cant name a better film in regards to your criticism

Which means you are a fag

I never said BGC was bad lol.

I bet you think Serial Experiments Lain is smart and profound too -_-